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post Aug 20 2007, 11:15 AM, updated 19y ago

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As I am opting for the best screen for my upcoming ps3 or Halo 3 version of 360,

what would be the best options or choice that I can have for USD 400 price range? Make USD 500 tops. Is it possible to have 1080p within that price range?

Here is my research from newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.as...411&name=LCD-TV

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please enlighten me. Thank you.

p/s: I would prefer recommendation with explaination. Fanboyism comments are allowed of coz, but it doesn't change the fact and won't help me at all.
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post Aug 20 2007, 11:24 AM

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1st and foremost, where is ur location?
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post Aug 20 2007, 11:56 AM

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Why is that important ? The US if that is somehow important.
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post Aug 20 2007, 12:32 PM

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if not wrong USD400 - 500 will be around RM1500-1750+- i would said you will best get urself a 1080i or 720p TV onli.

If u really want to u can go get LCD monitor! That would be possible to reach 1080p but u wont see much different from the screen! Either ur budget can go up to USD3000++ or else u have no chance to get a LCD TV tat supports 1080p!!!
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post Aug 20 2007, 12:43 PM

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I actually dont want to spend alot of money on TV as I feel its unnecessary. That is actually what I restricted myself. So what would u suggest then for LCD monitor?

ps: my title has mention LCD monitor too rite? tongue.gif


Added on August 20, 2007, 12:44 pmAnd what would be the differences? I mean between TV and normal monitor? will it be the output and input? Is that it?

or LCD monitor cant be used as TV? Enlighten me please.

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different country has different pricing


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TS, are you a student living in a dorm/apartment? size and portability is very important then? in the US, got lots of brands, models and discounted items. i think forums like neogaf or avsforums has recommendations thread.

i'm using cheapo benq-fp94vw.html

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...k=benq%2bfp94vw

for a desktop monitor, 19" is quite than enough for me smile.gif
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post Aug 20 2007, 06:36 PM

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I see, anything else should I be concerned with? Like HDMI and 1080p? I dont really get the differences, or they are just the same?

I think I shud go for monitor then? 19"? 21"? 23"?
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post Aug 20 2007, 09:32 PM

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like i said in the LCD thread. (why is everyone creatinf another)..
1080p only noticeable whn u hit 40 inch and above.. 24 inch lcd mostly support 1080p already. 22 inch and below 720p. pc LCD monitors 22 inch and below u would need a dvi - hdmi converter. with tat range u hv. 720p would be good enuff for u
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First of all, models that are available in the US may not be offered in other regions, hence that's why location is important for us to know. It doesn't help if we can't relate to the brands/shops/models.

Secondly as has been said, 1080p will only be noticeable at 40" and above. Anything smaller and you won't see a difference. Monitors are good for gaming as has been explained, however you'll need a tv tuner card if you want to receive tv signals. Benq and dell are popular here, but you may want to see other makes.

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post Aug 21 2007, 02:58 AM

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Thanks for the input guys,

yeah that's why I gave the newegg link, that implies the place I presumed. As I don't think we want to buy from newegg if we are currently in Malaysia.

and lowyat in the US will be bestbuy, but they have limited choices and options. So newegg covers the US basically.

About 1080p LCD, so shud I go with 24" and higher? or I shud just stick with 720p?
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post Aug 21 2007, 09:12 AM

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It is up to u! If u saw my blog u should know tat 1080p on a monitor will only let u see smaller and more detail text or word. Besides that it is the same!!! How big is ur room anyway? If very small then go cheap for those 22" LCD screen or smaller!
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sigh.... now its our fault for not noticing newegg is from US.....

anyway gd lark
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QUOTE(300078 @ Aug 20 2007, 08:12 PM)
It is up to u! If u saw my blog u should know tat 1080p on a monitor will only let u see smaller and more detail text or word. Besides that it is the same!!! How big is ur room anyway? If very small then go cheap for those 22" LCD screen or smaller!
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I actually did read that. Hmm is it really the same? I play my fren's 360 on LCD TV and normal TV yet I can see the differences. I was thinking 24" 1080p but the prices are slightly higher than my budget. I think I will have to wait for some months for that, as there is no rush for me to get a ps3, since the exclusive and my favorite games are not out yet till like next year (MGS 4, GTA bla bla). But Halo 3 looks so tempting especially with that ugly 360 Halo 3 limited edition version. We'll see what happen, but right now I am more towards ps3.
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I have a 32" ( pensonic) in my room and 42" (pensonic) in living room

Those 2 LCD cost me roughly 10k. Dad gave me 12k to buy LCD tv's

So, I took 10k to buy tv n 2k to buy ps3

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wow your dad sure is rich for giving 12k....

