Is anyone heard about this project? Price looks reasonable for Bukit Bintang area. tq.

Many people heard about it already. Can see active discussion in the BBCC thread and also Sunway Belfield thread.

Any news on when's the preview?

Any update on this?

Project details and layout here. From RM 618k for 463 sf studio ~ 1.3k psf

https://www.edgeprop.my/new-launches/sale/1...ch---swnk-houze

This post has been edited by Cavatzu: May 12 2022, 11:40 AM

Psf price cheaper than Lucentia?

Bare unit with no car park … cheap or not ?

hmmmm the name.. how to pronounce wo.

machiam Shink? Swine? Stink?

Gogle has some answers...
Choose the one you like as some will never known that there is single woman/widow no kids.. :-)
https://www.abbreviations.com/SWNK

If one knows what this place was (or next to), then this phrase may be related... Saya wajib nanti ko..

This post has been edited by Jagalat: May 12 2022, 04:11 PM

macam hhhnnnngh

Lol.
but who gonna buy? macam jinx also

what was next to ? night club?

Pudu jxxl..

This post has been edited by Jagalat: May 12 2022, 04:28 PM

This name swnk keeps remind me the s.wine restaurant.

Should open one swine restaurant branch here too. swnk swine!

It’s swank. Wank with a s in front. Appropriate for people who can afford the property here 😂

Tak halal…

Ha ha ha

Small size unit not gv carpart..

Got mrt1, lrt and monorail. If tired of walking, many e-scooter can be found for you to ride around casually.

Swnk !!

BBB??

semi furnished and cheaper psf than lucentia, lower density than lucentia, nearer to transport hub than lucentia, but the facility may not be as nice as lucentia... and so far only the dual key units have better views... car park will be an issue for those die2 need a car park... lol

Already got 1 company sapu 200 units in this project, just for their employees stay.

This post has been edited by wotpian: Jun 22 2022, 06:36 PM

Wah wotpian

Very insightful.
This project is nearer to walk to the hang tuah lrt station.

Indeed, this building really near to bbcc station hub. LRT & Monorail.

I like to take monorail from here to Pavilion or around chow kit there enjoy the chilli pan mee.

Swnk house very nearby lrt hang tuah and bbcc mall

This post has been edited by rotloi: Sep 15 2022, 01:06 PM

The transit hub is very nice too. I think they are going to extend it to Merdeka MRT as well

Who need to know more Cn pm me

Developer: EcoWorld, UDA & KWSP EPF

Location: [BBCC] Bukit Bintang City Centre

Total Unit: 441 – 1 blocks

Per Floor Units: 16

Total Flooring: 30 Storey

Tenure: Leasehold

Land Title: Commercial HDA

Land Size: 19.4 Acres

Block No.: 1 Blocks

Size:
Type A 463sqft - Studio 1Bath
Type B 549sqft - 1 Bedroom 1Bath
Type C 657sqft - 1 Bedroom + 1Study (1Bath)
Type D 818sqft - 2 Bedroom (2Bath)
Type E 861sqft - Dual Key (2 Bedroom 2Bath) 1+1
Type F 1238sqft - Dual Key (3 Bedroom 3Bath) 2+1
Type G 667sqft - Studio (1 Bedroom 1Bath Duplex)
Type H 1227sqft - Dual Key (3 Bedroom 3Bath) 2+1

Maintenance: RM0.66 (included sinking fund)

Website: https://the-bbcc.com/

Yes, your buy any type?

Just went to their show gallery last weekend.

I was very (un)impressed by the salesperson. He managed to entertain me (boringly) for an hour just to talk about Maple Home and only Maple home. We have yet to see anything, the unit, house the layout, etc.

Only when I intercept then he only stop and brings us to see the show room.

Overall, like the unit and location, but the cost and the way he "ballooned" the rental profit such a way that it's very profitable is very scammy to me...

Type A

If you are planning to invest in property no matter what project, I believe number can tell everything, don't worry about how salesperson "ballooned" the rental performance. It's better to collect info from different sources or different parties, then only we make a calculation and conclusion from there. If you need any help about SWNK Houze, can welcome to drop me a message, i am also sales person in charge for this project. Let's enjoy in looking for property, cheers

The walkway to Merdeka station is already done ya. Walking from BBCC transit hub around 4 to 5 minutes. Can try it

Very interesting to see how the entire area is integrated. There’s so much history and seediness to tie together along with all the new skyscrapers.

19.4 acre for a block 441 units or partof?
Any SA can feedback?

