I want to work and study locally, since i saw UTAR fees quite cheap and will help with my financial situation, but idk if the degree is recognised or is it worth 5 years of my life to study
I need some professional advice so i wont choose the wrong path......
My dream of going into forensic science has been foiled becuz well, I've seen the comments on this website, so yea it sucks to be a student without a clear path....
(I want to specialise in radiology btw)

Any recommendations are open so it can guide me better

When it comes to medicine, I always believe university doesn't matter.

Most important is your own determination and ability to succeed. Yes, you can pass and graduate, but you need to have the toughness to complete housemanship and be prepared for long posting wait-times.

So yeah, if you want to compare UTAR or whatever universities. I would suggest go for the cheapest option when it comes to medicine. When patient go to private hospitals, nobody bothers to ask to see specific doctor from [insert whatever uni] anyways.

When you study any degree course, most important is the govt recognition of the study. As for utar, I think it is, but do check the govt web.

If you are not sure of what is required or what lies ahead, try talking to someone qualified relating to your interest as I believe, he is the right person to advise you.

Hopefully the right person can answer you here.



This post has been edited by mini orchard: Nov 6 2020, 11:31 PM

oh..didnt know UTAR has MBBS...

Well now you know

I see Russian grad I scared. Even Indian also a bit scared. I think Malaysian uni grad better then them

No degree is useless, all come down to u.

Same here. 👋. As long as it is recognized by mohe then should be alright.

U missed out Indonesian grads.
And yes. Malaysian uni grad is better then the above.

As a medical practitioner myself, I don’t think we should judge an specific university (or country per se) just cause of a few rotten apples. However if TS were to choose a local uni, you’ll definitely adapt better to the local hospitals you will be working for during housemanship. Adaptations towards working SOPs, terminologies, working culture will be crucial. However, studying overseas does have its perks. Better exposure, a “different” perspective to medicine. Hey, it’s a once in a lifetime thing amirite?

Also TS, are you sure you want to be a doctor considering the fact that you won’t be granted a permanent position? You will be hired on a contract basis only. A contract termination by the MOH, looming.

This post has been edited by drumstix: Nov 7 2020, 08:16 PM

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This post has been edited by kurangak: Nov 7 2020, 08:22 PM

I know should not categorize by country. Just that last time read news say they got money got pass. Plus they study in mother Russian language.
I guess at the end those still practicing would have passed their housemanship which means should be good enough.

grad from Moscow, Egypt, Indon. Yea, shud ne abit sceptical. Even from India is better.

that's not true
i know many people who look at a doctors' degree before seeing them
thats why doctors always state their degrees on their name plaque, outside clinics etc

Is not only for medicine but other courses too ... many students wanting to enter UM/UKM as 1st choice if the course is available instead of others

1. Academic qualification

If you are a 3.8-4 STPM student then by all means go ahead. If you are an average student (like me), don't even bother.

Let me give you some stats in IMU

Every year, fresh intakes of medicine students are around 300

At the end, only 50 or so students graduate


2. Motive

I wonder if you are really suited for doing medicine when you said you wanna take Radiology, a specialization that have little patient interaction

Don't need to lie, I have a friend doing medicine and his main objective for radio is the good pay and isolation

If you want job security, forget it, medical grads are saturated as fuck right now

Other than local unis, you still need to compete with private (IMU, MAHSA, UTAR, PERDANA and even some subpar university that I never heard before is offering medical degree nowadays) and foreign uni grads (Russia, India, Indonesia)

Even if you get your housemanship, its contract based, and after 2 years, they will evaluate whether to take you in as permanent staff or not, from what I heard, its difficult because turnover rates are low

Radiology is a specialization, you need to be selected to join a masters programme in local uni (private does not count). Again, you need to compete again for specialization.


3. Financial

I am not sure about UTAR, but a 5 years medicine course in IMU cost right now 500k myr.

Perdana is around half of it at 250k.

These are still extraorbitant amount.

If you are thinking of taking PTPTN, max I think was 60%, leading to around 150k loan, you still need to fork out around 100k for the fees

Now on the 150k loan

There is a 1% FLAT RATE per annum based on your original loan meaning that if you split over 15 years of payment, you need to fork out 22k of interest

And you need to repay close to 1000 per month for 15 years to clear your debt

For housemanship, you get paid around 4k, after paying your ptptn loan monthly you are left with 3k a month

Source : https://codeblue.galencentre.org/2019/12/27...-below-juniors/

3K A MONTH FOR ALL THAT SHIT YOU GO THROUGH

TOPKEK

Conclusion: Medicine is a shit degree, it WAS good years ago, same as pharmacy

Today era, if you want to earn money, computer science is the way to go

Fresh grad programmer = 7k basic pay

Disclaimer: I am not a medical grad, but these are what I observed and having doctors as friends. If actual doctors can correct me, I would be happy.

Not worth it. Difficult to specialize as specialty only recognized by kkm. Now so many doctors quit selling insurance and health produxt

Tbh im not a computer guy, ive been thinking of taking up a job as a researcher what's your view on that.