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post Aug 23 2007, 07:42 AM

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ya lo...

@derred,
of course you can see the differences... normal TV only support 480i...
if you play games that having small wording display you have difficulties to read it....
I play on TV set b4... but now using normal CRT 19"...
quite good already... wide screen is better la of course...
what can i say.... hmmm...
you won be sitting there for Xbox360 gaming for 3 hours on a computer chair isn't it?
getting LCD TV so that you can sit further only...
but for me i sit and sometime spraw on my bed to play...
i don mind that my screen is a bit small...
so it is your choice to top up ur budget or live with small screen...
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post Aug 24 2007, 05:44 AM

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shoot, then I'll wait for few for months, I want LCD TVs but those are too damn expensive. If MGS 4 is out by the time I have the money, then I'll go for monitor then.

So any best suggestion for monitor? 24"? consider decision will be few months from now.
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aiyo - will the LCD be used for computer too or just gaming?

if for computer and gaming - the 24in better than FULL HD monitors should be perfect for you. Get one with HDMI connector - such as the BENQ 24in monitor - works for gaming, computer and dvd too tongue.gif

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QUOTE(derred @ Aug 24 2007, 05:44 AM)
shoot, then I'll wait for few for months, I want LCD TVs but those are too damn  expensive. If MGS 4 is out by the time I have the money, then I'll go for monitor then.

So any best suggestion for monitor? 24"? consider decision will be few months from now.
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Lol if u compare Normal TV with LCD TV u see a lot of difference!
And i also doubt that the MGS will be in Full 1080p!!! So far only Sony itself has come out with game in that resolution!

It is up to you loh! 24" if use in small space it is nice enough! If you use it in the Living Room and your living room is very big then go for 32" and above! It will also be easier to view text word in a distance!
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are you a fan boy???
please la Xbox360 have already a few games which have 1080i native la...


for me la... I'll choose LCD TV... coz you can have al lthe entertainment on the TV including computer...
but for monitor they have highe resolution which is not that nice when you are watching DVD or TV...
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QUOTE(300078 @ Aug 24 2007, 07:55 AM)
Lol if u compare Normal TV with LCD TV u see a lot of difference!
And i also doubt that the MGS will be in Full 1080p!!! So far only Sony itself has come out with game in that resolution!

It is up to you loh! 24" if use in small space it is nice enough! If you use it in the Living Room and your living room is very big then go for 32" and above! It will also be easier to view text word in a distance!
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i think the thread starter wants to buy a LCD rather thn a CRT monitor.. so lets all jus skip CRT cause we all know its far less superior to LCDs..
MGS4 is to be out on 720p..
and yea really depends on your space tat u think it might fit best.. yr study table? or living room? or hall way? really boils down on distance u would sit frm the LCD.
pretty much like sitting in the theater..... would u hv a BIG screen but sit so near.. yr eye can only focus on one area at a time? or far away where u can see all of it..

ALLOT of people i see post pics where thy sit so close to a 32" tv... it really blinds thm.. u'd only strain yr eyes. jus to LOOK CLOSER at the details of the pic..


QUOTE(michael9413 @ Aug 24 2007, 08:15 AM)
are you a fan boy???
please la Xbox360 have already a few games which have 1080i native la...
for me la... I'll choose LCD TV... coz you can have al lthe entertainment on the TV including computer...
but for monitor they have highe resolution which is not that nice when you are watching DVD or TV...
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sounds like u're more of a fan boy thn he is. sweat.gif it really depends. most people would go for 720p rather thn 1080i due the 60fps and 30fps difference.

firstly motion!!!
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Motion is different issue. If you want to see motion clearly, then live action 720p is what looks best, compared to 1080i. Here's why: the information content of 720p is about the same as 1080i, though what it lacks in spatial resolution, it makes up for in temporal resolution (because the picture is at 1/60th of a second, not 1/30th x 2.) On 1080i, this would show as flickered or jagged edges on bright horizontal objects (like in the background of a camera pan.)


