Anyone experiences that your potential new employer asking "May We Contact Your Current / Previous Employer?"?
Instead the HR insisted to reach superiors / bosses / top management who may provide more detailed info than my colleagues aka friends/buddies.

as my case, the head of department offered a position to me as confirmed for employment yesterday and any HR related issues can deal with him only.
Out of sudden, someone titled "HR & Admin" requesting for more details and expecting for the of contacts current / previous employers.

after some thoughts, I decided open book instead as thinking transparency to new employer, list down all my previous and current bosses no matter had conflicts before or not and highlight the reasons for previous resignation, eg: staff welfare, poor sales performance, different thoughts/mindset, etc.

However regret that I hostile purposely to current boss for the past few months as I planned to propose for early release during tender resignation for allowing me to join the new company soonest. Unsure what my current boss will feedback to the HR today.

bcos my boss have "cost-cutting" approach, eg: move to smaller office size for rental saving, management retrench some staff and closing down offices.
thought the early release will "help" the company for some saving, on top of that I sitting duck in office doing nothing too and enough spare times to play games in office as too boring. so I rather join the new company early for new works without wasting precious time for nothing.

in fact, my boss mentioned that my paid is at the high side of the market rate as my position but still retaining me. True enough, no increment and little incentive (upon request only) for the past recent years. Hence, retrenchment and cost-cutting approaches (happened before MCO), sound like hinting I getting irrelevant to the current company anymore. but still unsure what my boss commented about me, unsure how the HR generate the report and still puzzled for employment letter even though head of department confirmed to take me.

but i understood where the new employer come from, 2 interview conducts, questionnaires filled for better understanding on my previous working performances & attitudes which spent me 1 whole day to puzzle out all my memories and experiences in paper and almost giving up for submission since HR asking for more references' contacts, that HR contacted my current and ex colleague but unsure any of my superiors contacted or not as I didn't inform up-front about the phone call interview from my new employer. but still i open book and honest to that HR for the reasons of resignation, eg: staff welfare, poor sales performance, irrelevant assigned jobs, etc which leaded conflicts with my boss and no expecting for good comments.

This post has been edited by gkl83: Jan 7 2021, 11:04 AM

my major issue is, company going downhill and downsizing and I cant perform with my full strengths.
If I cant perform as their expectation, they can terminate me during the probation anyhow.

anyhow, I just received a call from head of department.
They no going to proceed for my confirmation due to negative comments from my contacts.

Unsure why my boss want to retain me back but I no longer have the passion to work for the company.
but still I pursue with head of department that their HR should no judge the people from one side comments only.

WTF, I received my previous boss phone call just now. He is one of the references provided to the HR.
He said that someone called him for phone interview about me and asked why looking for new jobs.
He mentioned that his current company have some staff resigned and "see how". I felt like sabotaged purposely.

This post has been edited by gkl83: Jan 7 2021, 01:25 PM

just simply the roles for engineering and implementation of projects. not holding any "manager" titles.

If the inputs of referral are highly important to evaluate the staff performance attitude, so what the purposes of probation period? The employer should evaluate the staff during probation period for actual performance, different people have different kind of view to judge how good or bad they are.

I tired to pursue with the head of department that HR or their system should not judge the quality of candidates from one side comments or they can terminate me within 24hours during probation period if I failed to fulfills my JD or poor working attitude.

I do inform upfront to HR the reasons of resignation along bosses contact and claimed that no expecting no good review from some bosses. I expecting HR can compile along with my comments rather than steer by my previous bosses for either YES or NO only. At least understand "Why he said YES" and "Why he said NO".

But no luck. My company business went downhill, hopeless on his commitment, bad EQ raised for argument and conflicts as the sake of company benefits and my future. If he HR define all bosses in this world are always RIGHT, i cant do anything.

This post has been edited by gkl83: Jan 8 2021, 01:37 PM

I have no ideas for this why they asked for my bosses contact. however I do highlight to HR in advance that i no expecting good review for them.

I conflicting with my current boss as he failed to commit for business expansion, he facing problems on his on-going projects too, how happy can i if under his management my previous boss due to staff welfare, unfriendly working environment, I left and join other companies and be his direct competitors, caused him lost some sales business. So how I can get a good recommendation as the reasons above. But still the HR submit the review reports exactly what they said.

till now the head of dept never get back to me.
I guess is gone cases just bcos of current & ex employer's review.

This post has been edited by gkl83: Jan 9 2021, 03:54 PM

the HR insisted my current and ex superior's contacts as their system requirement even though I provided a list of contact from my business partner, voluntary society, my current and ex colleagues.

I guess, the company looking for good ATTITUDE employee. The head of department keep expressing I look good with attitudes and impressed the top & another teammates during interviews, keep informing me that he want to take me and preparing for offer letter.

As their point of view,
Attitudes more priority than talents, skills and experiences.

I do have the company email of the top as the invitation link sent for interview.
But i doesn't feel comfortable now even they reconsider me back since their system are so rigid. i doubt the head of dept dare to challenge their system for my case.

This post has been edited by gkl83: Jan 9 2021, 04:28 PM

He claimed that the system show all the references that I provided are no positive nor neutral, current employer contact is a MUST.
But one of my ex colleague that contacted by HR and he appraised my work performance. He told me no worry to getting that job as he did his part.

After a phone call from head of dept, i text him immediately and explained should not hear one-side comments only, confessed upfront for not expecting good review from my employers and requested to reconsider for my application from there.

I guess no suitable to pursue further if he cant against the system
Maybe they expecting "prefect" employee with both good attitude and working performance.

If there is such "prefect" employee, u think the current employer will let other new employers to hire them?

This post has been edited by gkl83: Jan 9 2021, 05:00 PM

u r lucky that u still have a superior as your references who still can treat you as friends.

For my case, I don't have any superior to report for the past 10 years.
Either report to CEO and country manager, direct conflict occurred without middle man involved...