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AVFAN
post Oct 30 2020, 09:43 PM

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for interested parties:

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Gloves in demand for hospitals facing shortages due to COVID-19: Premier
https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/hospitals/...ovid-19-premier

Trump admin is 'woefully behind' in stockpiling medical gloves as Covid-19 surges
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1245298

Asian rubber prices soar on supply woes, COVID glove shortage and China tyre demand
Read more at https://www.todayonline.com/world/asian-rub...ina-tyre-demand


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post Oct 31 2020, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 31 2020, 11:37 AM)
windfall taxes?
Don't think would happen anytime soon...
Why? Because it's effects many especially politician & their family.... Also royalties (if u know what I'm talking)

One of the many reasons why the previous 22mth government falls....

On another note...
Possibility of GST making come back...
As for gloves...
Good $$$ from previous rally...
Thanks Covid 19 💰🤑
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windfall tax possible during normal times but most unlikely at a time like now.

it will force the big boys to invest new outside (they are already); may kill the smaller/emerging ones.

why f a sector that is doing so well and now already paying super taxes to u?

kill the goose that lay golden eggs?

after killing this one, what else is there to pay hefty u taxes?!
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post Nov 1 2020, 10:46 AM

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i think below is a fair assessment:

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LATEST TARGET PRICE ( Revised ):-
HARTA = RM20.00
TOPGLOV = RM12.00
SUPERMX = RM12.00
KOSSAN = RM10.00

TOPGLOV
Support found on :
1st RM8.56
2nd RM8.00

SUPERMAX
The support level
1st RM9.40
2nd RM8.30

https://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/spartan/2..._OR_TO_SELL.jsp

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Supermax: Analyst Briefing Slides Q1 FY2021
https://koonyewyin.com/2020/10/31/supermax-...ides-q1-fy2021/


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post Nov 6 2020, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(Taikor.Taikun @ Nov 6 2020, 11:22 AM)
Baffling to see the angst on new comers to the glove manufacturing industry. Our existing glove companies cant meet demand. Orders r fully booked n paid high deposits until end of 2021. Factories running full swing on 3 shifts also cant expedite the delivery. And global glove demand is increasing by 15% after this pandemic.

Many of these new comers r not really new. Most of the new glove factories r managed by glove players n workers in the industry.

This industry should rightly grow. New comers r inevitable n ought to b welcomed. We dont become world leader in glove by chasing away a natural build up.

The gov can help this industry by helping to make/provide cheaper raw mats to the industry. Win win for all
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it is true demand > supply now, esp nitirile... much less so for natural latex.

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The global demand for nitrile gloves has reached 585 billion this year, according to the Health Industry Distributors Association, but manufacturers are only capable of producing 370 billion at current levels -- a nearly 40 percent shortfall.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1245298


newcomers can find a place in the industry if they do all the right things and the demand stays strong after 2022.

won't be easy... cmco, foreign workers restrictions, nitrile supply shortage/cost rising, automation, FDA 510k/other certification, etc.

the big boys took >30 years; UG heatlhtcare, VIP gloves are very small ones - there are reasons why they struggled to survive for many years.

as investors, we do our homework, do our best to pick the "right" ones; big or small, old or new.

QUOTE(theberry @ Nov 6 2020, 11:55 AM)
All are short term opportunist

Glove companies like cash rich supermx can venture into tech already making high tech medical equipments.
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the big boys have a very big advantage - they now have RM1-3bil cash each on their balance sheet.

they have lots of opportunities and possibilities now - venture into other healthcare, automate further, launch more premium products or acquire other biz.

this is a rare and unique time for them - hope they don't waste it!

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post Nov 6 2020, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(knumskul @ Nov 6 2020, 05:11 PM)
Big players have so much money now to expand further. Barriers to entry for new comers. Many don't realise the big players already had expansion plans in motion before covid happened. They had slowed down expansion plans due to supply glut + supply growing faster than demand pre-covid.

Big players say a factory takes 2-3 years to be fully operational from scratch. If true and big players' expansion were already, for example, 50% completed in December 2019 it may look like they expanded within 1 year only.

Plus when supply > demand, the weak will close shop. There was a consolidation in 2011-12 where many were pushed out of the market. This could happen again when demand falls and competition gets tough.
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well said.

i will say BIG barriers to entry.

the big ones will pull further ahead while laggards and weak new entrants will wither.

the wild card in the PPE biz is how soon an effective vaccine will become available to 7.8 bil people on the planet.

assuming no other virus or bacteria will make new major threats.
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post Nov 6 2020, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(CoronaV @ Nov 6 2020, 05:37 PM)
If with windfall tax how much TG will pay?what about supermax?
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no such tax.

big 4 will donate rm400mil to gomen to fight covid19.

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Contribution to battle Covid-19
Four glove manufacturers - Top Glove, Hartalega, Supermax and Kossan have committed to contribute RM400mil to battle Covid-19, including bearing the cost of the Covid-19 vaccine and health equipment.
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2020...t-2021-liveblog

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post Nov 6 2020, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(CoronaV @ Nov 6 2020, 05:58 PM)
Bearing cost of vaccine and health equipment? How does that account for?
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meaning the 400mil is meant for all things fighting covid19.

tax deductible.

400mil... maybe that will help pharma cos. make some profit.

sounds very fine for me.

if u hold any big 4 glove, u shud feel good about next week.


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post Nov 6 2020, 07:04 PM

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can anyone confirm?

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Good news: no windfall tax
Better news. Voluntary donation to help combat covid. Breakdown below

*Total RM500mil donation*
Top Glove RM150mil
Supermax RM100mil
Harta RM90mil
Kossan RM60mil
Total from Big 4 : RM400million

100million from other listed companies :
1. River stone RM40mill
2. UniGlove RM25mil
3. Careplus RM25mil
4. Rubberex RM10mil

Grand total: RM500million
https://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/glovehari...indfall_tax.jsp


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post Nov 6 2020, 07:16 PM

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QUOTE(knumskul @ Nov 6 2020, 07:12 PM)
https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/top-...t-fight-covid19

TG figures don't tally with that. But close.

Voluntary, or deal to stave off windfall tax? biggrin.gif
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yea, close enough!

gotta be a negotiated deal.

both sides seem smart.

if one side force their way, bad for all...
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post Nov 6 2020, 09:16 PM

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this should be real:

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When contacted by theedgemarkets.com, Top Glove said it is donating RM185 million to the fund, while Supermax will be chipping in RM75 million.

Meanwhile, Hartalega said in a statement that it will be contributing RM90 million to the fund.

“This is a corporate social responsibility initiative by Hartalega to make a positive difference in the lives of Malaysians and support the nation’s healthcare sector,” it said.

Their total contributions amount to RM350 million.
https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/top-...il-covid19-fund


kossan 50mil?

the smaller players not in this thing, i wud think.
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post Nov 15 2020, 11:03 AM

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some good info and glove data in this global research report - players, types, forecasts...

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The disposable gloves market size is expected to grow at a CAGR of over 14% during the period 2019–2025.

https://www.researchandmarkets.com/reports/..._exec=chdo54prd


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post Nov 18 2020, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(honsiong @ Nov 18 2020, 03:26 PM)
See this, even during covid their masks don't fully cover their nose. I won't be surprised if their gloves are tested positive for covid abroad, it's going to be scathing for Top Glove.
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u can learn something more if u search and read to understand the whole manufacturing process, esp the stage "chlorination".

 

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