2nd pricing and difference only noticeable with a HUGE screen
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Tests of visual acuity to determine the resolution required of a television transmission system by the BBC's J.O. Drewery and R. Salmon determined that at 9 feet, a 50 inch screen at 720p's resolution will give you all the resolution you can see! At 9 feet, a 56 incher needs 1080i to avoid seeing the pixel structure. If you sit farther or closer, you may need more resolution.


u mostly only go beyond 720p if.. u hv 40" and above. other thn tat its really no point... unless u're rich.. thn its a diff story. reason being the prices of LCD these days leaps frm jus a few inches away. talking about 32" to a 40" inch jump...


and dude.. LCD tv and Monitor these days.. no diff reason being u can hook HDMI and DVI altogether.. it depends on many other factors not jus general.. u've got TN + film, IPS, MVA, PVA.. 8-bit 6-bit coloring, refresh period, contrast, brightness.. plenty of things so u cant generalize that LCD tv are better thn monitors..
there is a converter or adapter u know too u know.. for both plugs
mostly 24" and above comes with HDMI ready being the twice the price jump frm 22" where for the 24" the 1080p cut off point comes in..


so it really boils down to how much are u willing to spend.. and where u aiming at.. if u wanna go 22" but below 32" thn i suggest a good computer LCD.. if u wanna hit 32" and above.. pls get a home entertainment LCD

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@ ruztynail,

thanx for the explanation, I appreciate that. It's true that we can't simply generalize LCD tv and monitor, I actually haven't decide whether it's supposed to be on my table or living room. I was thinking what actually worth more but then I think with my lifestyle, putting it on the table next to laptop will be more effective for me.

So I guess it will be 24incher with HDMI ready or whatever it calls. I dont really understand HDMI, it sounds like it supports 1080i and 1080p, that is what I assume, just correct me if im wrong.

and oh, is it possible to connect both console and computer with the same monitor? I know I did that while ago with ps2 and my desktop, with some adapter I forgot what it's called. If it's possible, that will be sweet. For that reason, most probably I'll go for monitor, fer sho.


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QUOTE(derred @ Aug 24 2007, 10:50 AM)
@ ruztynail,

thanx for the explanation, I appreciate that. It's true that we can't simply generalize LCD tv and monitor, I actually haven't decide whether it's supposed to be on my table or living room. I was thinking what actually worth more but then I think with my lifestyle, putting it on the table next to laptop will be more effective for me.

So I guess it will be 24incher with HDMI ready or whatever it calls. I dont really understand HDMI, it sounds like it supports 1080i and 1080p, that is what I assume, just correct me if im wrong.

and oh, is it possible to connect both console and computer with the same monitor? I know I did that while ago with ps2 and my desktop, with some adapter I forgot what it's called. If it's possible, that will be sweet. For that reason, most probably I'll go for monitor, fer sho.
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Yup you can connect both your console with your pc with the same lcd monitor. That's what I do. PS3 + X360 + PC with my 22" Dell. My X360 and PC are using KVM switch to the VGA input meanwhile my PS3 is using HDMI - DVI cable to the DVI input of the lcd monitor.
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Yeah, I do mostly everything on the computer so the lcd monitor would be the obvious choice for 360 gaming as well. LCD TV is great, but it's just a tad bit too big for me. Perhaps when I have a bigger hall one day, I'll be able to use the LCD TV.

