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 The burden of privilege on the economy., By a former BNM deputy governor.

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post Jan 29 2021, 07:27 AM

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QUOTE(phantomash @ Jan 28 2021, 07:20 PM)
Good read. Very daring for the author to be publishing these hard hitting facts, that Malaysia has been paying the price for, and will continue to pay the price until the country is bankrupt.

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"There are three systems of privileges that are operating in Malaysia: race, religion and titles. "

"Let me deal with race and religion first, which by design, have fractured Malaysian society and created a system of privileges that is hard to justify"

"As it is, the privileges of race and religion have elevated mediocre minds to where they can tell the rest of society what it can and cannot do."

"It is primarily to safeguard these privileges that Malaysia has been unwilling to sign up to some very basic international conventions on human rights"

"The New Economic Policy was misguided. Instead of focusing on economic need, it decided to focus on race."

"So, in Malaysia, the definition of success is the type and number of titles attached to your name rather than the real effort you have put into achieving professional and economic success."

"It has led to sycophantic behavior among the population with frequent chanting of “Datuk, Dato Seri, Tan Sri, etc.” at any function or event. More insidiously, it has created a culture of subservience and unquestioning obedience to people with titles, even when witnessing their misdeeds and criminal acts."

"Why are politicians showered with titles when they are clearly failing in their responsibilities to the rakyat that elected them?"

"It is a common perception in Malaysia that there are two sets of rules in the country: there is a harsher set that applies to ordinary citizens and a more lenient set that applies to people with titles."

"Is it any wonder then that even with so many people with titles among us we are still climbing the rankings of global corruption charts?"

"It is unsustainable when a large class of people demand privileged access to the resources of an economy."

"Over the long term, a sustained “depopulation” by talent fleeing the country will have only one outcome – the rise of mediocrity leading to a mediocre society and mediocre economic outcomes."

"indeed, it has exacted a heavy toll on the Malaysian economy."

"We are no longer providing a vision of progress but rather trying to explain away our under-achievement."
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Time to seize the meme of production.

My non bumi brothers, this is not about meleis or cainis or yindian. This is how privileged people take advantages of us.

Many people blame the stupid melei who vote and worship corrupt leader but how to blame them? They are just poor people trying hard to meet daily needs.

If the leaders offer food stamps and donation, how can you blame them to be swayed by those things?

I am a Malay. I dont have the connections or titles. I struggle as you guys struggle. If I see a hardworking man, he is hardworking no matter his background is.

My voice is 1 of 1 millions buzzing bee and wasp. I cant do much in general term but I will do my part, little or small.

P/s: Malaysia is for Malaysian. Dont give up on the country yet. Gomen can change but we are still this country legal citizen.
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post Jan 29 2021, 07:34 AM

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QUOTE(tikaram @ Jan 28 2021, 10:08 PM)
Me read twice. You wrong again
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post Jan 29 2021, 07:35 AM

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Lol. This dude also still blind of the fact. Those 3 means nothing still.

The one and only that matters is connection. Its supercede ur religion, race and title.

Only small fries fight about those 3. Top 100 riches in Malaysia dont even care about those
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post Jan 29 2021, 07:37 AM

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QUOTE(SuperGampang @ Jan 29 2021, 07:35 AM)
Lol. This dude also still blind of the fact. Those 3 means nothing still.

The one and only that matters is connection. Its supercede ur religion, race and title.

Only small fries fight about those 3. Top 100 riches in Malaysia dont even care about those
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Race and religious is to divide us. Deswai every now and then must kacau religion and race.

The more we are divided, the more bs they can get away.
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post Jan 29 2021, 07:54 AM

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QUOTE(aldaris @ Jan 29 2021, 07:03 AM)
Well, malaysia still good for the non if u r cunning. Bumi usually r less hardworking & brainy than non. If u exploit that, u still can earn big. Then migrate elsewhere after u earn enough
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Tipoo all the way..tipoo is life
Lol.
Jk..
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post Jan 29 2021, 07:55 AM

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QUOTE(ikankering @ Jan 28 2021, 07:12 PM)
too long. nobody will read
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You're generalising.. I did and so did some others
QUOTE(SiewLee30 @ Jan 28 2021, 07:14 PM)
Need to learn history bodo
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Guess u dare tell the author this on his face?
QUOTE(Oklahoma @ Jan 29 2021, 12:21 AM)
To be fair, the rakyat did want a change in government back in 2018. That was like a start of new Malaysia.

But the Sheraton Move really jialat.

