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post Nov 8 2020, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(Oklahoma @ Nov 8 2020, 02:08 PM)
Yup, in other words, just shut up and live your life, stop nagging life is unfair.
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I did not say you need to shut up.
You have every right to say your opinion as long as there is tolerance.

You don't eat beef in front of a Hindu or eat pork in front of a Malay because you tolerates their belief, right?
But no one is stopping you to consume whatever you want in your own space, right?

If you just argue for the sake of arguing and won't be involved in a proper discussion,
then,
you are not practicing your right as a civilian.

You can be friends with others who does not share the same opinion with you, why make them your enemy
and fill your life with hate?

If you see corruption, you can report to MACC.
If you see a crime, you can report to the police.
If you see someone making a false remark, you can educate them about the truth.

But simply saying you've given up on things and everybody is wrong is just not right in anyone's mind.
I don't wanna you to be sad, depressed or having thoughts on migrating.

All I am saying is you should not make money as your only goal in life.
Focus on your relation with another human being instead.
A life with a good relationships is a life fulfilled.

judas
post Nov 8 2020, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 01:46 PM)
Yes it is fair.

Who said about other poor people needed to die?
We have Jabatan Kebajikan Masyarakat, Baitulmal (non muslim can apply)
and many more govt and NGO bodies to help them.

You are propagating here that the Poor Non Bumi should not be helped?
It is a false accusation.

And why I think this is fair?
This graph from this study explains why

Population shares of ethnic groups in each percentile, 2002 (pre-tax national income)
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Until we make the line between red and blue horizontally flat (red group have more rich than poor compared to blue group and vice versa),
we will not achieve racial/religious unity that is 100% essential to our economy.
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this was 2002 la dude. and is focussing on the rich not the poor.
U see below, cina, india, bumi all got poor people. cina 16% India 9% = 25%. Bumi = 75%.
apasal budget semua bumi allocation kasi 99% bumi dapat? 1% budget kasi 25%. tenkiu

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post Nov 8 2020, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(Eurobeater @ Nov 7 2020, 03:50 PM)
Aiyah, we all know is liddat rd. But what to do? Too many people don't want to let go of their "privileges" coz they directly or indirectly benefit. Money now is better than money later even if the latter can be many times more
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If me also I won’t let go... can only be good, cannot be bad.. I would have better chance to enter uni, if I perform above average, I think can go quite far in GLCs already.... I wish I had bumi status... guarantee I won’t let go even if I know other elites are taking more... next generation only let them sort out themselves lor ...

People that say only helangs benefited are just sour grapes


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post Nov 8 2020, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 02:03 PM)
Be tolerant to people who does not share your skin color, beliefs or political party.
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Seriously, this is so hypocritical. On 1 hand you say be tolerant. On the other hand, you're advocating racial discrimination

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post Nov 8 2020, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(scorptim @ Nov 8 2020, 02:23 PM)
On your first bolded, you think if ALL bumi gets to enjoy those privileges still got so many b40 bumi nowadays?

The bumi policy mainly only benefits the rich bumis, those who do not have connections don’t really get anything.
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Yes. All bumi gets the them. That's the policy. As long as you are bumi, it's automatic.

Implementation wise, it may benefit the rich bumis more, but, the core concept is, the policy applies to ALL bumis.

Why so many b40 from bumi? You gota ask bumi themselves.

If i tell the hard truths nanti kang certain quarters butthurt
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post Nov 8 2020, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 7 2020, 02:46 PM)
I've said it before:
Prove me wrong, change my mind
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antara sebab,
tak nak umno,
tak nak pas,
tak nak pn,
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post Nov 8 2020, 02:36 PM

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So many arguments, as Chinese non bumi malaysians that was borned and grew up in this country, i feel grateful for me, myself and my next generation for not having such privilege or tongkat, because of this drive me to work harder and compete at different level, without having to depends on governments help. Parents often tell us, as a non in Malaysia, you need to work harder.
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post Nov 8 2020, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(scorptim @ Nov 8 2020, 02:21 PM)
Again read what I said and go check urself, the funding that goes to you is mainly from the state govt not federal. Yes you still get to study in IPTA, but try getting any federal govt grants, how many Sabahan or Sarawakian manage to get that?