But right now since I'm always around the computer, the lcd monitor will have to do smile.gif 24" is just fine.
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I see, thanks for the input tot31 and refnulf. So that will be added to one more reason to get a monitor. But one last thing, how do u switch which one (ps3, PC, or 360) on the screen like is there any switch or sumthing maybe a software, coz I personally couldn't figure out how it will works technically. I know there must be a way, just that I have no clue how.
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Like tot31 said, KVM switches enable a person to use up to 4 systems on 1 monitor. You just keep switching from one to another

Plus the monitors these days have DVI and VGA connection. So you can either use the DVI for PC and VGA for the 360. So no need a KVM switch. On the monitor, you'll have a switch to change from digital to analog input.




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Hi guys, i just want to say this has been a very useful thread to me. I was initially going to purchase a 32 inch HD ready LCD TV (sony or samsung), but after reading some of your posts especially the one by Ruztynail, i have to say i am quite concerned that i may be going the wrong direction.

If room space and distance of tv isn't an issue for me, and my budget is from RM2,000 to RM5,000, from what i read is it correct for me to conclude that lets say a 22"-24" LCD monitor will have the same HD picture quality as a 32inch LCD TV? I guess what i mean is will the games and movies i watch be clearer and more detailed and smooth on the 32" LCD tv or LCD monitor? or same?

My usage requirements are mostly for my Xbox360 and DVD movies. Currently i'm using my old tv and i'm really struggling to enjoy myself due to low visual quality and some games i can't even read the font/words in the game! (e.g. The darkness).

I always had the impression that the 32inch lcd tv would have better quality visuals for games and dvds than the lcd monitor, however i think i must be wrong after reading the above posts. If that is the case, i think i can save quite alot of money just by purchasing a lcd monitor! So anyone that can confirm this for me, i would be greatly appreciative.

I must apologize for my ignorance in this matter, and i thank anyone in advance for taking your time to help me out.

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Unless ur going above 40incher, there's no point of going 1080p coz u will never notice the difference visually. If ur using it in small space like ur table, better to have a monitor. There is a informative link of some dude's siggy here, try to click that and read.

oh, I am the thread starter, so what I learn is unless we are going 40incher and above, forget 1080p. In fact I am still waiting for a couple informative replies about my concern.
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QUOTE(primuslim @ Aug 27 2007, 12:49 AM)
Hi guys, i just want to say this has been a very useful thread to me. I was initially going to purchase a 32 inch HD ready LCD TV (sony or samsung), but after reading some of your posts especially the one by Ruztynail, i have to say i am quite concerned that i may be going the wrong direction.

If room space and distance of tv isn't an issue for me, and my budget is from RM2,000 to RM5,000, from what i read is it correct for me to conclude that lets say a 22"-24" LCD monitor will have the same HD picture quality as a 32inch LCD TV? I guess what i mean is will the games and movies i watch be clearer and more detailed and smooth on the 32" LCD tv or LCD monitor? or same?

My usage requirements are mostly for my Xbox360 and DVD movies. Currently i'm using my old tv and i'm really struggling to enjoy myself due to low visual quality and some games i can't even read the font/words in the game! (e.g. The darkness).

I always had the impression that the 32inch lcd tv would have better quality visuals for games and dvds than the lcd monitor, however i think i must be wrong after reading the above posts. If that is the case, i think i can save quite alot of money just by purchasing a lcd monitor! So anyone that can confirm this for me, i would be greatly appreciative.

I must apologize for my ignorance in this matter, and i thank anyone in advance for taking your time to help me out.
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if xbox and DVD movie - i suggest you to get a 32in 720p LCD. get one with good response time. Branded ones should all be under RM3000 now. as for DVD, you would need a HDMI upconvert DVD player to enjoy hidef anyway. Get a 1080p ONLY if you are into HD DVD or Blu-ray. if not dont waste your money wink.gif
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yes you should get LCD TV... not LCD Monitor...
LCD monitor will not give you a good picture for you DVD....
thats wat my fren said... he have a dell 24" LCD Monitor...
he used it for gaming not TV or DVD...
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QUOTE(michael9413 @ Aug 24 2007, 08:15 AM)
are you a fan boy???
please la Xbox360 have already a few games which have 1080i native la...
for me la... I'll choose LCD TV... coz you can have al lthe entertainment on the TV including computer...
but for monitor they have highe resolution which is not that nice when you are watching DVD or TV...
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Me no FAN boy of any console! I am the "gotta catch em all" type!!!