You have a land area that was previously where renowned Pudu Jail was located. Not sure how others would see, but Chinese superstitions would (90%) definitely nah on this.

19.4 acres for whole development. Usually one block of service apartment or condominium in market nowadays only take 1.5 to 3 acres of land ya, so this 19.4 acres consists of shopping mall, office tower, service apartment, hotel and a 80 storey signature tower.

👍 Agree.
The 80 sty signature tower is resi or commercial?

How many years (est) for the whole development (as you mentioned)?

This post has been edited by jojolicia: Nov 7 2022, 10:09 AM

I can't imagine 80-storey resident tower. Imagine fire breakout, the tenants need to evacuate and walk how many minutes of steps on the staircases

Its "signature", mate.

80 storey tower consists of officer, hotel and service residences. It's the phase 3 which is last phase of this development, will be completed on 2030. Phase 2 which is currently selling will be completed on 2026.

Thanks for the info

Hi, for your information, BOMBA is the strictest department to pass in order to get a building done and obtain CCC. Fire protection system in such signature tower would be enough to slow down the fire spread and control the fire. So don't worry too much about this, it is not even the tallest building in the world. Even it happen (touchwood), i believe no people will care how many minutes and how many steps on staircase to escape and get your life safe.

An expensive high profile tower like this is not an issue as they would be playing by the rules.

I would be concerned about an ultra high dense development that has cheaped out on the build quality like the one labeled “little Hong Kong” in light of recent events where panicked crowds of people can kill themselves in narrow corridors.

Have fire break floors system there?

If any eventuality, any building even 5 stotey, just find your way down. Save yourself

This post has been edited by jojolicia: Nov 8 2022, 08:17 AM

Spot on. That my concern. High rise architecture most of the time the main point is the external design of the building. Very rare (to none) there's introduction of the innovation design for safety purposes. As long as reach minimum requirements then its good, which isn't enough.

Sorry, abit agitated but looking at it from a EHS viewpoint.

Mark my words the day of reckoning will come when a few thousand people will try to exit a venue or project simultaneously and then we’ll witness true tragedy.

I’d point out that the safety guidelines are maybe for 400 pax per acre. Beyond that I don’t know and it seems most are blasé about it anyway.

Yes, you are right. That would happen in high dense development with cheaper price and lower quality. Many people only look at the "cheap prices" but never think further what will happen on them in case any incident. However, that only apply to cheap price project ya. The 80 storey signature tower the price definitely won't be cheap, and I believe the density won't be high too, let's wait for further announcement from developer regarding the density.

Yes, for high rise building it will come with fire and smoke control system, to control fire spread and exhaust the smoke. If natural ventilation opening is not enough along the corridor, smoke exhaust system will be required, and all the staircase have pressurization system which stop the smoke from coming in. For service residences in KL, there are also sprinklers inside your unit in case fire happen.

Thanks for the info. What about fire break floor, to de-oxygen a designated floor or part-of to contain a fire from spreading to upper floors and designated refuse floors in this signature 80sty tower? By classification >40 is super highrise, 80 is double super highrise

Correct service apartment comes with sprinkle able and main entrance/yard door in 2hr fire door because its commercial title dwellings ie hotel like (fire code)

This post has been edited by jojolicia: Nov 8 2022, 07:03 PM

Fire is one thing and arguably is a better way to go rather than being crushed to death over a few hours. Where is the adequate space in corridors and stairwells when thousands of people rush in one direction. There has to be a serious rethink of safety given recent events.

There are plenty of videos on Itaewon where you could see people literally dying on screen from suffocation. If that hasn’t triggered some crowd phobia in you then I don’t know what will.

This post has been edited by Cavatzu: Nov 8 2022, 08:05 PM

Bold, for highrise instead of all people dashing downwards via the stairway, fire break and refuse floors at X-th floor is a requirement.

Problem here, fire engine access to all block within reachable parameter always in question.

They will learn from a lesson, then ade jawatankuasa khas.

This post has been edited by jojolicia: Nov 9 2022, 02:28 PM

Usually high rise building in Malaysia only have the system i mentioned ya, there will be damper which stop the fire and smoke spread to other floor. But I don't know what is the 80 storey tower fire system, as it haven't launched and haven't build, most probably the design will still change.

By the way, may I ask you where you get the classification for super high rise and double super high rise?

I see. Thanks for replying.


