welcome...

ur meals suck !!
No breakfast, you can forget about lifting for the day.

And what kinda preworkout meal is that ??
Need more protein & carbs.

Your Post workout meal is terrible too.
What is milo fuze? It's oatmeal isn't it? Oats = Low GI.
Post workout, you want the nutrients to get absorbed as fast as possible.
Opt for High GI carbs. Like Rice for example.

Don't understand what i'm saying? Google for Glycemic Index.

Cheers.

This post has been edited by King83: Aug 20 2007, 07:18 PM

i didn't mean to critisize u, i'm sure u're aware of that.
just pointing out the importance of proper nutrition.

General Rule,
PreWO, u want low GI... cos low GI gets released to your body at a stable rate,
giving you and sustaining energy when you workout.

PostWO, u want High GI. For reasons i already stated on my first post.


Nice post by Jones, i didn't know that about skipping bfast.
But for me, taking carbs for bfast and throughout a workout day is necessary
to equip ur body with enough glycogen (energy). Without it, your workout will suck.
And when your workout suck, your gains will suck too no matter how good your post workout is.

one more thing...
i realized you eat like a girl.

I hope you realized in order for muscle to grow, you must eat.
No program can make you grow if you simply won't eat.

Don't mind me being cranky, low carb diet can do that to you, hence the avatar.
If you found my post to be offensive in any way, i apologize.

I'm not the best candidate to offer you my meal examples,
maybe Jones can help you. He's more Pro.

WHAT THE FARK ??
Syd, kawan you ?

you should ask me that.
I have a Phd in getting fat.
.... and that is an understatement.

poundages means jackshit...
if you're a true bber, strength is not your mail goal.
muscle contraction is what you need.

you're a hard gainer, what are you worrying ?
and what did i tell u bout newbie gains? so fast forget dy ?

you meals still kinda stink, no offense.

What's ur obsession with fried eggs? go for hard boil, taruh kicap kan sedap ?
your pre workout still needs some major change. Not enough protein and carbs.
Can't you take something like brown rice + chicken ? Milk is ok, but not optimal.

your "after w/o meal" a.k.a post workout meal is bad...
too much fats and sugar (what you don't need). Need more protein.

and your late night meal, sausages and fish fillet is err...
try to go all natural, eat stuffs like chicken breast or beef, fish...
avoid processed food like sausages, fish fillet, nuggets etc if possible.

and can you list down the time you take these stuff ? kthanksbye.

Let's not force people to go whey unless they wanted to themself.
There are lotsa great bbers that don't do whey.
and since he is not taking whey, i think it's important that his pwo, he take white rice?
to spike up his insulin rather than taking bread WITH BUTTER (fat slows down absorbtion).

don't u think ?

and you're right about taking more greens..
if emran is planning to stick to that diet, i think you need to supplement your diet
with multi vitamins. Healthy muscles are growing muscles.

Hey..... she's my nutrition guru there...
what did i tell you about her ??

If you're wasting people's time like that and don't have intentions to learn from others,
i don't think i even wanna post in your journal anymore.

at least have the courtesy to apologize mannnn

ungrateful bus3rd....
ah well...

you know how much time i spent talking to him on msn?
now he says something like this...

kacang lupakan kulit....

Dude, it's 200 pages long.

i don't waste time in the loo,
it's only 2 minutes and i'm out.


I dunno bout u guys lah... but i realized most of you stress too much on programs.
You blame everything on the program. E.g. people not growing etc bcos they screw the program bla bla bla...
but to me, i am more concerned with the nutrition side. Yes, training is important, but only to a certain extent.
and i can assure you, ALL of us here in H&F are trainning our butts off, so trainning isn't a factor here whenever we're not progressing. Nutrition is the key... in fact, nutrition HAS A LOT TO DO with whether or not we progress and grow.
I don't know what you think lah, but it's just how i see it. It's not so much on the program.

This post has been edited by King83: Aug 23 2007, 10:10 AM

i edited my previous post

something i don't understand up till this day...

1. why do u keep saying i screw the program?
2. when have i ever said i'm not gaining ? (i always boast bout my lats, it's u guys who thinks it's nothing)

Jones, as a friend i wanna congratulate you on ur insane lats progress.
But just because you reap leap and bounds, does not mean i am not progressing (cos we're doing same program).
To me, the reason your lats looks so freaking insane is because of your small waist, a.k.a illusion.

We are of different Body types... i'm fat. I have a 36" waist but i still managed a V-Taper.
My lats doesn't stand out cos of my waist. Which is why i am cutting now, trying to get my pants size down to 34.
Trust me buddy, if seeing u this big whereas i'm still not progressing, i would have hit myself with a brick.
The reason i'm cool with it is because i know i am growing. Just at a slightly different rate. And it's illusion.

Yeah, i'm cool... we're just talking.

btw, i do 8s after triples... what made u think i was doing 10?
but you're right about me not following the exact % increment.
mainly due to me not having microplates.... many a times, i was supposed to
lift e.g. 61.7kg.... but i'd go "what the heck, let's just do 62.5kg.
It's either equal or higher, never lower. And i don't see any reason why
this would affect anything as if my body would noticed a few grams of difference.

and i don't want people to misinterpret what i say (like they always do).
I was not insulting you by saying "it's illusion"... But that is the fact, small waist
does make lats to appear bigger. And if it's anything, i envy u cos of that illusion.
It's something i would want too, i am cutting right now.

36" is my hip size, the place where i put my pants on, just below that flab of fats.
You wanna talk about belly button (i have a lot of fats on my love handles), it'll
probably measure up to 40... maybe 41".

everybody is different lah bro...
everyone grows at different rates.

we cannot compare gains like that.
when i said you are genetically gifted, i meant it in comparison to me.
There's lotsa things to take into consideration,
maybe it's ur training, maybe it's ur diet... or maybe it's just ur genes, i wouldn't know.

but no doubt you're working hard... nothing comes easy else there'll be lotsa big mofos walking around

edit: we srsly need a chat thread

This post has been edited by King83: Aug 23 2007, 11:23 AM

hey, what happened to this kid?
no more news dy?

Jones punya sis @.@