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mini orchard
post Dec 1 2022, 07:07 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 1 2022, 01:34 AM)
When you decided to buy medical insurance, private hospitals and doctors are happy because they will go for their paid holiday soon.

The poor will also be happy because have one less Q in govt hospitals.

Either way, is a losing payment.

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post Dec 3 2022, 06:16 AM

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QUOTE(Fantastic1218 @ Dec 2 2022, 09:51 PM)
My mum bought me 2 life insurance policy when I was 1 year old, sum insured rm15k, premium ard RM350 per annum, the policy owner is my mum. Now I'm old enough and paying the premium, couldn't claim tax deduction so wanted to do reassignment of policy.

So The Inland Revenue Board of Malayisa (IRB) has implemented a new rate for stamp duty on the assignment of life insurance policies, where IRB now assesses the stamp duty on an ad valorem rate. For my case, Rm15k sum insurred means I need to pay 1% of it RM150, 2 policy then RM300. This started since 2022,previously was fixed rate at RM10 only.

Is it worth and necessary to do the reassignment of policy? What are the consequences if I did not do the reassignment? Other than can't claim income tax, and have no rights to amend the policy.
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Leaving the stamp duty aside, I believed it is only right for the policyowner to assign it to the insured upon reaching of age, unless there are specific or personal reasons why it cant be done.

If is not done and in the event of death of policyowner, the policy will goes to his or her estate.

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post Dec 6 2022, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(RiriRuruRara @ Dec 6 2022, 10:19 PM)
Hi, I just found out you can't just show your medical card and everything will be sorted out when going to private hospital?
Would like to find out what is the process like if you are sick and need to be hospitalised or need surgery?
Is it when you are sick and going to private hospital on the way there you already need to be having the paper forms for the doctor to sign??
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1. Is the treatment covered in the policy ?
2. Any excess clause ? If the estimated treatment is less than excess clause amount, then insured have to self pay..
3. Have the insured exceeded the yearly claim limit ?

mini orchard
post Dec 12 2022, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(kumario9 @ Dec 11 2022, 04:33 PM)
Good day all,

My main concern is to get insurance + medical card for children which covers;

1. Wider coverage admission private hospitals in Malaysia.
2. Less red tape during admission - covers medical bills, etc.
3. Fast approval.
4. Covers major critical illness/cancer/etc.

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1 & 4. All insurance have it.

2 & 3. It falls back on the insured what he has stated in the declaration form.
mini orchard
post Dec 14 2022, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Dec 14 2022, 07:56 AM)
Actually why insurance companies use "agent" or "agency" way to do their business?
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Any business by itself wont achieve much sales if done alone. They need wholesalers, distributors, retailers and now online to sell.

Is also about management, cost factors and specialisation of work.

At the end, what is important is the 'last mile' connection to the consumers.
mini orchard
post Dec 15 2022, 06:43 AM

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QUOTE(johnc3 @ Dec 14 2022, 10:04 PM)
16 years ago buy greatlife education insurance for my son for yearly premium of RM2150 and this month mutual get back only RM36218. Total contribution for this 16 years RM34400. The return is less  then 0.6%, is it normal?
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There are always two sides of an insurance purchased ....

1. If insured dead anytime b4 16 years ... the beneficiary received a payout, or

2. If insured survive after 16 years .... he received the maturity value.

Which your prefer ?


mini orchard
post Dec 15 2022, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(johnc3 @ Dec 15 2022, 09:24 PM)
at least same rate as FD, 3% also enough but now less then saving acc,
seem not meet my expectation and objective
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Insurance policies are never tailored for investment returns as that was never their products objectives from day 1. Is stated in the fine print.

Selling 'investment returns' is easier than selling 'death returns' ... a marketing strategy

No any business can survive giving good returns and coverage at the same time ... no matter the planning.