This post has been edited by jojolicia: Nov 10 2022, 03:06 PM

Low-rise (4sty or under)
Mid-rise (5-12 sty)
High-rise (13 above-39)
Skyscraper (unofficially some called it super high-rise) 40 above
Tower (2x super) 100 above

This post has been edited by jojolicia: Nov 10 2022, 03:34 PM

May I know where this classification come from ya? UBBL? Sorry for asking, i prefer data from valid source 😂

Building apartment complexes 50+ storeys is not common in most parts of the world fyi. So yes they are skyscrapers.

Valid source varies from country2country. You need to look specifically into its building code and national fire act code.
The true height specification from designated FEA capable (fire engine access).

IBC is just a yardstick, don't bother.

UBBL or BO, (still a laughter), i am not too sure. I was told, you can check on the latest version UBBL (black book) part VIII with the fine print <utk kegunaan jabatan bomba & penyelamat malaysia> something like that, or the Federal Fire Services Act (FSA) 1988

UBBL is more towards CP.
I am sure you have BC (building code) in Msia, right?

This post has been edited by jojolicia: Nov 10 2022, 08:48 PM

So far swnk no to hight..

I see. Alright, thanks for the info.

Yes, we have building code in Malaysia called Malaysian Standard (MS).

Buy studio 4xx sq fr or buy 1 bedroom 5xx sq ft ?

Studio need to pay MOT which is not a lot also
1 bedroom free MOT

Location wise is good because exactly above Lalaport

Can goto to my fav sek Yuen restaurant using train or walk around 15 mins

dual key unit anytime... one unit for airbnb another unit as your weekend home...

I dunno man. Investment is investment. Doubt many pantang people or generally 90% of local Chinese (anecdotal) would stay here.

only local KLian know what it was previously, outstation ppl majority dont know hence the lack of pantang feeling... my penang fren who bought there is not aware of it when he bought... lol

Fark. Penang people can be very pantang. Umm this is a case of no due diligence at all.

franky speaking, how many buyers really will do deep due d when they buy a property.. especially those who can afford luxury properties, they wont do extensive due d at all.. buy 1-2 units not really painful to them also... they just buy with interest and passion...

It’s not really due diligence. There’s a giant Papan outside Lalaport proclaiming what the site used to be - lest we forget a place of deep trauma and unrest. Just rent it out to foreigners.

This post has been edited by Cavatzu: Dec 6 2022, 03:32 PM

Younger and more modern thinking buyers with deep pockets probably care less 😂

But at this price point is either a KL commercial district weekend getaway or to be rented out to/bought by white collar execs with high income.

I didn’t know that Pudu Jail itself was built on top of an old Chinese burial ground. Double whammy. When history is buried, it doth create opportunity.

There’s plenty of “luxury” properties to buy in KL so why this one? Things are tough enough as it is, why invite negative energy into your life.

What is there to pantang ?

As long the property in prime area, ghost also we kick away if it’s blocking us to make money

Wow.... sounds like an agent hard selling ....

Most ppl including KL youngsters also don't know about the formal burial location.
Thx for bringing it up...
For those interested to know a bit, the respective wiki link is attached..chk on the early years section

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pudu_Prison...ete%20in%201895.

This post has been edited by Jagalat: Dec 6 2022, 06:15 PM

Yr penang fren should have asked for yr KL opinion prior to buying it...too late now

hahah, he also din talk about it when he wanna buy... but ok la, renting 3500 now, and he is not taking alot of loan anyway

Investment is fine. Own stay would definitely be a 😵 and for holiday home is a ❓

Very broad range of asking rental prices - the studio up to the 2 bedder can ask for 3500. Not sure where the range has landed. Obviously stigma aside, it’s very attractive.

This post has been edited by Cavatzu: Dec 6 2022, 07:30 PM

BBB

Yes, buy..

so far 2 bedder max can only fetch sub of 4k only depending on how nice your FF is... generally transacted at 3.5k... 3k and below for the studio size and also depends on the furnishing too... some just rent out at partially furnished around 2.5k - 2.7k

Second that

The site of BBCC was previously part of the infamous Pudu Prison (Penjara Pudu) which was built in the 1890s on a 10-hectare site.

Built in phases by the British colonial government between 1891 and 1895, it stood on Jalan Shaw (now Jalan Hang Tuah). The cells were small and dark, each equipped with a window only the size of a shoebox. A few months after its completion, in August 1895, a cholera outbreak struck the prison and killed a few hundred inmates.

Later, it was found that the plague was caused by the prison's water supply system, which relied on an old well belonging to the Chinese cemetery previously on the site.