Is true that monitor do have some disadvantage! But in the end it falls to the main purpose of wat the person want to used it for, if from the start he just want to used it for gamin + pc usage + place it in the room, then monitor will sure be a much better choices.

By the way if u plug it with a PC that have TV tuner u can still get to watch TV! And for DVD quality yup it is a bit worse if u use a PC to run the movie, but if u use players like PS3 or others to play it, it is still the same as using TV (based on my experience on watching DVD9 movie using PS3 with LCD monitor).
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okok .. jus asking...
coz most of the ppl i asked last time said Xbox have better games library...haha
nvm la... if he choose to watch DVD and movies i recommeded to get LCD TV...
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QUOTE(300078 @ Aug 26 2007, 10:54 PM)
Me no FAN boy of any console! I am the "gotta catch em all" type!!!

Is true that monitor do have some disadvantage! But in the end it falls to the main purpose of wat the person want to used it for, if from the start he just want to used it for gamin + pc usage + place it in the room, then monitor will sure be a much better choices.

By the way if u plug it with a PC that have TV tuner u can still get to watch TV! And for DVD quality yup it is a bit worse if u use a PC to run the movie, but if u use players like PS3 or others to play it, it is still the same as using TV (based on my experience on watching DVD9 movie using PS3 with LCD monitor).
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I dont need TV tuner here, I can always watch TV on the living room (tho there are tons of HD channels, I dont have HDTV so I dont even care). Even if I do want, I can always log into Joost and watch online, as it streams like a butter.
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Cheap gaming display, LCD monitor is ideal. If you want something at FULL HD, then yes. A 40" LCD tv which supports it. The new samsungs, sharps, etc.

If not, just get a 24" LCD monitor. Does pretty much everything for gaming.


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I thot now there are bunch LCDs come with 1080p, such from ViewSonic, LG etc. The price tag might be heavy tho, but still it's available for now.
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QUOTE(derred @ Aug 27 2007, 01:01 PM)
I dont need TV tuner here, I can always watch TV on the living room (tho there are tons of HD channels, I dont have HDTV so I dont even care). Even if I do want, I can always log into Joost and watch online, as it streams like a butter.
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So good at US there get to have nice connection + HD Channel!!!
Malaysia really needs a lot of improvement! doh.gif
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haha... really need a lot la...

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HD channels could be "necessary" depending on the content. Like I definitely would enjoy the new season Prison Break live in HD and probably sports like what they called "football", but some of them arent really matter to me. Oh movie channels like HBOs would be nice too on hi-def.

So back to the topic, I have seen some brands introduce their 1080p lines of monitor, what do u guys think? Good, no good?


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Right, full HD monitors will be quite expensive no?


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The last pic would be an HDMI cable. It's used to connect your HDMI devices like DVD, 360 Elite, PS3, HD-DVD, Blu-Ray, etc. biggrin.gif

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actually the only thing u really need to know the real diff between LCD tv and LCD computers are the bit rates and how many million of colors thy can churn out. dell hv lower 6bits compared to most LCD tv with 8bit. its about 300,000 diff in color visuals. go wiki it. tats why LCD tv can give out better color production. like is said. budget, view space, and how big u going to go and purpose. lets say u got a 40 inch with sucky sound system?? i rather go for an average lcd size with superb sound system. since u can already get 5.1 optical for about 1.5k
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@ruztynail

seems like I can't own the best out of the budget that I have. So the best I could get maybe 1080p LCD monitor? Will that be more than enough ? or is there any better options?