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post Dec 15 2022, 11:26 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Dec 15 2022, 09:54 PM)
if SAME as FD rate,....
then it is better go for education plan offered by insurance companies....
FD got no insurance coverage for that 16 years.

some one, somewhere, some how,...premium for the insurance coverage provided for 16 years had to be paid.
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In insurance "investment", getting back the paidup premium is considered 'good' returns oredi.

Many investors in klse and unit trusts cannot reach that level. Same with property speculators.

mini orchard
post Dec 16 2022, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(joice11 @ Dec 16 2022, 02:01 PM)
how to make review? this insurance once enroll need continue pay every year, half way pull out even bigger lost. I also have education insurance fund and almost same case with johnc3, at lost now, 3 years to mutual. hopefully can get break even
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If objective is to buy a protection, then is same as buying a motor policy.

Dont need complication explaination.

Have an annual budget and treat it like an expense.

If a motorist can pay 2 to 3k for a comprehensive policy without questions, why a life policy have so much doubt ?

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Dec 16 2022, 04:49 PM
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post Dec 17 2022, 07:06 AM

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QUOTE(Cyclopes @ Dec 17 2022, 12:52 AM)
If I may say, one of the 'saving grace' of buying an (education) savings plan from an insurance company is that, other than death/maturity benefit, you get to add selected Riders such as Waiver of premium.

It basically boils down how you want to insure the risk (eg. of not having income to save  if you are incapacitated).

Some may have the skills for DIY, but otherwise check out the professionals.
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You want 'so much' from the plan for protection and at the same time expect returns for one price ?

Is like buying one, free two ?
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post Dec 17 2022, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(Cyclopes @ Dec 17 2022, 08:40 AM)
I was referring to the Risk of not achieving the goals of education savings, the primary purpose of buying an insurance product, not on the returns.

[It basically boils down how you want to insure the risk (eg. of not having income to save  if you are incapacitated).]
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From day 1, insurance is NEVER a savings plan. That was oredi the risk when insured signed on the dotted line

Is easier to sell a 'savings' plan than a 'death/tpd' plan. Insurer need another name to sell the same product.

Take that into consideration when buying future insurance.

Banks also cannot guaranteed your savings and fds ... the very good reasons why pidm came in.

Lastly, does it matter is an 'education plan' or a ' death plan' if both having the same end result ?

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Dec 17 2022, 10:23 AM
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post Dec 26 2022, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(monocat @ Dec 26 2022, 11:27 AM)
Hi Sifus

i need some advice.
Thinking to upgrade my insurance coverage, especially death, TPD and CI
here is my existing plan
>Medical
>>Annual Limit: RM 3,000,000
>>Lifetime Limit: No Limits
>death 400k,
>TPD 400k,
>CI 500K
pay about RM1k monthly , combination of PRU and GE

39 years old, non smoker, single

My question is
>total 500K for CI is enough next 30 years?
>when im in CI, medical card is still working?
>when i'm in critical illness , TPD is claimable due other reason?
>is there any plan mainly for CI and TPD? expensive? single payout or multiple payout better?
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My question is
>total 500K for CI is enough next 30 years?

If you can afford any premium amount, buy the max allowed. Limit is subjective.

>when im in CI, medical card is still working?

Should you be stricken with a CI like stroke, cancer or heart-attack, your medical plan should oredi cover your treatment costs.

But if, in addition, you want to replace your lost income as when recovering, or go for other treaments not covered by your medical plan, the CI llump sum payment helps.

>when i'm in critical illness , TPD is claimable due other reason?

Insurance coverage pays independently of each plan.

>is there any plan mainly for CI and TPD? expensive? single payout or multiple payout better?

TPD insurance is usually attached with life insurance. If you think you do not need life insurance but wantsTPD coverage, then buy minimum life insurance with TPD packaged together.

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Dec 26 2022, 02:51 PM
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post Dec 27 2022, 05:56 AM

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QUOTE(onthefly @ Dec 27 2022, 01:05 AM)
can share what is on PRU and GE? Are both plan optimized and not overlapped with each other ?
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Why cannot overlapped with each other ?

