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TSfriedricetheman
post Oct 26 2020, 01:45 PM, updated 6 months ago

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I have just found out that modern Grand Seiko Movements are mostly unfinished on parts which are not visible through the see through caseback. This is quite a disappointment since GS is trying to match Rolex in price and a lot of their fans claimed that GS is high end and on par with Audemars Piguet, Patek Philippe and Vacheron Constantin but at a lower price point.

If they want to increase their prices, at least make sure all parts are finished equally.

Photos are taken from Watchuseek High End forum.

This is the movement plate for a Grand Seiko GMT.

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And below is the movement plate for a Breguet 5177.

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The biggest slap in the face is that an equivalent Breguet can be had for around the same price as a Grand Seiko in the preowned market due to massive depreciation on Breguet watches.
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post Oct 26 2020, 01:47 PM

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post Oct 26 2020, 01:48 PM

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When did GS claim to be on par with AP, PP and VC?
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post Oct 26 2020, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(friedricetheman @ Oct 26 2020, 01:45 PM)
I have just found out that modern Grand Seiko Movements are mostly unfinished on parts which are not visible through the see through caseback. This is quite a disappointment since GS is trying to match Rolex in price and a lot of their fans claimed that GS is high end and on par with Audemars Piguet, Patek Philippe and Vacheron Constantin but at a lower price point.

If they want to increase their prices, at least make sure all parts are finished equally.

Photos are taken from Watchuseek High End forum.

This is the movement plate for a Grand Seiko GMT.

[attachmentid=10653958]

And below is the movement plate for a Breguet 5177.

[attachmentid=10653959]

The biggest slap in the face is that an equivalent Breguet can be had for around the same price as a Grand Seiko in the preowned market due to massive depreciation on Breguet watches.
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Why you compare hand polish vs machined polished laugh.gif
Breguet banyak machine polished mark
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post Oct 26 2020, 01:48 PM

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post Oct 26 2020, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(swks26 @ Oct 26 2020, 01:48 PM)
When did GS claim to be on par with AP, PP and VC?
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On watch forums. Watchuseek High End forum especially.
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QUOTE(daijoubu @ Oct 26 2020, 01:48 PM)
Why you compare hand polish vs machined polished laugh.gif
Breguet banyak machine polished mark
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from some one who purely purchase for story telling, what u expect ?
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post Oct 26 2020, 01:50 PM

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When I buy a car, I don't care if the pistons and camshafts are not polished. Likewise my watch, phones, computers, etc.
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post Oct 26 2020, 01:50 PM

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This is the first time I heard claim that GS is on par with VC, AP and PP.
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post Oct 26 2020, 01:50 PM

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How can Grand Seiko be on par with Vacheron Constantin?

Who made that claim? Very sure Seiko themselves knows that is not real and will not be making that claim.
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post Oct 26 2020, 01:51 PM

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GS kills it with its dial and case finish. Super crisps and unreal lines overall..

What kills it for me is GSs subpar bracelet, something you'd expect better of from that price point. The reason rolex is well sought after is, you guessed it. The bracelet.

Sure the movement might not be well decorated, but from an engineering standpoint, spring drive is one of the pinnacles of horology.

I don't think the movement finish is really an issue when there's blaring issues like their bracelet. They still make surreal looking watches though.
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post Oct 26 2020, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(daijoubu @ Oct 26 2020, 01:48 PM)
Why you compare hand polish vs machined polished laugh.gif
Breguet banyak machine polished mark
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https://www.fratellowatches.com/photo-repor...o-breguet/#gref

You sure bro? Your eyes need to be checked or not? People already confirmed that it’s handfinished.
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post Oct 26 2020, 01:52 PM

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post Oct 26 2020, 01:52 PM

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Here as a machinist thought why the 2nd picture look like not finished surface one
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post Oct 26 2020, 01:52 PM

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Ts tak mampu..Ler tu.. kecoh jer
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post Oct 26 2020, 01:52 PM

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Seiko company wouldnt claim dat , maybe fanboy claimed ..
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post Oct 26 2020, 01:52 PM

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dumb people still collect watches after smartphone era? hahaha

sounds like people who still play golf or petangque when most of the people gone cycling already as a high-end sport

This post has been edited by Nachiino Etamay: Oct 26 2020, 01:53 PM
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post Oct 26 2020, 01:53 PM

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seiko box can fetch RM4k wo
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QUOTE(friedricetheman @ Oct 26 2020, 01:51 PM)
https://www.fratellowatches.com/photo-repor...o-breguet/#gref

You sure bro? Your eyes need to be checked or not? People already confirmed that it’s handfinished.
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Hand finished on the case and dials yes la, but the movement picture you post, those round circular marks. Those are from CNC machining, without additional processing.
Those are common marks on CNCed parts.

Heck even GS' photo has it if you see closely, but they seem to have another layer of processing after that


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How much is the expensive GS model?

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