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eh not really la...
a Dell 24" LCD monitor will be around RM2300...

but in US i don think they are selling at that range of USD lo...
only USD 700 wat... they earn that in a week... smile.gif
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QUOTE(michael9413 @ Aug 28 2007, 08:15 AM)
eh not really la...
a Dell 24" LCD monitor will be around RM2300...

but in US i don think they are selling at that range of USD lo...
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erm the dell 24in monitor is <>RM1800. the BenQ 24in monitor with HDMI is $2199 in Low yat smile.gif
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QUOTE(derred @ Aug 28 2007, 12:37 AM)
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seems like I can't own the best out of the budget that I have. So the best I could get maybe 1080p LCD monitor? Will that be more than enough ? or is there any better options?
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LOL.. i think u greatly missunderstood wat i had to say so far.

yes the DELL 24 inch and beyond for LCD monitors or any other brand has the capabilities to go 1080p. but wats the point. its jus the same as 720p unless u sit so close to the monitor, armed with a magnifing glass and compare that with a 720p only would u notice the dif.. heck maybe u wouldnt see anytin tats diff.

let me giv u my "real" example.. say i am poor, underbudget to buy any LCD beyond 1k.. so i aimed for a 22" which is about rm800.. why should i go for 24" which can churn out 1080p whn i hv to fork out more thn twice the amount!?!? whn the extra 2" cause visualization shouldnt really be a problem here.

the only reason i can see here worth comparing 22 to 24 is the connectivity. u get additional ports like hdmi instead of only dvi and vga. i dunno if the 24" has 8bit or 6bit. didnt really research on it. i rather hv two 22" haha rather thn jus one 24"...

another reason is. the huge leap in pricing whn u jus go frm 32" to 40". boils down to pricing and if its worth it paying "tat" additional amount.

understand so far? or have i lost u?


Added on August 28, 2007, 3:20 pm
QUOTE(g5sim @ Aug 28 2007, 11:35 AM)
erm the dell 24in monitor is <>RM1800. the BenQ 24in monitor with HDMI is $2199 in Low yat smile.gif
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eh 24" dell is going for rm 2299 on their website.. can u provide the link for rm1800?? u talking about lowyat as in plaza lowyat? or u talking about the forum??

even if u go staff price.. i dont think dell would allow such a loophole unless its 2nd hand or no 3 years warranty.

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ya lo y so cheap??? hmm you steal it out??? without warranty...

Well if you ask me to fork out that RM2.1k i better buy LCD TV...
which is not far away from that kinda $$$$...
LCD TV i can enjoy a lots of things... smile.gif
DVD, Astro, Computer & also next gen consoles...
where as LCD Monitor only give you nice pic if you have high resolution Graphics card for computer...
then Next gen consoles... 2 only nia...
BTW if you don use the LCD in native resolution... you are wasting ur $$$...
Cos you can really see the difference with native and non-native display...
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The RM1800 price has been taken away already! It was 2 months ago when they put the price RM1800 for that Monitor!

For current pricing of LCD TV, it is a wise choice to go for them too since onli RM2599 also can get a 32". the time i brought mine those TV was still selling above RM3000++

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QUOTE(ruztynail @ Aug 28 2007, 02:12 AM)
LOL.. i think u greatly missunderstood wat i had to say so far. 

yes the DELL 24 inch and beyond for LCD monitors or any other brand has the capabilities to go 1080p. but wats the point. its jus the same as 720p unless u sit so close to the monitor, armed with a magnifing glass and compare that with a 720p only would u notice the dif.. heck maybe u wouldnt see anytin tats diff.

let me giv u my "real" example.. say i am poor, underbudget to buy any LCD beyond 1k.. so i aimed for a 22" which is about rm800.. why should i go for 24" which can churn out 1080p whn i hv to fork out more thn twice the amount!?!? whn  the extra 2" cause visualization shouldnt really be a problem here.

the only reason i can see here worth comparing 22 to 24 is the connectivity. u get additional ports like hdmi instead of only dvi and vga. i dunno if the 24" has 8bit or 6bit. didnt really research on it. i rather hv two 22" haha rather thn jus one 24"... 

another reason is. the huge leap in pricing whn u jus go frm 32" to 40". boils down to pricing and if its worth it paying "tat" additional amount.

understand so far? or have i lost u?


