QUOTE(fujkenasai @ Jan 13 2009, 03:35 PM)
Well no matter who acctually started the use of cannons, in the game M2TW if Im not mistaken I think that the mongols had the biggest guns and rocket barrage weapons, thats why I wanted to play that faction but then again they do not have a complete faction. Such as no buiding structures and stuff.

That rocket barrage weapon was origin of Chinese. But it's not like what the game shows though. It's a multiple arrows launcher. In M2TW, the thing can destroy a stone wall (I tried it) but in reality, it's just a bunch of wooden arrows with metal tips that launched against the enemies.
QUOTE(frags @ Jan 13 2009, 03:57 PM)
What feature? You mean gun powder ah? Gun powder was available in Shogun Total War late game as Dutch expeditions set up missions in Japan and introduced Arquebusiers...well not so late game...more like mid game. You couldn't use them at all in rain...which was cool

PS : The expansion pack for Shogun was Mongol Invasion...So Mongols were there in total war games way back. They didn't have the rocket siege equipment...they had some sort of exploding grenade like thing.
EDIT : Historically a mongol invasion never happened...There was historical evidence of it being planned and even wreakages of invasion fleets of the coast of Japan...Some Japanese early writing cited intervention of the divine wind to help them stop that mongol invasions...
Thus, the origin of Kamikaze appeared at that time. That grenade thing was naphta throwers (in M1TW, it was Naffatun).