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post Nov 8 2020, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 8 2020, 08:08 PM)
Lol I read this 3 times and still no idea what you talking about.

How does tongkat policy based on race or needs will make poor ikau meet akun or not? What does tongkat policy based on race or needs got to do with jibeh and gonolon? And how does tongkat policy based on needs will mean hashim wont to meet ahmad's daughter but only through tongkat policy based on race can?

You are basing all your argument through only one focus - your own 1 way street. Needs based tongkat ---> money ---> start business ---> bad. Race based tongkat ---> everything good (no idea how or why it is so but it is definitely good lah)

As if no other possibilities or perspectives are possible. That is simply strawman argument.

Sorry to say this but even your strawman argument is making absolutely zero sense. Try again to prove me wrong or change my mind that needs based agenda is the better way
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Because people in similar race or religion or area of living or language will tend to congregate in the same community
whether it is a fish market or a church mass or a wedding or any social event that that have attended.

A Dusun guy won't be bother to attend or be invited to a Iban social event.
Same goes to Chinese that wouldn't have the chance Malay Ramadan Tarawikh
Unless they are co-workers or same place of education.

A Malay will help a Malay especially when their social status is higher or sometimes lower than others.
Other Bumi ethnicities shares the same mindset of helping the less fortunate in your community.

Perhaps Chinese have different look into this but I doubt that.
I've attended around 30-40 Chinese weddings, countless CNY visits and BBQs and one of my ex is Chinese.
Perhaps this is why Chinese does not think the way Malays or others think. (I'm not saying one is right or wrong, just different way)

I cannot speak in regards of Indians because I rarely encountered them in my life to be able to make judgement

So an Iban will hire their own kind as a priority for employment. I believe Chinese too.
A Malay will hire Malay contractors for a Malay wedding because they share the same diet, religion, language
or in a shorter form, it is easier to get the job done.
A Chinese will hire their own kind because hiring a Malay would be troublesome in term of diet and custom.

Malay will have Malay patrons in their restaurant and vice versa. An Iban will buys from an Iban and such.
You get my point right?

So the distribution of wealth trickles down from the rich to poor in one closed society in an area.
The poor hardly distributes the wealth amongst themselves because they are not able to.

T20 is important to create employment, create business opportunity and develops the area of their etc.

For example (I have personally met them and been to their home),
Tan Sri Alfred Jabu was the Iban leader and T20 in Betong. He still lives in the original longhouse he grew up.
His longhouse now creates 22 degree holders, 3 Master etc whereas 20 years ago, they were merely farmers and laborer's
Now Betong have community centers, Trans Borneo highway, Rural UTC, hotels, KFC, Watson and such because of what he brings

Tan Sri Mustapha Kamal, a T20 was just government servant serving as a DO in Banting. But then with NEP in the 70s he tried his luck as a land developer.
Now he employs his family members, the friends of his family members and such. He helped developed Cyber Jaya and parts of KL.
But little do we know that he funded a lot of mosque to be build secretly with his money.
I saw him giving cash money to my friend's father when my friend passed away in Pantai Medical Center to pay for his bills.
I saw him paying zakat in a Australia to a local imam because he had some business there.
In short, he distributes his wealth either as donations, business opportunity or employment to his people.

So are this 2 people corrupt as most people here say T20 is corrupt?


*I met Najib in his office (for work) discussing about his project on the Klinik Bergerak 1Malaysia in rural Sarawak. I know it us unrelated but heck, just for kick
SUSseriosekitt3h
post Nov 8 2020, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 8 2020, 09:42 PM)
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you still did not explain how does how does tongkat policy based on race or needs makes a difference whether poor ikau meet akun or not, or jibeh meet gonolon or not, or hashim meet ahmad's daughter or not.