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eh 24" dell is going for rm 2299 on their website.. can u provide the link for rm1800?? u talking about lowyat as in plaza lowyat? or u talking about the forum??

even if u go staff price.. i dont think dell would allow such a loophole unless its 2nd hand or no 3 years warranty.
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I see. Thanks for correcting me. I am good for now. I like the idea that u mention 2 of 22" hurm how will that looks like for gaming? Halo 3 multiplayer 2 player each player on one screen ? possible ? Damn then I dont understand why they advertise 1080p Full HD for on monitors now. It's pretty hot (advertisement) here. 40" is too big for me, even if I have the money. I have no room left to put it in my house. Want it or not, still have to choose monitor. sigh.

So I dont even need to choose between the 3 monitors I posted? Just take Dell? any good suggestion? I never knew choosing a monitor is this tough..
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QUOTE(michael9413 @ Aug 28 2007, 03:46 PM)
ya lo y so cheap??? hmm you steal it out??? without warranty...

Well if you ask me to fork out that RM2.1k i better buy LCD TV...
which is not far away from that kinda $$$$...
LCD TV i can enjoy a lots of things...  smile.gif
DVD, Astro, Computer & also next gen consoles...
where as LCD Monitor only give you nice pic if you have high resolution Graphics card for computer...
then Next gen consoles... 2 only nia...
BTW if you don use the LCD in native resolution... you are wasting ur $$$...
Cos you can really see the difference with native and non-native display...
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that was Dell's official price few months back inclusive of delivery some more. anyhow i would not pay more than RM1800 for that panel anyway. ACER's 24in monitor with same resolution is RM17**. and Again, a shop in Low yat is selling the benq with HDMI and with picture enhancing softwares previously exclusive to benq LCD TVs such as Senseye. Summore i think they are giving away a FREE DVD player with the purchase too. i think the shop is same floor as All IT mall - just infront of it i think tongue.gif ..
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ok... hmmm so BenQ can support DVD playing la???
how about Astro enhancement??
if they don have then i can really watch TV by using that...
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QUOTE(michael9413 @ Aug 29 2007, 09:25 AM)
ok... hmmm so BenQ can support DVD playing la???
how about Astro enhancement??
if they don have then i can really watch TV by using that...
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the benq 24in LCD can support Component video, S-Video, HDMI, DVI and VGA that is all the video input that we can get our hands on.


BenQ FP241W Z RM1,899* Lowyat price


Input Signals = D-Sub/DVI-D/S-Video/Composite/ component /HDMI


Features Exclusive PerfectMotion Technology Full HD Format Support: HDMI (High-Definition Multimedia Interface)
1920 x 1200 (WUXGA) resolution
Full display of two A4-size windows
PIP (Picture in Picture) function
USB ports*3

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The BenQ FP241W Z is the world's first LCD monitor to incorporate AMA Z dynamic video processing technology. AMA Z heralds a new era for LCD monitors by eliminating ghosting and motion blur around the screen edges-for a clearly superior viewing experience with all types of video content.

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HDMI (High-Definition Multimedia Interface)

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FP241VW RM2199 Low Yat price:


http://www.benq.com.my/products/LCD/?product=997

Features =

Exclusive PerfectMotion Technology
Exclusive Senseye+game mode
Full HD Format Support: HDMI (High-Definition Multimedia Interface)
1920 x 1200 (WUXGA) resolution
Full display of two A4-size windows
PIP (Picture in Picture) function
USB ports*2

Input Signals = D-Sub/DVI-D/S-Video/Composite/ component /HDMI

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BenQ FP241VW - THE ULTIMATE GAMING LCD MONITOR

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This product complies with ENERGY STAR(R) Program Requirements for Computer Monitors. Version 4.0.

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that last one impressed me. But I have to admit I am quite skeptical towards BenQ. So please influence me fairly.
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QUOTE(derred @ Aug 29 2007, 11:35 AM)
that last one impressed me. But I have to admit I am quite skeptical towards BenQ. So please influence me fairly.
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i would say that BenQ is the best value for money as compared to the rest of the 24in lcd monitors. and to top that off, the shop is giving away a free dvd player with that purchase tongue.gif please feel free to go to the shop to feel, view and hear for the own hands, eyes and ears. no strings attach . you cant find anything better value than that.