Maybe next GE can try again. Good Luck!!!
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Even without the move, the previous budget accommodated the privilege, no?
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post Jan 29 2021, 08:14 AM

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this guy sounds like a good companion for teh tarik session
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post Jan 29 2021, 08:22 AM

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QUOTE(SuperGampang @ Jan 29 2021, 07:35 AM)
Lol. This dude also still blind of the fact. Those 3 means nothing still.

The one and only that matters is connection. Its supercede ur religion, race and title.

Only small fries fight about those 3. Top 100 riches in Malaysia dont even care about those
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Connections usually lead back to titles.

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post Jan 29 2021, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(kir @ Jan 29 2021, 07:54 AM)
Tipoo all the way..tipoo is life
Lol.
Jk..
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Not tipu la, just work more by exploting the loophole

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post Jan 29 2021, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(StevenL @ Jan 29 2021, 07:55 AM)
You're generalising.. I did and so did some others
Guess u dare tell the author this on his face?

Even without the move, the previous budget accommodated the privilege, no?
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you cant change everything in 1 day.

The 2018 election was a good start, but failed spectacularly by some defectors.

Hopefully can change again 2023.

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post Jan 29 2021, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Jan 29 2021, 06:07 AM)
the purpose of ex BNM writing the opinion piece isn't to 'liberate' he is still a helang, he's not even nice helang, his name do comes up in some blogs for Shaddy dealing after all.

it's likely to solve the middle income trap issues. afterall we just a wee bit more to go to escape it. since FDI aren't coming due to instability. and the pandemic itself had pretty much kills off much incompetent business and jobs. just a wee bit more efficiency and we will get there.

like I said, we have 2 problem. inability to decide and the very low efficiency due to lack of competition. he's writing it in a style to invoke racing to make what he wants a reality. lack of competition is important because it mean we aren't efficient nor innovative. just look at all the taxi driver,mas & ktmb union, mydin owners, AP king want to reduce AP numbers, private clinic owners benci klinik 1 Malaysia. every fucuking One all asking gov to kill off their competitor rather than be efficient, innovative or whatever.

telling people what others can and cannot do also distorted the market. basically nothing an owner can do again society pressuring others not to consume their products. other than playing the stupid nationalistic racing game as well that is.

this is on top of Inefficiency due to subsidies. be it fuel, electric,water, rapid transit, trains, roads, highway. everyone of those distorted the efficiency of the market.
as for Mahathir. well he was a dictators. just like every other dictators except for LKY they traded easy life for citizens in exchange for obedience.we pretty much was fucked up even today due to it. he was really smart as he quit the oil well run dry, forcing the problem to subsequent gov who try to liberalised to solve issue he himself created only for him to took advantage of the public displeasure of liberalisation to destabilise gov after gov. heck he even destabilise his own gov 1 years ago. hes a freaking dick.

but I won't blame him for Islamisation. in fact he tried his best to preserve secularism. JAKIM is shitty but it still better than whatever PAS want. as a graduate of UIA. I won't even called it Islamisation it's not even fundemantalism it's basically hardliners arab totalitarian salafism. washed with oil money & nothing to do they export it by funding Islamic movement worldwide and PAS was a receiptance of such fund. such harsh ideology are somewhat very popular in non well of area particularly the ghetto of Paris, slums of India and jeng.jeng.jeng former siamese vessel state who then being ignore by the british afterwards being administer by liberal secularist westernise Malay who again like everyone else just let them stay poor. 

the 'old' straits Malay are still there,islamic law are rarely impose on the west coast after all. an assimilate but non muslim will never get accepted by the Taliban, i mean even me myself won't get to win their heart. during uni the way they treated me i know deep in their hearts I'm not one of them. why do you think people even malay in k/ like to make fun of wannie state?
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I’m sure anyone who has managed to work their way all the way up there is not without some form of corruption. That’s the way its done in Malaysia anyway.

However, I believe that one of the issues that the article highlighted is about how unsustainable NEP is. I’ve heard alot of stories of friends who studied in UK (sponsored by own parents), sees alot of government sponsored students studying in UK/Australia who are supposedly from rich families. Why are they there on scholarship when they are wealthy enough to get there on their own? What about the other underprivileged bumiputeras? What’s worse is, there is no such assistance for the underprivileged non-bumis.

Then comes the protest against the removal of NEP. How much is enough? If 30% bumi market share is not enough, then do you mean we need to wait until all the bumis are no longer B40, and whats left in the B40s are all the non-bumis? Do you think that’s going to happen? There will still be B40 bumis, regardless. The fact that there are more poor bumiputeras now is because there is literally 60% of you guys, and only 30%+- of us, so it definitely makes sense in terms of ratio, just like how there are more T20 bumis than T20 non-bumis. But the sad thing is, nobody bothers to make this logical comparison. Especially the uneducated masses who thinks that this is their right and their land, and if the non-bumis dont like it, we can leave.

