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babylon52281
post Nov 28 2025, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Nov 27 2025, 11:02 PM)
They specifically,  Nvidia, AMD, Qualcomm, Apple can have the most cutting edge node, the older nodes can use to fab nand and DRAM.

TSCM has fab all over Taiwan, Japan (JASM Kumamoto), and now at USA (TSMC Arizona) too.
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Problem with that theory is TSMC as well others have finite chipmaking capacity and even older nodes are being replaced with newer ones due to demand for those: "What's worse, TSMC is concentrating more resources on sub-5nm nodes, reallocating a significant portion of its workforce, equipment, and other assets from older processes. Mature nodes such as 6nm and 7nm may face constraints, potentially affecting customers who do not require the most advanced technology for their designs."
https://www.techspot.com/news/110131-tsmc-h...s-possibly.html

Meanwhile at TSMC Arizona....
https://www.techpowerup.com/343338/tsmc-ack...d-wafers-emerge
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post Nov 30 2025, 12:48 AM

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Nov 29 2025, 05:31 PM)
Welp, for SSD with DRAM, it mostly helps if you're professional content creator,
eg, you write massive data, since DRAM helps act as read/write cache and it prolong the SSD life span

Normal user should not be bother about it and if you use the cheapo SSD (but at least branded, not random SSD from taobao ok),
eg you only install games and it update once a month
or use it as second drive for other programs that are too big to fit into the main SSD.

I have 870 EVO 2TB and I use it for the scenario same as above,
2 external HDD for massive data eg videos and hi-res photo, i back up to thumb drive as well.

Main drive : 970Evo 1TB
for OS, VScode, frequently used programs

Secondary: 870 Evo 2TB, still very fast and
for frequently played games, other not frequently used programs.
The reason I only use Samsung because of with the software, you can fully utilize your SSD

The rest are big capacity thumb drives and 2x 4TB external HDD for media files.
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As long as your OS boot drive is with DRAM (like that 970 Evo) it doesnt matter if storage drive is DRAMless or not. Most important is the OS drive has DRAM.
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post Dec 4 2025, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Dec 4 2025, 09:19 AM)
speed wise even gen3 is ok tbh. gen4 is the max to consider.
gen5 ssd? most people don't really need that. especially when u are paying for it  rolleyes.gif
also gen3 has less than gen4 and gen5. Regardless still use heatspreads on the ssds. Some motherboards already have ssd heatspreaders, so you can use that or those got separately.

then you got tlc vs qlc.

dram vs dramless.
youtuber recommended wd blue sn5000 but there is some fine print to be aware of
also the 4tb for the SN5000 that is QLC.. but the 1tb and 2tb is TLC.
according to the specs the endurance TBW for both new and old wd blue ssd is the same  hmm.gif
I would just suggest going for the wd blue SN5000 1tb or 2tb depending on the pricing. And even then, for a non OS usage. So you would have a TLC with dram ssd for OS, and then use these WD blue dramless TLC for extra storage for like games, apps or something.
prices

1tb SN5000  = rm 368 (dotatech)

2tb SN5000 = rm 643 (sandisk shopeemall. dotatech was more expensive for this haha)

4tb SN5000 = rm 1544

*all after voucher
capacity wise, i dont recommend 256gb and 500gb. too little for 2025. even 1tb might be already pushing it. 2tb is recommended.

4tb certainly can be used but considering the price and the fact it's a QLC, i would not even bother.
you can still use hard drives for none essential stuff like downloading location (but expect read/write not to be fast compared to just using ssds especially if you are doing 5-10gbe networking setups.)

WD blue 4tb desktop hard drive is about 175MB/s to 185MB/s read/write.
for most people 175MB - 260 MB/s read/write is good enough. the main thing for hdd is the per gig per dollar factor which still beats ssds for now.

SSD you are mostly using for OS, games, apps, or more niche scenario setups requiring multi gig e.g. 10gbe networking.
https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/are-we...itchat.2590424/
saw viewnet list a 8tb wd blue desktop hdd for rm 1.2  whereas the seagate ironwolf for 12tb is rm 1.7 (it's rm 1.6 is u haggle in store offline)

hmm.gif  seems the newer qlc can outperform even some dram ssds. but still i rather prefer a tlc.
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Imho for regular user, best storage mix in a PC would be:
1/2TB Gen4 SSD with DRAM for OS Bootdrive
1TB above size Gen3/4 SSD DRAMless TLC for program/game installations (hot data)
4/8TB HDD for files & photos storage, pr0n, etc (cold data)
DVD burner & DVDs for archival storage

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Dec 4 2025, 07:18 PM)
agreed. but which one do u recommend? now that crucial is gone.... samsung?  hmm.gif  for this thread this is what i'm concerned about. now that crucial gone which is the next brand to get? actually the only part i partially disagree, even gen3 would be fine. but that is assuming u get it heavily discounted vs gen4, if not just stick to gen4. The only reason to go gen3 is if u can get it for a good price per gig over the gen4. gen3 also has the added benefit it runs cooler. that said i use gen4 m2 nvme ssds and with heatsink it's fine. but some ssds r notoriously bad with heat especially under heavy use which then may trigger throttling, so check the reviews.
that sounds ok, BUT, i heard if you are OBS streamer, actually you should not use that with dramless ssd.
For streamers yes it make sense to go with DRAM SSD as scratch disk due to constant writes, for that I would reco go for 4TB drive like Sammie or KC3000 due to its doubling of TBW so the wear rate will be spread out. Expensive yes but if one is streaming professionally they could easily afford for such a large capacity drive.