An inspection by the British colonial authorities revealed that the water in the well was severely contaminated by deadly microorganisms. The water problem was not fixed until 1898.

Botak Chin, an infamous gangster who was allegedly betrayed by his own men, was executed here on 11 June 1981 for the possession of firearms.

In the 1980s Leonard Glenn Francis "Fat Leonard" spent time interned there.

In 1986 Kevin Barlow and Brian Chambers, both Australian nationals, were executed in Pudu Prison for trafficking heroin.

In 1989, Derrick Gregory, a British national was also hanged for heroin trafficking.

I wonder if buyers care about the history/stories/previous incidents of the site, despite the history/stories/incidents had been brought up couple of times.

Botak Chin not executed at a prison in a state up north? No? Or i got my history wrong

This post has been edited by jojolicia: Jan 26 2023, 03:27 PM

It matters if they were targeting affluent locals to buy who would look at such things more critically. Buyers from other states or foreigners will be ignorant of such things or not even care. Subsale market will be pretty much non existent I predict.

went to lalaport one time... and its nice... if i got the cash, i ll buy one.. its not even for my own stay.... i am from kl and i don't care if previous is prison or watever.... i don't even know my own house at 50yrs earlier is what sort of land....
but one thing.... recession may come this q3 q4... probably i ll look for lelong..

For investment and non own staying, l think the young locals who do not know the stories will not worry (unless their parents really pantang)

Investment remains to be seen. Mainlanders or Hongkies that get wind of this will stay away too. Their main bet is Japanese but so many different Japanese enclaves now.

I went to lala-pot a few times, l like the food court on the roof top. Just bought a Tealiv and sat the whole afternoon under cold aircon. Can read books/articles. Saw ppl bringing their laptops too.

As for the mall crowds, observed majority are similar to the demographics seen at BTSq or Sg Wong. Reminds me an extension of them. I could be wrong.
Only potential ong area is seen at the Al fresco dining street (opposite the walk entrance). Not all are opened/in biz.

So the crowd is all lala and lulu? That doesn’t bode well actually.

Got lala got lulu. Got families too.
Perhaps the "crowd profile" is similar to stone throw nearby malls. Suggest to take a look and compare.

It's still early. Hope to see the Al fresco dinning street to replicate the vibe seen at Pakvillain

Apart from the land being a former prison-cum-execution historical site, it is under leasehold title.

Considering how leasehold owners do not have full control of their properties, you are only allowed to transfer the ownership with permission from the state government.

The approval of the consent might take up to 6 months or one year. That could lead to a big problem when it comes to selling the properties in the future.

The property value might decline after 30 years; as compared to its value in the early years. Hence, it might be a massive loss to the owners.

Buying a second-hand leasehold property in Kuala Lumpur can also be a problem. Since the process of transferring ownerships takes up a long time, you might need to wait for about one year for it

So it’s the crowd from Sg Wang that are now grown up with kids. Admittedly I used to frequent the place for the arcades. It’s quite a generalist mall with point of differences being the Jap brands and the music hall. It has the potential to do well for f n b.

Most new high rise in prime KV land are now leasehold. It’s an inconvenience for subsale but many are not numeracy literate nowadays to work out if it’s worth their while to buy something. If the cashflow game doesn’t work then it’s game over.

For prestige property, leasehold is not a deterrent for your HK or SG buyer but then sales better act quickly when awareness is low.

hm.. tat time i went mostly families... not so many lala lulu lili lalang... but i do hope it won't end up like BTS... and now there is concert event schduled there dy... means marketing doing their job liao...
agree their street does seems need more crowds. probably need few more bistro/pubs or restaurants...

lease hold generaly 99years? i think my lifespan less than that.... i ll leave the headache to my next generation. sold one of my unit at other place... no issue. all done and money transferred in 6 months and thats due to covid delay

BBCC is a joint development between Eco World Development Group, the Urban Development Authority (UDA) and the Employees Provident Fund Board (EPF).

Aiyah, since EPF is one of the JV partners, I sure support all people to just buy buy buy.

Looking forward to higher EPF interest this year

I believe nobody wants it to be an extension of Jump-Sg nor BizTurnsSq.
It's still early. Hope the mall operator knows what to do to adjust the coast to the right direction.

Can you please share with us about your opinion that why you think recession may come this q3 q4? Interested to know about it. Thank you

sorry late reply... those generally are quoted from economics article e.g the edge paper or and also hear say on people townhall outcome... me no econ myself..