Colonialism? Bro that’s over 60+ years ago, we already had NEP for how long and spend how many tens of billions to improve the bumi economy, so why still so many poor bumis? Where did all that money go for so many decades? Funny la you.
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I am a Sarawakian. I know.
I met Sarawakian who builds the huge mall in KL, those towers in Damansara, plays golf with PM and Obama etc.
Who are you bullshitting that Sarawakian does not have privilege?

I went to MRSM and have MARA scholarship to Uni. My classmate/unimates are non Muslim Sarawakian.
I work for government for 10 years before. My colleagues are non Muslim Sarawakian.
I have non Muslim Sarawakian classmate/housemate who now works with our government in New York

The list goes on and on. Stop with your lies

To answer your next question, yes because there are a lot of poor bumi that until the late 90s sees their life being changed by NEP that was initiated in the 70s.
But what halted the progress?

Communism.
We basically started building our country back after they surrendered in 1989.
That is where the whole money and policy really taking effect
We are a bit halted in 1998 due to political and economical unrest
but we are still growing strong today

Plus
I did a long Poor and Rich Malays example a few comment back. It takes generations to change a status of a self segregated community. (check my long answer 3-4 comments back)

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post Nov 8 2020, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 02:37 PM)
I am a Sarawakian. I know.
I met Sarawakian who builds the huge mall in KL, those towers in Damansara, plays golf with PM and Obama etc.
Who are you bullshitting that Sarawakian does not have privilege?

I went to MRSM and have MARA scholarship to Uni. My classmate/unimates are non Muslim Sarawakian.
I work for government for 10 years before. My colleagues are non Muslim Sarawakian.
I have non Muslim Sarawakian classmate/housemate who now works with our government in New York

The list goes on and on. Stop with your lies

To answer your next question, yes because there are a lot of poor bumi that until the late 90s sees their life being changed by NEP that was initiated in the 70s.
But what halted the progress?

Communism.
We basically started building our country back after they surrendered in 1989.
That is where the whole money and policy really taking effect
We are a bit halted in 1998 due to political and economical unrest
but we are still growing strong today

Plus
I did a long Poor and Rich Malays example a few comment back. It takes generations to change a status of a self segregated community. (check my long answer 3-4 comments back)
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How many of them are there? Heck even Chinese and Indian also got a few that work in govt depts la. That doesn’t represent the whole community.

Oh so now blame it on communism since your earlier argument on colonialism didn’t work? Simple question la, where did all the billions go to if not to the pockets of only a few elite bumis?
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post Nov 8 2020, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(judas @ Nov 8 2020, 02:28 PM)
this was 2002 la dude. and is focussing on the rich not the poor.
U see below, cina, india, bumi all got poor people. cina 16% India 9% = 25%. Bumi = 75%.
apasal budget semua bumi allocation kasi 99% bumi dapat? 1% budget kasi 25%. tenkiu

user posted image
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So you are dismissing this study as invalid due to it being 18 years old?

secondly,
look at our racial demographic population.
Bumi and India sounds about right because we got 70% bumi and 9% Indian roughly,

Shouldn't Chinese be 24% instead of 16%?

So in other words, Chinese have less poor compared to Bumi and Indian

Thirdly,
Since there is Bumi allocation for Bumi policies, then by right it should be given to Bumi
Right?

If not, by your logic
Then if there is a Sarawakian allocation for Sarawak, a Selangorian should have a piece of it?
Or an allocation for Sabahan should be share by all Malaysian.

Now I understand why people in the West always a wanna a piece of Sabah and Sarawak.
Even though there are allocations to each and every citizen and state given every year.
That is why we are still underdeveloped compared to the West.
The West have been songlaping our money to build their MRT, PLUS, KLCC and KLIA with our oil and gas money
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post Nov 8 2020, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(jueiri @ Nov 8 2020, 02:31 PM)
Yes. All bumi gets the them. That's the policy. As long as you are bumi, it's automatic.

