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post Jan 13 2021, 05:49 PM, updated 5y ago

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i've been offered this markup loan.
i'm buying this property for own stay.

when i first heard of this idea, i loved it as i could use the zero downpayment and put that amount elsewhere.

i've also read the other threads here about this mark up loan approach and i understand it is a grey area thing.

so here's the scenario, i can afford to pay the downpayment for this property BUT i would love to use that amount to clear off existing car loan.

hence, this mark up loan with zero downpayment sounds great.
my dilemma is, will there be any issues going with this approach in the future?
anything that i should be aware of aside from the higher monthly loan repayment?
or should i just go with the regular approach with 10%-15% dp?

i'm new to this and would love to hear more opinions.
thanks


TSnugget_piece
post Jan 14 2021, 02:55 PM

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thanks for all the responses.

QUOTE(zero5177 @ Jan 13 2021, 05:53 PM)
But why would you rather use the possibly higher interest rate from housing loan to clear the lower interest rate car loan?

Even if they are close, you are digging a hole to fill another hole.

This markup should not bring much impact to your life apart from the quota your have left for other potential new loan is slightly lesser now
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potentially i would love to not dig many holes for myself aka too much commitment. that's why got the idea to clear off the car loan first.

noted on the quota.

QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Jan 13 2021, 06:04 PM)
not really much issues except u will pay more to bank. bank thanks u for that.

Other than that is will affect ur credit score since ur loan amount higher means future loans might get lower amount or rejected.
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noted

QUOTE(ParkBoGum @ Jan 13 2021, 06:12 PM)
Car loan interest is charged upfront. Meaning you won’t save any interest by paying early. Just follow the schedule and pay monthly.

If you can pay for the dp, why take up more loan with more repayments and interest?

I don’t see much benefit taking the marked up loan unless:
1. You wanted additional cash on hand as a safety net and you can pay the instalment for markup loan.
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2. Your cash will be used somewhere else (I.e business) that is expected to generate higher return than the interest charged for marked up loan

Congrats for your new home btw.
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i see. that (bolded) is true also.
i will think it through again.

thanks but not yet purchase haha
only booking and stumbled across this markup loan stuff.
so a bit dilemma

QUOTE(Zwean @ Jan 13 2021, 06:36 PM)
No issue.

Be sure to settle car loan in FULL to get the reduced interest.

Else if you follow others paying extra 100 - 200 monthly interest still the same.
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yeah, will plan to settle in full for the car.
because the car is fairly new, like 2years

QUOTE(WahBiang @ Jan 13 2021, 08:29 PM)
If your SPA is signed based on the mark up amount, how do you ensure that the seller would continue to agree with lower net price after that? Can seller force you to pay foe the higher amount instead? Separate agreement?
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yeah most likely separate agreement. probably between dev and myself. i haven't reach that SPA stage yet.

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post Jan 15 2021, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(Erictan1981 @ Jan 14 2021, 02:20 PM)
When your SPA based on markup amount. Then your MOT, stamp duty need to paid higher. I would said no advantage for markup loan, unless you need this money for other purpose. All this is future money & you have to paid interest end of the day & also monthly installment might be higher. You have to justify whether you have sufficient cash flow to roll your property. If you buying new project, then you should have 1-3 years for preparing the cash flow.
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thanks for the pointers.
i feel i really do need the money for other purposes.
that would ease my cashflow problems also (without having to pay for dp).

higher monthly installment and interest is really something.
i will keep in mind for the cashflow to roll the property.

QUOTE(adamhzm90 @ Jan 14 2021, 02:47 PM)
i vote to just take the markup amount to a point you're comfortable to pay monthly.

mortgage loan is cheap so park the money somewhere and u will might use it to renovate.
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that is a good idea to use for renovation.
the property will only be completed some time next year or the year after.

still got time to save up for reno and park the money elsewhere to get some returns.

QUOTE(Daylight2018 @ Jan 14 2021, 03:40 PM)
Think about it, if let's say your car loan take up e.g. RM1k/month
Once you pay it up, what will you do with that 'free' cashflow?
If you can be discipline and pump it into your housing loan.
It doesn't seem like a bad idea.

Alternatively, if you have other ways to invest that free cashflow.
No harm as well.
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Thank you. You are right on the free cashflow.

After I did some calculations, clearing off the car loan, frees up some cash on hand. The difference in monthly commitment between markup and non-markup loan is not that huge and can be covered by a portion of the freed up cash.

QUOTE(Matchy @ Jan 14 2021, 05:41 PM)
assuming you take 30years loan, now you have to service 30years of extra interest... (vs your car probably max 9years)
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yup that is correct.
i guess a big part of the plan is just me shifting the money from servicing a car loan to the mortgage loan.

also because i feel i won't be able to clear off the mortgage loan as fast as i could with the car loan. somehow that made me feel the extra interest from the markup loan is not that impactful. not sure if this is the correct way of thinking...


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post Jan 15 2021, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(digitalz @ Jan 14 2021, 05:45 PM)
So assuming there is marked up loan. The higher price will be sent for stamping etc?

Let's say IF there is no waiver of the stamp duties, fees etc, how much more will you be paying? Similarly, when you are selling the property, won't it affect your sale next time?
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According to my understanding and from what they have told me, the SPA should reflect the mark up price.

as for the other details, you may refer to post #14 (right below your post)

QUOTE(JonathanIB @ Jan 14 2021, 08:44 PM)
Good: No downpayment, RPGT might be dont have or lower in coming future

Bad: Higher loan and higher monthly repayment. May need to pay abit more in legal fee to cover the higher SPA price
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may I ask if this is common practice in property purchase these days? because is my first time heard of such thing.

and had to do a lot of digging to even know how it roughly works.



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post Jan 20 2021, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(LeonL @ Jan 20 2021, 06:46 PM)
i think to answer this conclusively, u need to model the scenario in spreadsheet
why not just model ur scenario n plug in the actual numbers and use variables in ur formulas, so that u model different scenarios
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that's a good idea.
thanks

indeed, the overall scenario has a lot of variables.



 

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