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post Aug 22 2021, 03:38 PM

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Do u guys really give a shxt about ssd write cycle?

today my colleague keeps bugging me about this
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post Aug 22 2021, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Aug 22 2021, 02:16 PM)
there are things that can cause slow performance of ssd, e.g., 4k misalignment due to cloning, bad cable, bad sata port, driver issue, bios misconfiguration, etc.

for now, you can use adata ssd toolbox to check health status of the drive, and run as ssd benchmark to see if the 4k alignment is good.

for rma of the ssd, you might wanna contact adata at fb, https://www.facebook.com/AdataMalaysia/ to get more information about the process.
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Thanks for your advice. I managed to get optimal speed on another newer laptop, done diskpart clean-up and fresh Windows installation...

When free gonna retry again on the older desktop PC with fresh installation, probably could be BIOS support issue or bad cloning. It was running fine with current Kingstone A400 for 2 years already...


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post Aug 22 2021, 06:16 PM

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QUOTE(gacktleong @ Aug 22 2021, 03:38 PM)
Do u guys really give a shxt about ssd write cycle?

today my colleague keeps bugging me about this
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post Aug 22 2021, 06:19 PM

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QUOTE(gacktleong @ Aug 22 2021, 03:38 PM)
Do u guys really give a shxt about ssd write cycle?

today my colleague keeps bugging me about this
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Sss wear and tear is inevitable.
My 960evo is about 22tb tbw now, I store large downloads in separate disk. Cheap ssd with tlc or. Penta level cell means lower durability.
Just don't put anything important in ssd, that's all, cloud and ext hdd exists for a reason.
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post Aug 22 2021, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(gacktleong @ Aug 22 2021, 03:38 PM)
Do u guys really give a shxt about ssd write cycle?

today my colleague keeps bugging me about this
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no. these days, they are very affordable and accessible. as long as they are from decent brands, with appropriate usage, there is no need to worry about anything.

QUOTE(voscar @ Aug 22 2021, 05:58 PM)
Thanks for your advice. I managed to get optimal speed on another newer laptop, done diskpart clean-up and fresh Windows installation...

When free gonna retry again on the older desktop PC with fresh installation, probably could be BIOS support issue or bad cloning. It was running fine with current Kingstone A400 for 2 years already...
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no problem. it's good to know that it's resolved.

right, i suspected that it's related to one of the common issues that caused slow performannce for ssd.

QUOTE(1024kbps @ Aug 22 2021, 06:19 PM)
Sss wear and tear is inevitable.
My 960evo is about 22tb tbw now, I store large downloads in separate disk. Cheap ssd with tlc or. Penta level cell means lower durability.
Just don't put anything important in ssd, that's all, cloud and ext hdd exists for a reason.
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right, it's really a better practice to have multiple backups for important stuff.

tbh, the same simple approach saved me from troubles many times already.
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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Aug 22 2021, 06:19 PM)
Sss wear and tear is inevitable.
My 960evo is about 22tb tbw now, I store large downloads in separate disk. Cheap ssd with tlc or. Penta level cell means lower durability.
Just don't put anything important in ssd, that's all, cloud and ext hdd exists for a reason.
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every time ssd lifespan comes into discussion, i always see the keyword "don't put anything important in ssd", this kind of implies that ssds are not a safe place to store your data but isn't the same can be said to hdd?
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post Aug 23 2021, 03:23 AM

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china forum reported that new batch WD SN550 1TB & 500GB write speed drop tremendously after the cache was exhausted

https://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=28144959

https://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=28181945

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post Aug 23 2021, 08:05 AM

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QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ Aug 23 2021, 12:33 AM)
every time ssd lifespan comes into discussion, i always see the keyword "don't put anything important in ssd", this kind of implies that ssds are not a safe place to store your data but isn't the same can be said to hdd?
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If you store extra copies elsewhere, then it's fine,
SSD drive has limited write cycle, badly configured, dram-less, tlc, small capacity will reduce the endurance.