Implementation wise, it may benefit the rich bumis more, but, the core concept is, the policy applies to ALL bumis.

Why so many b40 from bumi? You gota ask bumi themselves.

If i tell the hard truths nanti kang certain quarters butthurt
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The concept does not reflect the reality. The so called govt grants for bumi businesses hardly goes to the poor bumi although the concept is to help poor bumis, most go to party members of the ruling party. The only thing that bumis get is Education wise ie spot in IPTA. Even then most of the good scholarships like those going overseas etc goes to those with connections. That’s the reality.
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post Nov 8 2020, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 02:47 PM)
So you are dismissing this study as invalid due to it being 18 years old?

secondly,
look at our racial demographic population.
Bumi and India sounds about right because we got 70% bumi and 9% Indian roughly,

Shouldn't Chinese be 24% instead of 16%?

So in other words, Chinese have less poor compared to Bumi and Indian

Thirdly,
Since there is Bumi allocation for Bumi policies, then by right it should be given to Bumi
Right?

If not, by your logic
Then if there is a Sarawakian allocation for Sarawak, a Selangorian should have a piece of it?
Or an allocation for Sabahan should be share by all Malaysian.

Now I understand why people in the West always a wanna a piece of Sabah and Sarawak.
Even though there are allocations to each and every citizen and state given every year.
That is why we are still underdeveloped compared to the West.
The West have been songlaping our money to build their MRT, PLUS, KLCC and KLIA with our oil and gas money

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And who do you think did this if not your beloved govt that are doing so much to “help” bumis?

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QUOTE(scorptim @ Nov 8 2020, 02:44 PM)
How many of them are there? Heck even Chinese and Indian also got a few that work in govt depts la. That doesn’t represent the whole community.

Oh so now blame it on communism since your earlier argument on colonialism didn’t work? Simple question la, where did all the billions go to if not to the pockets of only a few elite bumis?
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I work for federal government in both Selangor and Sarawak for 10 years. There are lots of Sarawakian here in my PJ office.
One of them is the head of (our expertise) department. But then Sarawakian wants to go back where home is.

In my work place i can say it is 65% Bumi and 35% non Bumi in PJ and in Sarawak, it is close to 60-40% (we have no indians)

Secondly, you ask 2 sets of different question.
one is why the Bumi have so many poor and one is why NEP changes their economic statues.

If you learn history, colonialism is the reason why most country are poor and slow to progress.
Look at the middle east, that is what colonialism did to the region.
Intellectuals are killed, the native are suppressed in education and their wealth is plundered and destroyed.
You can learn what French did to Algeria for a more in depth study of effects on colonialism

If you know about economics, things that will affect it is political instability. Hence communist insurgencies (not CCP ideology per se) halted our progress in rural area.
That is why we need stability to help the economy grows.
That also includes racial stability.
Why does Japan, Korea and Singapore have in common that makes them progress economically?
Racial unity (one major race in power)
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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Nov 8 2020, 12:29 PM)
It made millionaires out of 0.01% of bumis.

Not a scam.  Sekian

To ensure the other 99.9% of bumis become millionaire..just pump in myr 10 trillions  more .
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Yes, for another 100 years at least. If stil kenot reach wealth equality, then repeat with extra $10,000,000,000,000 for another 100 years.
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I is suppork more tongkat given..becos i wan to see more b40 olang kite
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QUOTE(scorptim @ Nov 8 2020, 02:49 PM)
And who do you think did this if not your beloved govt that are doing so much to “help” bumis?
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One person
Mahathir
He have been hating Sarawak from early on.

Only Najib (sadly it is him as an example) that helped building Sarawak back on their feet
With highways and bridges and other things to help Sarawakian in development.
And Mahathir have to fuck up things again when PH is in power

For decades we have been fighting for our oil and recentl
Now that he is gone
We have our oil rights back and Shell is moving all of their offices to Sarawak exclusively.
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QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 02:57 PM)
I work for federal government in both Selangor and Sarawak for 10 years. There are lots of Sarawakian here in my PJ office.
One of them is the head of (our expertise) department. But then Sarawakian wants to go back where home is.

