are you comparing MNC in India vs MNC in Malaysia?

Depends really. Despite the stuff ppl say about Indian programmers, its just a myth. Just like from anywhere else, there's the good ones, ,and there's the bad ones.

In general, Indian programmers can be cheaper, but do keep in mind that cheaper does not mean cheap either. Sure its cheaper than bringing in somebody from the US, but that does not mean that u can get a good one for peanuts.

It also very much depends on the nature of the work to be done as well. For example, one of my clients had paid AUD2k per day for a Oracle specialist to troubleshoot some data migration issues that they're having, but they still consider it money well spent. That AUD 14k (for 7 days work) is still far cheaper than the other proposed solutions, of which the fastest will still take up to 2 months to resolve the issue.

having said that, most indian professionals in m'sia are contracted with recruitment agencies or bound by contract terms. they could be paid peanuts although the client is paying well. the company gets the majority share, that's it.

Oh yeah, and those recruitment agencies can cost hell of a lot. There r those that can charge up to RM20k per person per month. (the figures taken from one of my clients), while the actual person gets paid substantially less than that.

You are correct. Our company recruited a Indian programmer for the specific skill thru the consultancy.The agent charged our company Rm7000 per month and my colleague was getting only Rm3000.Still the guy was not good enough to show his skills so fired la.
The same agent supply a Indian programmer to the client with the same amount. but he is a genius.(sometime he helps my clear my technical doubts without charge).simply "BODY SHOPPING".

i have had once worked with an experienced indian programmer, was being charged RM10k per month for providing .net services. he's good and helpful, we think it's cost-effective to engage this type of resource for fast-pace project with straight-forward requirement. no surprise that the indian programmer is transparent of the consultation fee that my company is paying. from my conversation with him, he seem getting < 50% of the total amount paid. well, let's minus work permit, accommodation, bonus (if any), the company is still making big bucks. sometimes, outsourcing is a very good business.

Not only MNC, the benchmark show the average salary among all the participant.

By the way, talking about indian programmer.....US is thier dream. Normally those good one already working in US.
I'm surprise that the IT department in some company in US is flood with indian instead of american....
Those come to south east asia mostly consider as second grade and they see this as thier stepping stone to US....

2100 for fresh grad is consider good lo
usually will be 1600 - 1800 only

RM7k per month is actually a pretty common charge for those 'body shops' as they're called, even when they're sending in a local person to do the job.

"body shops"?? interesting term..

off hand, working as an outsourced programmer / contract for services may give u "more" money in short time, with the drawback of limited career advancement opportunity.

Exactly, Their first aim is US.Who can make up 20000-40000 H1B visa for India out of few millions of IT guys.
There is a easy tactics is, In US there is a Indian HR consultancy, they act as a US company hiring the Indian IT guys and outsource the employees according to the client need and eventually the guys managed to getting their own future there.

some MNC would only pay 1500 for a freshie
So, u really should be thankful that u can get more than 2k per month as a freshie. By the way, don't just compare with the high pay fresh grad, they either have great result (1st class or CGPA 3.75/4), good interpersonal skills with fluent english or both. That's the reason of getting high pay.

software engineering so kesian ar nowadays ?? Habis lah me since I taking ISE course.. oh my god rm1600-2000+ enough feed myself cannot feed family de hahaha ~! How to improve from here ? Can we build our own company :? Future so dark >.<

lets revive the topic... im taking Software Engineering for my studies currently... wonder if SEs r paid with nice amount now?

A good software engineer can be many times better than an average software engineer. Hence they are being valued by their employers as such.

I was told by a professional recruitment consultant that she has client from this industry who can request for RM8000 after only 4 years of working experience.

At the other end, an average software engineer can expect as low as 5% increment per year even when working for an MNC. Not to worry though, there are plenty of options in online job hunting websites for this industry. Its common for these employees to jump ship if they're not satisfied with their increments. They can get up to 20% increment for each switch.

imho in order to get good pay as a developer, you need to be very good at what you do. in order to be good at what you do, you need to love what you do. if you love what you do, pay is really secondary

this or consider working for companies that have projects overseas..

There are too many factors that could affect the salary for Software Engineering such as skills, experience, working attitude, social networking, etc.

From the person that I know who working in MNC, their average salary are:
Fresh graduate (2nd upper or 1st class) - rm2500 ~ RM3500
2 yrs exp - at least rm3300
4 yrs exp - at least rm4500
6 yrs exp - at least rm6000

These people that I know do not have any professional certification such Java, Oracle DBA, Unix, etc. But their skills are great.

Their skills not only means programming/technical skill. They having good communication skill, positive working attitude, hardworking, friendly, etc.

I have 2 vacancies right now

Senior Java Programmer KL - 5 years OOP development exp - RM8K max
Senior IT Executive Kuantan - 6 years system and network maintenance - RM8K max

are you from recruitment agency? mind to share what is the company in KL?