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post Dec 27 2022, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Dec 27 2022, 08:19 PM)
Usually, during the Fact Finding phase, there should be a Financial Health Check round where you go through all your commitments, expenses, your cash and assets, etc.

Was there a Financial Health Check done prior to your purchase?

I ask because your questions listed above should have been addressed during that phase, then only result in action taken, which is purchasing those policies.
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I think is only right you should address his concern (questions) instead of probing his past which can never be reversed.
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post Dec 28 2022, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(guanteik @ Dec 28 2022, 05:20 PM)
Hey Everyone,
Can anyone share with me how do I pay for Great Eastern Insurance for someone using a credit card?

I knew there are 2 ways, one is via their GE online portal for own insurance only, another is subscribe for autopay.

Thanks!
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PBe online can pay using CC or cash over the counter

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post Dec 28 2022, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Dec 28 2022, 09:05 PM)
I mean no ill intentions.
I just believe that since an FHC was not conducted then, maybe now is still a good time to get it done.
We're not about symptom management here, right?

Conducting an FHC will not only give him/her a good guidance on "how much is adequate for me?"
It will also make the next steps clear for the person.
After all, it is always a work in progress and consumers buy based on their respective needs.

Yes, we all want to make informed decisions.
So in my limited mind, it is only right that he/she revisits with the servicing agent to get it done.
Clearly there's more to be done there.

This sure beats feeling around in the dark, sourcing for answers here from just about anyone, who doesn't even know his/her last name, let alone what he/she has in mind. I don't even know his/her gender for that matter.

Just my agency practice lah.
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I believed his questions or concern are about claims procedures except for 1st Q.

Whatever policy he bought then was based on his affordability in mind and all his policies insured amount are not ordinary working class people who can pay for 12k premium a year.

If he decides to upgrade, is still not late to do another FHC which is more relevant forward looking.
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post Dec 28 2022, 09:31 PM

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QUOTE(guanteik @ Dec 28 2022, 09:19 PM)
Thanks for the reply lifebalance , Onlinemini orchard and denion

Unfortunately the only CC transaction is via eConnect and never possible with Jompay (via banking or website itself)

Thanks again!
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post Jan 4 2023, 07:27 AM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Jan 3 2023, 09:19 PM)
hi, any GE professional planner here?

my gf mom help her buy 2 policy but dont know what for. yes you rea it rite and now seems unable to trace.

any way to rectify this? only know the policy is under my gf name. what i need is the policy coverage oni. the rest will come later
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If your gf is not the policyowner, then she has to ask her mum to sort out with ge.

Named insured or policyholder is not necessary always the policyowner.

And likely her mum bought the policies when she was a minor.
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post Jan 28 2023, 08:00 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 28 2023, 03:28 AM)
There are few ways of going around it
1. One is cover until retirement then let it mature and that's it. Not to extend beyond retirement.
2. Cover until you are old (if you are rich) like 80 yo.
-for me personally I won't go this route cause if you know how to invest you can use the premium saved rather than giving the insurance company to generate growing dividends to leave something behind for your kids. A 30 years worth of premium savings can do wonder for dividend growth investing.
- I will only pick only this option for medical insurance
3. With term you can select how many years you want to cover. Some people just want to cover 5years or maybe 10 years.

You can check out
https://fi.life/

Term life can be bought online too but max coverage is like RM500k
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Life insurance policy is not an investment but a wager, similar to gambling.

Policyholder is betting on an event on the porbability it will happen.

If death and illness doesnt happen in man, insurance is not necessary.
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post Feb 1 2023, 08:18 AM

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QUOTE(soules83 @ Jan 31 2023, 10:50 PM)
upgrade vs replace. what are their difference?
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Upgrade ... continuity with certain or limited addition

Replace .... start new

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