For larger drives its typically Gen4 or 5. Gen3 i never heard of 4TB and above SSD.

QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Dec 4 2025, 07:18 PM)
as for gamer usage
yeah hdd good enuff for this. but desktop drive is rated for like 8 hours continuous use. thats fine, but i use ironwolf for my desktop since better mbtf.
Modern HDD can last for years even close to a decade if used properly and their cheap enough to replace when its about to die.

QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Dec 4 2025, 07:18 PM)
depends. not everyone has this these days.
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2nd hand drives and cheap DVDR can still be bought, cheapest archival storage per Gig. It may not work for everyone but it work for me close to 20 years now.


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post Dec 5 2025, 08:07 AM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Dec 5 2025, 06:54 AM)
4tb? dram ssd? oof. So far i've been getting by with a 2tb ssd dram for my obs usage using tinybot cam  laugh.gif  4tb bit expensive. there is a cheaper (though not reallyt) but it's a qlc dramless which defeats the point
if capacity size is limited to gen4/5, then gen4 seems the go to option. I don't see the point of gen5 ssd unless it's pricing matches or is lower than gen4  laugh.gif

*update

there are some gen3 with 4tb capacity for ssd

Crucial P3
- dramless (but has HMB)
- m2 nvme

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crucial-p3-ssd-review
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/...4tb-ssd.327683/

sounds like this guy was using this for an OS drive  sweat.gif  maybe he didn't understand it's for the games for the reads mostly. not for OS ssd usage.
anyway saw on shopee the P3 4tb is about rm 1.5k and the newer P3 Plus is Rm 2k+  sweat.gif  by comparison u can get a decent samsung gen4 2tb for rm800 to 1k, or a more budget model from other brand 2tb for rm 500-700  hmm.gif 
Western Digital SN750
- has dram
- m2 nvme

https://www.techpowerup.com/ssd-specs/weste...sn750-4-tb.d458
Western Digital Red SN700
for older systems that only do sata 2.5'' (i no longer use these older devices  sweat.gif already phased them out)

Samsung 870 QVO

Western Digital Blue SA510

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Surprised I am, but in the market I havent seen yet 4TB versions of P3 nor SN750. Maybe coz I wasnt searching for such large capacity but yeah these are good for data storage.

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Dec 5 2025, 07:31 AM)

rm1k on shopee mall

alternative to that is Crucial T500 2tb. Is TLC and has DRAM. but have to buy before no more stock  sweat.gif

RM1,566 on shopee.
the samsung 990 pro is cheaper also is tlc and has dram.
the evo series tend to be cheaper than the pro for samsung but, 990 evo is dramless, though it does use tlc.
*update

found better price offline on viewnet
samsung 990 pro 2tb - RM 800
the 990 evo 4tb is rm 1349 and for the pro 4tb is a rm200 difference.
Kingston KC3000 if you want alternative with tlc and dram for 2tb. RM 639 (cheaper than the samsung)
but realistic you will be using the motherboard heatsink or some sort of heatsink. so not too worried about this  sweat.gif

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/kingst...m2-ssd-review/2
so since crucial is out guess i'll be getting more kingston if it's cheaper than samsung  sweat.gif  just want a tlc with dram ssd...
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Latest KC3000 seem to have some kinda problem and its suspected due to NAND downgrade (Kingston is known to do that)
https://www.igorslab.de/en/kingston-kc3000-...than-the-nv3/2/

Unless you can get older revision drives with Micron NAND.

That Phison E18 controller also seem to have degradation issue (at least on Seagate SSD)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Seagate/comments/1...ad_degradation/

For Gen4 I would stick with Sammie or SN850X, or cheaper nonPhison type SSD ie S70 Blade, Legend 960 Max, Crucial P5 Plus
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QUOTE(_gmsk @ Dec 6 2025, 05:16 PM)
Just my luck, when I need it, prices rise.
Got satafirm S11 on my old ssd drive(galax gamer L ssd 120gb phison controller) and I have tried to reflash it, failed then I opened it up to "jump" it into ROM mode, force flashing fw again and I was able to use it again. After using a few days, its back to S11 state again...
Any reco for ssd(sata?)with dram that doesn't use phison as controller? 120-250gb is fine for os drive, not using kc3000 because phison.
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Not just the Phison controller but KC3000 also suffers from Kingston infamous parts swap esp for newer batch units as Igor discovered.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/kingston-kc3000-...than-the-nv3/2/

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