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post Jan 8 2021, 12:29 PM, updated 5y ago

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Is public consensus important?
When you buy a stock that is very unpopular and it doesn't go up for a long time, so what will you do?

How to predict a company's profitability? We all knew that the annual reports we studied are based on past performance, so how do we know that the company's profit will improve again?
Can we believe the prospect written in the annual report?

When will the stock prices rise? After announcing a new high record profit?

This post has been edited by Pohziliang96: Jan 8 2021, 12:31 PM
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post Jan 8 2021, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(Pohziliang96 @ Jan 8 2021, 12:29 PM)
Is public consensus important?
When you buy a stock that is very unpopular and it doesn't go up for a long time, so what will you do?

How to predict a company's profitability? We all knew that the annual reports we studied are based on past performance, so how do we know that the company's profit will improve again?
Can we believe the prospect written in the annual report?

When will the stock prices rise? After announcing a new high record profit?
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just one indicator, may not work at all.

u like risk and easy money, go forex better.

bursa slow unless you really aim & gamble.
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post Jan 8 2021, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(waghyu @ Jan 8 2021, 12:40 PM)
just one indicator, may not work at all.

u like risk and easy money, go forex better.

bursa slow unless you really aim & gamble.
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What you meant is there are other factors affecting the stock prices is it


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post Jan 8 2021, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(Pohziliang96 @ Jan 8 2021, 01:06 PM)
What you meant is there are other factors affecting the stock prices is it
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Bursa very manipulative, difficult to make money.

I prefer forex.
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post Jan 8 2021, 01:24 PM

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greyPJ
post Jan 8 2021, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(waghyu @ Jan 8 2021, 01:12 PM)
Bursa very manipulative, difficult to make money.

I prefer forex.
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forex is no different to gambling.
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post Jan 8 2021, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(greyPJ @ Jan 8 2021, 01:34 PM)
forex is no different to gambling.
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Ya
Stocks are more suitable for me

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post Jan 8 2021, 01:51 PM

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Value investing works.
But how you derive the intrinsic value to determine if something is undervalued, that's whee the debate starts.

In the current environment of low interest rates and the flood of money in the market, it is harder to find undervalued companies.
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post Jan 8 2021, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(greyPJ @ Jan 8 2021, 01:34 PM)
forex is no different to gambling.
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Forex is gambling and a way to grow money. Join the 12% group who make money.

Life is a gamble anyway.

QUOTE(Pohziliang96 @ Jan 8 2021, 01:50 PM)
Ya
Stocks are more suitable for me
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Great.
theberry
post Jan 8 2021, 02:24 PM

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Dah Banyak cakap value investing is u buy bank and uninstall app
10 years later look back
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post Jan 8 2021, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(theberry @ Jan 8 2021, 02:24 PM)
Dah Banyak cakap value investing is u buy bank and uninstall app
10 years later look back
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Lol one year maximum 7-15% only
Tak cukup
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post Jan 8 2021, 02:31 PM

OK!
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QUOTE(xnxx @ Jan 8 2021, 02:29 PM)
Lol one year maximum 7-15% only
Tak cukup
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High risk high return
Then all bitcoin
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post Jan 8 2021, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(waghyu @ Jan 8 2021, 01:12 PM)
Bursa very manipulative, difficult to make money.

I prefer forex.
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Rubbish stock confirm very manipulative tongue.gif
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post Jan 8 2021, 02:44 PM

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if got people can tel you the answer then everybody millionaires liao not becoming stock guru sell courses.
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post Jan 8 2021, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Jan 8 2021, 02:44 PM)
if got people can tel you the answer then everybody millionaires liao not becoming stock guru sell courses.
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OMG 😂 Instead of they buy themselves, they get money from you, and you buy at your own luck
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post Jan 8 2021, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(theberry @ Jan 8 2021, 02:24 PM)
Dah Banyak cakap value investing is u buy bank and uninstall app
10 years later look back
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this.

abmb, pbb, hlb very good.

look back 8 years later, sell before 2030 crash. buy when pbb dip to 12.

rinse n repeat.
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post Jan 8 2021, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(Pohziliang96 @ Jan 8 2021, 12:29 PM)
Is public consensus important?
When you buy a stock that is very unpopular and it doesn't go up for a long time, so what will you do?

How to predict a company's profitability? We all knew that the annual reports we studied are based on past performance, so how do we know that the company's profit will improve again?
Can we believe the prospect written in the annual report?

When will the stock prices rise? After announcing a new high record profit?
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That’s why you need to have a certain knowledge about the industry.