I've seen too much people in tech support asking for data recovery. Cloud service and external hard drives are much more cheaper than data recovery, most people don't bother until thier drives cannot be accessed.
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post Aug 23 2021, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ Aug 23 2021, 12:33 AM)
i always see the keyword "don't put anything important in ssd", this kind of implies that ssds are not a safe place to store your data but isn't the same can be said to hdd?
SSD is much more reliable than HDD but you still shouldn't store your important data in just 1 place. Should always have backup
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Aug 23 2021, 03:23 AM)
china forum reported that new batch WD SN550 1TB & 500GB write speed drop tremendously after the cache was exhausted

https://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=28144959

https://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=28181945
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but under what circumstances will the cache be filled? Any daily tasks that we can relate to?
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QUOTE(antaras @ Aug 23 2021, 02:08 PM)
but under what circumstances will the cache be filled? Any daily tasks that we can relate to?
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copy big file
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post Aug 23 2021, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Aug 23 2021, 02:13 PM)
copy big file
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as in copying one big file or multiple smaller files in one go?
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QUOTE(antaras @ Aug 23 2021, 03:06 PM)
as in copying one big file or multiple smaller files in one go?
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both…multiple small file memang slow because rely on its 4k write speed.

to explain it in simpler way:

old sn550 1tb if i copy 40gb file into it, the 1st 12GB will be written in full speed, then after that will drop to 800MB/s.

new sn550 1tb if i copy 40gb file into it, the 1st 12GB will be written in full speed, then after that will drop to 400MB/s.

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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Aug 23 2021, 03:40 PM)
both…multiple small file memang slow because rely on its 4k write speed.

to explain it in simpler way:

old sn550 1tb if i copy 40gb file into it, the 1st 12GB will be written in full speed, then after that will drop to 800MB/s.

new sn550 1tb if i copy 40gb file into it, the 1st 12GB will be written in full speed, then after that will drop to 400MB/s.
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holy crap! half the speed! Thanks for explaining.
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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Aug 23 2021, 08:05 AM)
If you store extra copies elsewhere, then it's fine,
SSD drive has limited write cycle, badly configured, dram-less, tlc, small capacity will reduce the endurance.

I've seen too much people in tech support asking for data recovery. Cloud service and external hard drives are much more cheaper than data recovery, most people don't bother until thier drives cannot be accessed.
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basically if you get decent ssd's and get one with high endurance, you're kinda safe to go yea? I have encountered this in the past where I had BSOD on my plextor SSD (made in 2013) and upon reboot, some system files were permanently missing and this was one of the downside of SSD's back then. Are they still the same to this day with modern SSD's?

QUOTE(sHawTY @ Aug 23 2021, 10:39 AM)
SSD is much more reliable than HDD but you still shouldn't store your important data in just 1 place. Should always have backup
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yup it goes without saying having multiple backup is good, and cloud backup is real handy and actually cheap if you only store key important files
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QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ Aug 23 2021, 06:22 PM)
basically if you get decent ssd's and get one with high endurance, you're kinda safe to go yea? I have encountered this in the past where I had BSOD on my plextor SSD (made in 2013) and upon reboot, some system files were permanently missing and this was one of the downside of SSD's back then. Are they still the same to this day with modern SSD's?
yup it goes without saying having multiple backup is good, and cloud backup is real handy and actually cheap if you only store key important files
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Had many ssd in my system, the only one still stay is 960 Evo.
Reputable brand like Sammy can update firmware easily, driver provided, come with free software.

22 tbw after several years of usage I'd say it's pretty good for money.
For the sake of stability, only use the connector directly from psu, and a good psu is important too.
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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Aug 25 2021, 08:04 AM)
Had many ssd in my system, the only one still stay is 960 Evo.
Reputable brand like Sammy can update firmware easily, driver provided, come with free software.

22 tbw after several years of usage I'd say it's pretty good for money.
For the sake of stability, only use the connector directly from psu, and a good psu is important too.
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yeah that was on an older system and it was an older ssd

i've had 26tbw on my 250gb 960 evo since 2017 and have never encountered that issue as well so i was thinking maybe that affected older drives when there werent much tech put into it
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post Aug 25 2021, 11:19 PM

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Hi guys,
Plan to get 500gb ssd,
Looking at mx500 and samsung870evo..
Upcoming 9.9 sale, what kind price i should be expecting for both ssd respectively?
Now mx500 around rm25X and 870evo around 3XX still... Should i just buy the mx now? Or wait,
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QUOTE(Exeunt @ Aug 25 2021, 11:19 PM)
Hi guys,
Plan to get 500gb ssd,
Looking at mx500 and samsung870evo..
Upcoming 9.9 sale, what kind price i should be expecting for both ssd respectively?
Now mx500 around rm25X and 870evo around 3XX still... Should i just buy the mx now? Or wait,
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Think I saw MX500 1TB for around RM380 few days ago. If 9.9 have this price I think worth the wait.
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Aug 26 2021, 09:46 PM)
Think I saw MX500 1TB for around RM380 few days ago. If 9.9 have this price I think worth the wait.
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