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 Mandatory Covid-19 vaccination Yes or No

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TSJustin.Loong
post Jan 5 2021, 12:24 PM, updated 5y ago

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I confess at this stage I lean more towards yes.

But in recent days I’ve heard from quite a few of my friends who’ve argued for no (and my friends aren’t anti-vaxxers!).
So I thought it may be good to look at both sides.

The Yes position seems pretty straightforward. This Covid-19 virus has wreaked absolute havoc throughout the country and the world; people have died, lost their jobs, suffered permanent respiratory problems and so on.

Why shouldn’t the government force everyone to get vaccinated? With every vaccine roll-out, the number of potential infections drop, the number of potential deaths fall and the healthcare system (not to mention the economy!) gets a chance to recover.

If you don’t require everyone to get the vaccine, then aren’t we condemning certain families and communities into needless "bubbles" of Covid-19 terror.

The country makes it mandatory to vaccinate babies and children against all kinds of diseases (Hepatitis B, tuberculosis, etc.) so why the hesitation when it comes to a vaccine against a virus which has caused so much trauma around the world? Isn’t this a no-brainer?


Well, not quite.

The people who say no — those I’ve spoken to and communicated with on social media — think differently.
They express concern about the safety of these vaccines which they feel have been rushed out of Western and Chinese (and Russian?) labs.

We all know that such vaccines usually take many years and tests before they are deemed safe to use, but somehow for Covid-19 it came out so fast?

And what about the side-effects? How sure are we that there will be none? Sure, the Pfizer and Moderna trials "sound" safe in the news but, hey, these are research procedures done by profit-making companies, so shouldn’t we be concerned about the bias involved?

Isn’t it better to give people the option to wait, observe the results over time, be sure about the long-term effects, then choose to take or not take the vaccine?
Because, will the government pay for my treatment should I have an allergic reaction to the vaccine or what-not?

Which brings me to the objection from the principle of libertarianism i.e. people simply shouldn’t be forced to take medication without their consent. Isn’t it “my body” after all? End of story.


I suppose a rejoinder to the above is wouldn’t the No position effectively be an anti-vaxxer one? To which the No folks say, "Not at all."

We simply can’t compare the Covid-19 vaccines to all the other vaccines which have been around for years if not decades, hence our general assurance about their long-term effects.

Personally, I am not a medical expert and I’m not in government so I’d rather reserve judgment.

After listening to the No position, my non-medical opinion remains Yes. We should make the vaccine mandatory while strictly monitoring the process and honestly disseminating information should there be serious side-effects or whatever.

It might help if a longer time frame is given so people who are hesitant to take the vaccine are given a year or more to "wait and see."


But I agree with the No folks that it should at least be discussed and that this is not an easy decision.
Then again, these aren’t easy times at all, are they?

*This is the personal opinion of the columnist.
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post Jan 5 2021, 12:32 PM

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yes please

im tired of this lockdown/procedures.
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post Jan 5 2021, 12:46 PM

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Vaccine issue is not just a health policy issue, it is also a financial issue. Due to cost, Malaysia so far has not embarked on a 100% vaccination approach so there will be a group of people who will not be vaccinated unless they are willing to pay for it. So for those who are worried about the safety, obviously they should be able to choose to not be vaccinated unless they are under special circumstances. The special circumstances that will require you to be vaccinated I think will be in health industry, which you are facing a choice of high risk of being infected or be the first to use a new vaccine, so unless you quit job otherwise it is a tough choice either way and government will probably just force the vaccine on you. Another special circumstance will be if you want to travel oversea to a country which has embarked on mass vaccination, pretty sure that country would not want a foreign visitor wasting their effort by bring in virus into their country again.

So only if you are not in health industry, nor plan to travel oversea, that you will have a choice. Otherwise you have no choice but to do it.

Also, a mass vaccination approach main objective is try to bring covid under control much as MCO is, the goal is to expect very low number of local cases after that is done. So the vaccination processes need to be carried out quite quickly so that at a certain period when the vaccine is most effective, majority of the local populations are immune in order to stop the spread more effectively. It should not be drag too long such as a few years to vaccinate people because the vaccine itself is expected to be most effective for months only.

Over the long term, it is not sure how often people need to be re-vaccinated again. It all depends on whether covid will seemingly disappear after most of the world is vaccinated, or it becomes a recurrent outbreak from time to time. The first mass vaccination in a way is a grand test to study the effect, and hopefully achieve the most positive outcome ie truly eradicate covid to almost non-existent.

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post Jan 5 2021, 12:49 PM

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Since this isn't Kopitiam,

I'm in the position of having some worry with the vaccines being developed in a short time span. I don't mind taking the vaccine myself since I'm still young and somewhat fit, but I worry what effects it would have on older people like my parents.
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post Jan 5 2021, 12:53 PM

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No. Any attempt to do so will be met with violent and deadly repercussions from me. I will kill those who try to force vaccinate me.
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post Jan 5 2021, 01:57 PM

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AFAIK

Vaccine cannot be given to pregnant and children below 16. So those criteria alone made COVID19 non-mandatory.