In my work place i can say it is 65% Bumi and 35% non Bumi in PJ and in Sarawak, it is close to 60-40% (we have no indians)

Secondly, you ask 2 sets of different question.
one is why the Bumi have so many poor and one is why NEP changes their economic statues.

If you learn history, colonialism is the reason why most country are poor and slow to progress.
Look at the middle east, that is what colonialism did to the region.
Intellectuals are killed, the native are suppressed in education and their wealth is plundered and destroyed.
You can learn what French did to Algeria for a more in depth study of effects on colonialism

If you know about economics, things that will affect it is political instability. Hence communist insurgencies (not CCP ideology per se) halted our progress in rural area.
That is why we need stability to help the economy grows.
That also includes racial stability.
Why does Japan, Korea and Singapore have in common that makes them progress economically?
Racial unity (one major race in power)
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No it’s one question why after over 50 years of NEP and tens or even hundreds of billions allocated still so many poor bumis. Don’t go changing my question to fit your narrative.

You wanna blame colonialism, then what about Singapore? Why they manage to grow to where there are now?


QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 03:05 PM)
One person
Mahathir
He have been hating Sarawak from early on.

Only Najib (sadly it is him as an example) that helped building Sarawak back on their feet
With highways and bridges and other things to help Sarawakian in development.
And Mahathir have to fuck up things again when PH is in power

For decades we have been fighting for our oil and recentl
Now that he is gone
We have our oil rights back and Shell is moving all of their offices to Sarawak exclusively.
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Wait, you mean Sarawak already got back 20% oil royalty? When did that happen?
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QUOTE(scorptim @ Nov 8 2020, 03:11 PM)
No it’s one question why after over 50 years of NEP and tens or even hundreds of billions allocated still so many poor bumis. Don’t go changing my question to fit your narrative.

You wanna blame colonialism, then what about Singapore? Why they manage to grow to where there are now?

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Precisely. Really facepalm at some ppl can blame the earth and sky until british colonialism for bumi development/agenda (which was created post 1969 and nothing to do with the brits) being a scam
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post Nov 8 2020, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 02:47 PM)
So you are dismissing this study as invalid due to it being 18 years old?

secondly,
look at our racial demographic population.
Bumi and India sounds about right because we got 70% bumi and 9% Indian roughly,

Shouldn't Chinese be 24% instead of 16%?

So in other words, Chinese have less poor compared to Bumi and Indian

Thirdly,
Since there is Bumi allocation for Bumi policies, then by right it should be given to Bumi
Right?

If not, by your logic
Then if there is a Sarawakian allocation for Sarawak, a Selangorian should have a piece of it?
Or an allocation for Sabahan should be share by all Malaysian.

Now I understand why people in the West always a wanna a piece of Sabah and Sarawak.
Even though there are allocations to each and every citizen and state given every year.
That is why we are still underdeveloped compared to the West.
The West have been songlaping our money to build their MRT, PLUS, KLCC and KLIA with our oil and gas money
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Back to the subject. u say cina is 24%, but only 16% of cina is poor. no need help the 16%, because they are cina? then why tax take from cina and other race as well?

Second, u say bumi needs help because 75% is bumi.. more poor bumis compared to the rest. Then population of indians are lower than 9% but got 9% poor is indian, but why gomen only allocate 0.2% budget2021 to help the indians?

We expect country to be racist, but budget dont be racist la.
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QUOTE(1designs @ Nov 8 2020, 02:13 PM)
I think what TS is trying to say here is that, the tongkat policy is heavily flawed and corrupted. Common sense will tell you, after so many years, you see little to no effect, something is wrong with the policy.

Also, I applaud the politicians to have played the race and religion card so well, it blinds the typical Malaysians from seeing the actual truth. They think as long as it helps the "malay", then it's all good.
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yup, precisely. But at least we can take heart most get it here with the exception of a few shitstirrers who likes to eat cheap dogfood and 1 east malaysian racial discriminating bigot who thinks it is fair to deprive the other poor malaysians even if east malaysian bumis gets more than their portion all in the name of racial "fairness" and "racial/religious unity"

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