I was an engineer working in Nokia R&D and Continental ADAS R&D before. This helped me in evaluating tech and automotive sectors as I have closely worked with the manufacturing, suppliers etc and know the ins and outs of the underlying business.
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post Jan 8 2021, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(kelvinlym @ Jan 8 2021, 04:15 PM)
That’s why you need to have a certain knowledge about the industry.

I was an engineer working in Nokia R&D and Continental ADAS R&D before. This helped me in evaluating tech and automotive sectors as I have closely worked with the manufacturing, suppliers etc and know the ins and outs of the underlying business.
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Agreed with you
Insiders will have deeper knowledge than the average investor.
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QUOTE(Lfearlessly @ Jan 8 2021, 02:33 PM)
Rubbish stock confirm very manipulative  tongue.gif
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Most stock rubbish, only few can keep for profit, the rest buy for charity.
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post Jan 8 2021, 08:01 PM

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QUOTE(hhsmax @ Jan 8 2021, 02:47 PM)
OMG 😂 Instead of they buy themselves, they get money from you, and you buy at your own luck
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That’s exactly how their business work. If a stock education company gets listed publicly I’m gonna bet my money on it 😂
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post Jan 8 2021, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(Kar Weng @ Jan 8 2021, 08:01 PM)
That’s exactly how their business work. If a stock education company gets listed publicly I’m gonna bet my money on it 😂
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https://www.investing.com/equities/digimatic-group-ltd
Here's one started at 20AUD, now 2AUD
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post Jan 9 2021, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(HereToLearn @ Jan 8 2021, 08:16 PM)
https://www.investing.com/equities/digimatic-group-ltd
Here's one started at 20AUD, now 2AUD
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How to c[r]ash in stock market
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post Jan 9 2021, 11:14 PM

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I'm not adept at calculating intrinsic values, so I buy when price is quite cheap, like Genting & PBBank in Sep 2020. It worked for me this way. Not sure about others who used discounted cashflow analysis, or other earnings forecast calculation.

1. Public consensus is important to roughly know the market emotions. But if one buys & hold 5 years, it isn't important.

2. Why did I buy an unpopular stock in first place? What is so attractive about it? Can its share price increase within the expected timeline? If the company's story is intact, why sell if it hasn't achieved its potential yet? Unless you need to switch to better counters or urgently need money or realise it's a mistake, why sell?

3. To predict company profitability, one must have a lot of info, whether insider info, or sifu tips, forum discussion, or own stock research. To illustrate, glove stocks share prices rocketed from June-Aug bcause big funds know that ASPs have increased substantially, & knowing that other companies financial performance would suffer during MCO, they shifted their funds from Covid affected stocks to Covid beneficiary stocks.

4. On annual reports' reliability, it really depends on the company's integrity. Some companies repeat every year in their AR that they'll do their best to improve, but nothing done.

5. General rule is when companies announce new record high profits, share price will hit ATH soon. But sometimes there are other factors which affects the share price. Glove stocks which announced new record high profits, the stock prices plunged after that, along with ESG concerns.
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post Jan 9 2021, 11:34 PM

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I'm not adept at calculating intrinsic values, so I buy when price is quite cheap, like Genting & PBBank in Sep 2020. It worked for me this way. Not sure about others who used discounted cashflow analysis, or other earnings forecast calculation.

1. Public consensus is important to roughly know the market emotions. But if one buys & hold 5 years, it isn't important.

2. Why did I buy an unpopular stock in first place? What is so attractive about it? Can its share price increase within the expected timeline? If the company's story is intact, why sell if it hasn't achieved its potential yet? Unless you need to switch to better counters or urgently need money or realise it's a mistake, why sell?

3. To predict company profitability, one must have a lot of info, whether insider info, or sifu tips, forum discussion, or own stock research. To illustrate, glove stocks share prices rocketed from June-Aug bcause big funds know that ASPs have increased substantially, & knowing that other companies financial performance would suffer during MCO, they shifted their funds from Covid affected stocks to Covid beneficiary stocks.

4. On annual reports' reliability, it really depends on the company's integrity. Some companies repeat every year in their AR that they'll do their best to improve, but nothing done.

5. General rule is when companies announce new record high profits, share price will hit ATH soon. But sometimes there are other factors which affects the share price. Glove stocks which announced new record high profits, the stock prices plunged after that, along with ESG concerns.
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post Jan 10 2021, 01:02 PM

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Dollar cost averaging would be another alternative.

or else you could try cryptocurrency. wink.gif

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