If you have the 'PI' genes in you and enjoy seeing what is below the surface.

well you don't need a medical degree to be a researcher, any STEM fields will do

as on a researcher life, do u like to spend ungodly hours in the lab and write papers all the time? your work is fueled solely by your motivation and not renumeration.

for me, i am sick of lab work, however, i like the analysis part, therefore i choose to specialize more to computational biology, especially when in mco period, lab are closed, but i still can continue on my project because its all computational work

Can you explain further on your point I don't quite get it

If you like 'investigation' work, research suits you....finding out why, how, where etc

So bad ah now medicine ? even with covid require more medical staff ?

remind me of last time when people say how glory job to become lawyer and airline pilot

now so hard to get into this 2 profession.

But 250k at Perdana costs, ain't that bad. I heard my friend who send his daughter to study at Accountancy degree twinning with british university at sunway already costs 200k.



This post has been edited by Maria Takagi: Nov 9 2020, 08:59 AM

Hi can I ask how would one go to specialise in computational biology? Such as the skills and qualifications needed etc. How is the job prospect? Is any postgrad education necessary? Thanks in advance.

also ts sorry for hijacking your thread

t. final year biotech undergrad

This post has been edited by mimpingeri: Nov 9 2020, 09:04 AM

if you willing to go up until PHD, then u can be researcher/ lecturer.

if not, forget it. too much competition and so little space these days.

MBBS, yes any UNI will do, people don't care much which uni you came from. As long as you have the attitude for it. Instead of worrying what UNI would look better in the plaque of your practice place in the future, try to think whether you can survive housemanship or not. no joke. its damn tough.

This post has been edited by reed90: Nov 9 2020, 09:15 AM

If uni is not important, why do U try to maintain their ranking or to go up.

Is like saying, all employers are the same !

Is like saying, all doctors provide same treatment !

Just wondering.

Otherwise, parents wont bother to send their children to a 'good' public school !

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Nov 9 2020, 09:57 AM

Doctors are always required, but gov would rather spend money elsewhere instead of healthcare. That’s why you always hear houseman overworked and underpaid.

Well you get what you paid for, personally I feel imu mbbs is top tier amongst private in Malaysia. Perdana well, there’s a reason it’s half priced compared to IMU

I think overworked housemen are universal

I remembered I have a friend who did same in Singapore, he told me he worked at hospital 72 hours in a row, didn't go back home to sleep, went into one of the rooms with makeshift beds to have short mini sleep then go back to work.

I can’t answer that directly because the pathway is different for everyone.

Because it’s not fixed, the best you can do is by making yourself as relevant as possible.

You can try with a postgrad in bioinformatics or related subfields

Skills, I would say coding is a must, and an ungodly amount of googling skills and logical thinking.

Job prospect depends on how you market yourself.

Yes. It is a ridiculous culture.

Not to mention the constant harassment by senior doctors because “suck it up we go through the same thing as you, so we get to do the same thing to you”

That’s why you hear so many young doctors suicide

there is also rumor of sexual harassment for favors (not gonna say which profession). Dunno whether true or not.

last time these professions, people die die chase for glory.

now they are all closed : lawyer, pilot, doctors, architects.

better pick up new skills for the dawn of digital era.

I see marketing field, copy righters can pick up 20k and above salary

This post has been edited by Maria Takagi: Nov 9 2020, 10:55 AM

got it, thanks

Looks like our children will be seeing more of Bangla doctors in the future.

Even in MLT and biomedical science?

I have plans to take up MLT or biomedicine bit im not too clear about the pathway

Yes. my friend MLT. so hard to get a job, n even after you get in gov so hard to get transfers. if u got , u most probably would be thrown away to ulu-places. Not sure how it is for private, tho.

biomed..unless you're gunning straight for masters/PHD.. good luck. degree biomed not much value there.


MBBS actually your best bet. Just tahan that 2 years housemanship, and if dunwan gov, go open a GP or something. Got deddikasi, go further in private specialist courses. If not, pharmacy oso ok. what is important is your license. If u dun wanna work in gov, your practice license is valuable for private sectors in the sense that you can go to industry, open up shop, and so many more.

no nd future

I already see a lot of Pakistani n middle east doctors

pharmacy also not so gud anymore

see many have to slog out weekend kerja at big pharmacy, AA pharmacy, Caring, etc.

By the way big pharmacy a lot of leng lui, I purposely go one to see got one big busty specky amoi pharmacist with blonde dye hair but don't her around these days, alamak.

I am seeing more in ppum now.

Yet some forumers are in denying mode and reported me.

MLT is the worst career choice ever

Even 10 years ago, turnover rate was so high in the bp lab I interned in

Pay after 10 years still remains the same - +- 1800 per MONTH for degree holder and even in COVID times, some fuckwit MLT company still DARE to put out job listing for 10 MYR / HOUR. 10 MYR/Hour to risk myself in covid infection? No thanks.

Heck you don't even need a degree to do MLT, a diploma would do

All I can say is, you are still young, still got time to explore what you wanted to do in future

Your career choice right now will change in the future

I went from wanting to do medicine to taking biomed then after grad change to wanting to do molecular biology (biotech) with my masters focusing on that, phd project a totally unrelated field from molecular biology and finally to my current career choice of doing data analytics post phd (still haven't grad yet).

It took me close to 10 years to decide on what I wanted to do, but I didn't regret any of my choice because it took me eventually to what I am satisfied of now.

10 years ago, you tell me to do computer science, I would answer the same as you did. Heck, I skipped all my bioinformatics lectures during my degree time, but now I am doing bioinformatics.

The difference is that in Singapore, you only get treated like shit (actually not really also, from what I hear from the Singaporean half of my study group) for only one year. In Malaysia, it's two.