This system is unsustainable, they can continue milking it, but do you think it will work out well in the long run? Investors are already moving elsewhere because of our policies thats creates such an uncompetitive environment. Uncompetitiveness breeds complacency, which kills innovation and motivation, which we can see it happening already. This is the result of such policies created for the majority.

We have alot of issues. There are many white elephants in the room that nobody wants to address. I believe Najib made some right decisions back then, unfortunately for him that he married a landwhale and was conned by Jho Low, otherwise things might not be so bad. Well, technically Muhyiddin can remove NEP, sign ICERD, reinstate GST, and set the course back on the right track now right now if he wanted, without anyone to contest, but he will never do it because he is a pro-Malay leader. And as much as I want to like Muhyiddin, I don’t like the ppl he sleeps with (aka PAS) and that he created a bumi only governnent.

Anyway, good insights from your part. Some parts were obvious but some parts were new to me. smile.gif

This post has been edited by borgeouisbella: Jan 29 2021, 10:02 AM
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post Jan 29 2021, 10:15 AM

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For a long time, MY is addicted to privilage... and since Jibby hand, they are also addicted to handouts... so we are going to have generations of people who are entitled AF and addicted to handouts....

So future politics will only play to these, and not for the betterment of MY. gg.com
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post Jan 29 2021, 10:43 AM

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Awesome writeup. But I fear its useless when you have people like seriosekitt3h who believes marginalizing certain groups of malaysian citizens based on race is essential in the name of "fairness". Who believes "racial/religious unity" is achieved not by fair & equitable treatment but by discriminating certain segments of population. Who believes affirmative action policies should be community based and granted to everyone in that particular community irrespective rich or poor.
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i believe that you having a hard time understanding English

Sekarang aku cuba cakap bahasa Melayu sebab kita semua boleh faham kan? Sebab apa bantuan kepada bumiputera perlu digunakan dalam satu kaum? kaum kat negara ni semua nya tinggal dalam kelompok masing masing. Masing masing ada struktur dan hierarki dalam masyarakat masing masing. Semua ada ketua masayarakat dan orang orang yang berpengaruh dalam memberi pendapat atau bantuan dalam apa saja bentuk. Sebab itu kalau Si Miskin Akun hanya ditolong oleh kerajaan, dia tidak mungkin mampu melangkah jauh disebabkan dia tiada bantuan dari dalam masayarakat dia sendiri. Sebab semua orang dalam masyarakat beliau adalah miskin. Kalau diberi bantuan kepada seluruh masyarakat yang miskin dan berada, ada kemungkianan yang berada akan membantu masyarakat dalam komuniti Si Miskin Akun dan secara langsung membantu menaikkan status keseluruhan masyarakat. Orang berada seperti Orang Kaya Ikau selalunya mempunyai kemampuan untuk mengambil pekerja untuk membayar gaji mereka. Kun faya kun, Walhal Orang Miskin Akun tidak mempunyai kemampuan ataupun kemahiran yang dimiliki oleh Orang Kaya Ikau. Golongan Fakir tidak mampu mengubah status masyarakatnya jika semua orang di dalam nya papa kedana. Hanya dengan memberi bantuan kepada semua golongan dalam satu masyarakat, mereka mampu membantu sama sendiri dalam mengubah status diri mereka. Dalam ertikata lain, dengan hanya membantu golongan miskin sahaja tidak akan dapat mengubah status dalam satu masyarakat. Golongan berada perlu dalam memberi kerjasama yang diperlukan dan ini tidak bermakna kaum berada tidak memerlukan bantuan.
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QUOTE(mitun @ Jan 28 2021, 07:16 PM)
I don’t waste time reading articles on racial equality written by non Malays. It’s the same thing repeated over and over again and it makes no difference what the nons think. Only the malay opinion matters when it comes to bringing about change.
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Very true. Sad but true...
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QUOTE(mitun @ Jan 28 2021, 07:16 PM)
I don’t waste time reading articles on racial equality written by non Malays. It’s the same thing repeated over and over again and it makes no difference what the nons think. Only the malay opinion matters when it comes to bringing about change.
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This is the honest truth. Difficult to hear but sadly still the truth.

We were once on par with countries like South Korea and Taiwan but today we are on par with countries like Vietnam.

In 30 years time, we will still be where we are today which is not much different from 30 years ago

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QUOTE(Asquith @ Jan 29 2021, 08:22 AM)
Connections usually lead back to titles.
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For most. Connections that get u title. Title only works for small fries.
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Malaysia's underlying economic and social structure is not sustainable, expect slower growth in the next 10-20 years while other countries grow higher (i.e. Thailand, Vietnam, Philippines).