And you are still from your own tunnel vision perspective. 1 good T20 = all T20 are good, there are no abuse of the current bumi agenda. But only bumi T20 is important to create employment and opportunity, non bumi wealth gap must be reduced in the name of "fairness" and "racial/religious unity"
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Akun and Ikau is Iban
Jibeh and Gonolon is Kadazan

Didn't I mentioned about long houses and highlands?
Obviously all you guys know is Malay vs Chinese.
I am Melanau btw,

Both the above is my actual classmates back in my school in Kuantan.
Those are their names and their surname

I have answered it countless time.
People in the same ethnicity shares something in common like space, food, tradition, language etc.
This is often the reason how they meet
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post Nov 8 2020, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 8 2020, 09:51 PM)
And how does how does tongkat policy based on race or tongkat policy based on needs makes a difference whether poor ikau meet akun or not, or jibeh meet gonolon or not, or hashim meet ahmad's daughter or not?
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read again post #209 and #219
I have given you examples of both

A real life example,

Akun is an Iban from the longhouse in Kapit,
we are all MARA students
Same with Jibeh.

Now Akun is an engineer in JKR in Kuching
and Jibeh went to the same engineering uni with me

We are all poor B40 and now we are all M40.

Let say we did not get the tongkat, in this case MARA schools and scholarships to Uni,
I certainly would become a nasi lemak seller and Akun would be a palm oil worker.
I used to live in a small 2 bedroom PPR house (Tongkat)
but now I have build my own 2 storey 6 bedroom house.

My question to you.
Does your wealth status declined or increased within your lifetime?

for example
do you went from a car to riding motorbike or
from living on the top of a shophouse to a condo?

This post has been edited by seriosekitt3h: Nov 8 2020, 10:05 PM
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post Nov 8 2020, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(Kyojin @ Nov 8 2020, 10:08 PM)
Not following the entire thread, but to re-phrase the question slightly. Would you think that MORE these people would have benefited if it was directed towards those without the resources.
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These people as in Bumiputera right?

What do you mean without resources?

Like money and discounts as resources?
and entrance to Uni as without resources?
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post Nov 8 2020, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 8 2020, 10:15 PM)
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No, you did not answer anything. What has needs based or race based policy got to do with whether poor ikau meet akun or not, or jibeh meet gonolon or not, or hashim meet ahmad's daughter or not?

And why do you think needs based tongkat means no MARA schools and scholarships to uni? You have comprehension issues or what?

And my wealth status is irrelevant to the discussion. Coz I do not qualify nor need any tongkat assistance. But I do know there are some ah chong or ah kau who are poor like beggars and they definitely need tongkat assistance. So how?
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i believe that you having a hard time understanding English

Sekarang aku cuba cakap bahasa Melayu sebab kita semua boleh faham kan? Sebab apa bantuan kepada bumiputera perlu digunakan dalam satu kaum? kaum kat negara ni semua nya tinggal dalam kelompok masing masing. Masing masing ada struktur dan hierarki dalam masyarakat masing masing. Semua ada ketua masayarakat dan orang orang yang berpengaruh dalam memberi pendapat atau bantuan dalam apa saja bentuk. Sebab itu kalau Si Miskin Akun hanya ditolong oleh kerajaan, dia tidak mungkin mampu melangkah jauh disebabkan dia tiada bantuan dari dalam masayarakat dia sendiri. Sebab semua orang dalam masyarakat beliau adalah miskin. Kalau diberi bantuan kepada seluruh masyarakat yang miskin dan berada, ada kemungkianan yang berada akan membantu masyarakat dalam komuniti Si Miskin Akun dan secara langsung membantu menaikkan status keseluruhan masyarakat. Orang berada seperti Orang Kaya Ikau selalunya mempunyai kemampuan untuk mengambil pekerja untuk membayar gaji mereka. Kun faya kun, Walhal Orang Miskin Akun tidak mempunyai kemampuan ataupun kemahiran yang dimiliki oleh Orang Kaya Ikau. Golongan Fakir tidak mampu mengubah status masyarakatnya jika semua orang di dalam nya papa kedana. Hanya dengan memberi bantuan kepada semua golongan dalam satu masyarakat, mereka mampu membantu sama sendiri dalam mengubah status diri mereka. Dalam ertikata lain, dengan hanya membantu golongan miskin sahaja tidak akan dapat mengubah status dalam satu masyarakat. Golongan berada perlu dalam memberi kerjasama yang diperlukan dan ini tidak bermakna kaum berada tidak memerlukan bantuan.


 

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