The vaccine also does not prevent someone to get the virus and become contagious, so there is chance people still can spread the virus after vaccination.

The vaccine will reduce the effect of the virus, preventing serious implication, illness and death.

So what our DG had in mind is what I agree too.

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“It does not mean that after you are injected or vaccinated, you can travel anywhere. No!” said Dr Noor Hisham at the ministry’s press conference here Monday (Jan 4).
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“Frontliners and healthcare workers will certainly be our priority. After that, it will be those who have comorbidities.

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2021...-says-health-dg
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post Jan 5 2021, 02:16 PM

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There are those who are allergic to vaccination.
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post Jan 5 2021, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(reed90 @ Jan 5 2021, 12:32 PM)
yes please

im tired of this lockdown/procedures.
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But...but...but we might not all get the shots right? sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Quantum Geist @ Jan 5 2021, 12:49 PM)
Since this isn't Kopitiam,

I'm in the position of having some worry with the vaccines being developed in a short time span. I don't mind taking the vaccine myself since I'm still young and somewhat fit, but I worry what effects it would have on older people like my parents.
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Also, we're not sure what are the long-term effects if any. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(jbcoder @ Jan 5 2021, 12:53 PM)
No. Any attempt to do so will be met with violent and deadly repercussions from me. I will kill those who try to force vaccinate me.
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Hopefully, it doesn't come to this stage la. shakehead.gif
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post Jan 5 2021, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(jbcoder @ Jan 5 2021, 12:53 PM)
No. Any attempt to do so will be met with violent and deadly repercussions from me. I will kill those who try to force vaccinate me.
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There won’t be forced vaccination because you’re not living in China

Even WHO is against country which are doing forced vaccination

If it’s a single then will be easier to forced vaccination rclxms.gif
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post Jan 5 2021, 08:07 PM

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Definitely no. I am sure there are other cheaper and safer solution. BTW, most Malaysian cases are ASYMPTOMATIC or MILD. Why risk ourselves; let others be the front-liner.
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post Jan 5 2021, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(reed90 @ Jan 5 2021, 12:32 PM)
yes please

im tired of this lockdown/procedures.
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Malaysia is likely to open up soon irregardless. Malaysia has much lower density compared with many parts of the World. Much lower cases per million population THAN AVERAGE.


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post Jan 5 2021, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(reed90 @ Jan 5 2021, 12:32 PM)
yes please

im tired of this lockdown/procedures.
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Cucuk ady oso need wear masks n follow sop, until pandemic really over.
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post Jan 5 2021, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(sooooloooong @ Jan 5 2021, 08:07 PM)
Definitely no. I am sure there are other cheaper and safer solution. BTW, most Malaysian cases are ASYMPTOMATIC or MILD. Why risk ourselves; let others be the front-liner.
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Frontlines may require. But x law 2 force it upon d rest of us. But then if v r x sick / anything why need 2 b vaccinated? X everyone take 2 vaccine nicely. Those with allergies, various medical conditions taking medications may x b suitable candidates.
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QUOTE(TiramisuCoffee @ Jan 5 2021, 08:30 PM)
Cucuk ady oso need wear masks n follow sop, until pandemic really over.
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At least travelling will be allowed, either thru green bubble or vaccine jabbers
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post Jan 5 2021, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(reed90 @ Jan 5 2021, 08:36 PM)
At least travelling will be allowed, either thru green bubble or vaccine jabbers
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Locally ady allowed.

My concern is international travel. V knoe there r different strains across d globe. V might b infected with another variant when v travel! Now d virus ady mutated to covid20, soon covid21... does that mean v hv 2 keep taking d jabs forever ?! doh.gif
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post Jan 5 2021, 08:45 PM

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Definitely no. We dont know what are the side effects of the vaccine.

Wait few months later, news come out the vaccine cause this & that issue and have to take other meds to counter the side effects. As with any new meds, there will be issues.

Already got people die shortly after taking the vaccine.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/202...ine-report/amp/

Let others be the guinea pig test out the vaccine.

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post Jan 5 2021, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(sooooloooong @ Jan 5 2021, 08:29 PM)
Malaysia is likely to open up soon irregardless. Malaysia has much lower density compared with many parts of the World. Much lower cases per million population THAN AVERAGE.
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Question is it worth investing billions annually (covid keep mutating, vacinnation is x 1x thing) to tackle the 1% mortality. Food for tot.
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QUOTE(TiramisuCoffee @ Jan 5 2021, 08:42 PM)
Locally ady allowed.

My concern is international travel. V knoe there r different strains across d globe. V might b infected with another variant when v travel! Now d virus ady mutated to covid20, soon covid21... does that mean v hv 2 keep taking d jabs forever ?!  doh.gif
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I'm sure the researchers / medical experts have already taken into account that possibility.

Without the vaccine, we'll be in limbo forever.

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