higher than 1080p. HDMI for standard DVD upconvert to full 1080p HD via capable HDMI enable DVD players. You can connect two DVD players, Xbox 360, PS3 and your computer ALL AT THE SAME TIME to this baby. with Xbox 360 and ps3 letting you enjoy FULL HD of 1080p. all this for RM2199 and a free DVD player. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(g5sim @ Aug 28 2007, 11:09 PM)
i would say that BenQ is the best value for money as compared to the rest of the 24in lcd monitors. and to top that off, the shop is giving away a free dvd player with that purchase  tongue.gif  please feel free to go to the shop to feel, view and hear for the own hands, eyes and ears. no strings attach . you cant find anything better value than that.

higher than 1080p. HDMI for standard DVD upconvert to full 1080p HD via capable HDMI enable DVD players. You can connect two DVD players, Xbox 360, PS3 and your computer ALL AT THE SAME TIME to this baby. with Xbox 360 and ps3 letting you enjoy FULL HD of 1080p. all this for RM2199 and a free DVD player. tongue.gif
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I wish I can go to the shop, but I can't.
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which shop are we talking bout here..?
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Derred
BenQ currently do develop some awesome Monitor!
But for ur case i dunno u US there got BenQ stuff for sale or not? Even in Malaysia not all shop are selling BenQ Monitor!
Even if u get a monitor from BenQ do u get the support or service?
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QUOTE(300078 @ Aug 29 2007, 01:42 AM)
Derred
BenQ currently do develop some awesome Monitor!
But for ur case i dunno u US there got BenQ stuff for sale or not? Even in Malaysia not all shop are selling BenQ Monitor!
Even if u get a monitor from BenQ do u get the support or service?
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There are BenQs here in the US. US is too big to cover by shops; they do have big boxes like Wal-Mart, Best Buy etc but if we are talking about the US's "lowyat", then it either newegg, tigerdirect etc.

Best Buy don't carry everything and sometimes their warranty is not covered by them, they will ask to contact manufacturer directly. I exp once with my printer and it sucks. Newegg however is impressive; they shipped in 2 days even with the cheapest shipping and if the item is dead out of the box, they will ship a brand new one.

Back to the topic, I can see how famous is BenQ (monitor) and some good reviews about it. I wonder why ViewSonic is not as impressive as BenQ.
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Then if US there got BenQ Monitor for sale just go for it then!!!
Their HDMI plug in for the monitor really pawn all the other brand! And by the way i dun like View Sonic and Samsung Monitor!!!

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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16824014133

damn expensive. But again I need to wait for MGS 4 indeed. So by that time this prolly got a bit cheaper or I shud just settled with dual 22incher of Dell's. We'll see how u guys convince me which one should I go for.
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well indeed it is for a malysian...
don convert la... haha....

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Even if u dont convert it is still expensive. For normal people with normal jobs, there's no way it could reach 700 USD in a week man. U shudn't think Americans receive salary in Malaysia's number i.e 2000 USD per month. For example, if iPhone price today is 699 USD, it "feels" like it's 2000 MYR when we in Malaysia. It's not like here we "feel" oh cheap like 600 MYR only.
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well as least you can get 2 weeks salary and buy it... Normal jobs...
where as in M'sia you need 1-2 months salary for normal jobs....
well nvm no need to argue... smile.gif

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In Malaysia! 1 month full salary for an average job! Wah lah 1 month hard work become a gadget and placed in ur room!
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QUOTE(michael9413 @ Aug 29 2007, 09:03 PM)
well as least you can get 2 weeks salary and buy it... Normal jobs...
where as in M'sia you need 1-2 months salary for normal jobs....
well nvm no need to argue...  smile.gif
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hehe that one is right tho.. hmm I think I made up my mind. There is no way I am buying 40incher. My friend did tho. So now it's just when shud I get it..
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haha... ok ko.... smile.gif
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Good gaming then! Hope u get all ur stuff ASAP!!! Remember to post ur setup at the setup thread
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I will ! I shud prolly post my friend 40 inch Samsung display with his ps3 first i think. He don't have much games (yet I suppose/believe) so prolly we could only enjoy the setup if not the substance ..

I dont have much money and space, so mine definitely wont be any better than his..

 

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