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post Jan 29 2021, 07:45 PM

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QUOTE(yugimudo @ Jan 29 2021, 07:37 AM)
Race and religious is to divide us. Deswai every now and then must kacau religion and race.

The more we are divided, the more bs they can get away.
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we are the one that divide ourselves in the first place.

those politicians are just taking advantage of it.
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post Jan 29 2021, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(borgeouisbella @ Jan 29 2021, 09:57 AM)
I’m sure anyone who has managed to work their way all the way up there is not without some form of corruption. That’s the way its done in Malaysia anyway.

However, I believe that one of the issues that the article highlighted is about how unsustainable NEP is. I’ve heard alot of stories of friends who studied in UK (sponsored by own parents), sees alot of government sponsored students studying in UK/Australia who are supposedly from rich families. Why are they there on scholarship when they are wealthy enough to get there on their own? What about the other underprivileged bumiputeras? What’s worse is, there is no such assistance for the underprivileged non-bumis.

Then comes the protest against the removal of NEP. How much is enough? If 30% bumi market share is not enough, then do you mean we need to wait until all the bumis are no longer B40, and whats left in the B40s are all the non-bumis? Do you think that’s going to happen? There will still be B40 bumis, regardless. The fact that there are more poor bumiputeras now is because there is literally 60% of you guys, and only 30%+- of us, so it definitely makes sense in terms of ratio, just like how there are more T20 bumis than T20 non-bumis. But the sad thing is, nobody bothers to make this logical comparison. Especially the uneducated masses who thinks that this is their right and their land, and if the non-bumis dont like it, we can leave.

This system is unsustainable, they can continue milking it, but do you think it will work out well in the long run? Investors are already moving elsewhere because of our policies thats creates such an uncompetitive environment. Uncompetitiveness breeds complacency, which kills innovation and motivation, which we can see it happening already. This is the result of such policies created for the majority.

We have alot of issues. There are many white elephants in the room that nobody wants to address. I believe Najib made some right decisions back then, unfortunately for him that he married a landwhale and was conned by Jho Low, otherwise things might not be so bad. Well, technically Muhyiddin can remove NEP, sign ICERD, reinstate GST, and set the course back on the right track now right now if he wanted, without anyone to contest, but he will never do it because he is a pro-Malay leader. And as much as I want to like Muhyiddin, I don’t like the ppl he sleeps with (aka PAS) and that he created a bumi only governnent.

Anyway, good insights from your part. Some parts were obvious but some parts were new to me. smile.gif
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I remember reading a writing by mamakthir economic advisor. forgot what his name was sorry.

technically he argued that NEP is already a successful. in fact it far more successful than in the non community. most of bumi wealth are in the hand of M40, while most of the wealth in non community are in the hand of T20. the poor are mostly due to geographical rather than racial basically there's plenty of bumi majority area be it Kelantan, Kedah & Sabah that are poor thus skewed the B40 numbers into showcasing that bumi are poor.

I think the whole thing is a huge mess really. the social security measures we have in place for B40 is through zakat. Anwar & menteri agama did the right thing in asking for such fund to be use for nons. but public acceptance is highly problematic. zakat fund are essentially a wealth distribution social security system finance by capital gains taxes and currently it only being paid by Muslim. so Muslim might find it hard to see non get it while well off non will scream Islamisation because they don't wanna see the possibility of them paying social security taxes.

it's not so much they are blind by it. it probably due to separatism thus they don't believe in the non. and PH pretty much crashed down to due the chivunist faction trying to pull their Chinese nationalism policy on the national stage.

this country is a very centralists in nature & culture. any attempt to move it right or left would mean it would come crashing down as people reject such notions.

as for PAS. I'm not sure how they going to 'evolve' the Arab leadership are sponsoring a more 'inclusive' & modern interpretation of salafism. but if they allowed their hardcore faction to overtake their agendas like DAP did b4, PN would come crashing down.

to be fair, if we fail in our quest for efficiency, it's not like we getting bankrap or anything. more like we would continue being in the middle income trapped like most of Latin America,south Africa & Thailand. and those countries seem to have given up already. this is not the case in MY though.sucessive gov even PH had try to liberalised & reduce subsidies. so it's not much of politicians fault it's more of our own fault because we didn't want to do it. we still have a fairy tale like assumption that no personal sacrifice needed , someone else should pay the price and as long as we get the 'right' people in corridor of power. that's why sinkkie at hardwarezone just can't stop laughing at us.
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QUOTE(SiewLee30 @ Jan 28 2021, 07:14 PM)
Need to learn history bodo
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As it is, the privileges of race and religion have elevated mediocre minds to where they can tell the rest of society what it can and cannot do.

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