Doctors number already exceed originally planned target. 1doctor to 454 Malaysians now
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2020...-exceeds-target

33 LOCAL MEDICAL SCHOOLS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_medic...ols_in_Malaysia

Only 25% ppl visit dentist. 8% in Penang. 1dentist to 2963 Malaysians now
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2020...ttering-concern

More than three private dental clinics within a 10km radius.
Besides 13 LOCAL DENTAL SCHOOL, the Health Ministry also recognises 130 foreign universities and allows their graduates to practice in Malaysia. In 2019, there were more than 3,000 registered dental students in Malaysia, as recorded by the Malaysia Dental Student Association.
https://www.thestar.com.my/opinion/letters/...e-right-reasons

This post has been edited by zxcv96: Sep 21 2020, 05:23 PM

Just ordinary job with ordinary pay scale.

Engineering even worst than those 3...

What job is not ordinary and paid high? Depends on the individual lah, only the minority can outperform becoming the outliner, 90% are average , no matter what courses they studied
All the jobs are the same, university served the purpose to grow graduates to work for the society

There are. Paid highly easy job money.

Anyway, you are true paper qualification is a means to prepare many to join workforce at average pay.

You know what the world needs more? Lawyers. /s

My dentist just robbed me RM2k.

Bright Future.

Engineering degree can transition to other fields
Medical doctors OTOH...

Lol, bro doc, only need to wait for calll to get job 1st year close to 5k
I'm eng, but since its a specific one, no jobs liao

Can go SG

But in government their pay scale progress is slow. At age of 30 around 8.5-9k only. Only when they jump to private there is a huge huge jump

Still easier to get a job if you start from the bottom mang

All jobs are oversupplied la.. those business grads even more so.

The options for graduates from local private and some public universities are limited - Singapore recognises only UKM and UM, and only since 2007. Twinning degrees eg as offered by IMU are not recognised.

SOURCE

This seems a sneaky way to get local Malaysians to study in SG and get stuck serving there if you ask me.

Actually not really - it's not like they are opening spaces for Malaysians to study medicine in Singapore.

Really? Actually anecdotally I have lets see 3 schoolmates who studied medicine there and serving there. I believe they took the Asean scholarship route and on scholarship for A levels.

Ah, those are a different kettle of fish - Singapore loves talent - esp. those on ASEAN scholarships. But, the vast majority of applicants for medicine are locals. There's less than ½ a dozen places allotted for Malaysians wishing to pursue medicine at NUS per cohort of 300. That's how competitive it is.

Yeah but transition not as easy as you think unless it's related like electronics to software.

Also demand in engineering field change roughly every 5 to 10 years.

Civil -> Electronics -> Chemical -> Software(?) -> ?

Lack of doctor job mostly due to abundance of medical degree but not to the extend of engineering degree.

Also the demand is always there whether people like it or not.

This post has been edited by HolyValkyrie: Sep 22 2020, 11:14 AM

It's not that we have enough. It is because the govt don't have the money to employ them..

yes, its oversupplied now.

but the demand is there. you gotta look for places that are not yet filled with people. i know some friends making good money by opening up their services in the interior/ulu parts of malaysia. what is valuable is your license to practice. after that, its up to your initiative already

Reduce the intake. Ohwai...those private med school need certain number intake to maintain the cost.if not .better closed and those lecturer will jobless

It's because the government doesn;t want to tax those 1% that hold the 99% wealth. Instead they tax the 99% that holds the 1% wealth.

For average tier pay, there're more foreigner with engineering in SG but there're more foreigner with those three for top tier pay.

Simple logic, no matter rich or poor people gonna grab every available chance they have to prolong their life but not so for engineering.

This post has been edited by HolyValkyrie: Sep 22 2020, 11:31 AM

No it's not. I have a schoolmate working as a registered clinical psychiatrist in Singapore who graduated from a twinning medical programme. The local partner school for that programme is Penang Medical College.

Perhaps he came over with a specialty (eg the MRCPsych) - the basic degree from a twinning program is not registrable according to the SMC website, but that will not come into play if one has a post graduate medical degree from a recognized college.

a friend i know sighing for his RM500/day night shift locum at private clinic.
he just finish his housemanship.
dunno if he bullshit or not tho.

I think that explains it. He does have an MMed from NUS and MRCPsych from the UK.

Yes, that's the explanation. Once you have your higher qualification, your basic degree doesn't become an issue anymore.

So the trick is to get a private basic MBBS and then get a post graduate qualification from either UM or UKM before coming to Singapore. Another friend of mine did that, minus the part of coming to Singapore.

This post has been edited by blackie19: Sep 22 2020, 12:33 PM

Locum rates can vary depending on where one locums and what experience or specialty one is in. For example, a consultant cardiologist standing in for a primary doctor on leave is expected to command a far higher rate than a medical officer locuming in a GP practice.

They'll have to check whether the postgrad degree from UM or UKM is recognized or not. Recognition of the basic MBBS is different from recognition of specialty degrees.

My friend fresh grad civil engineering starting celery 3.3k SGD

bullshit la night shift 12 hour isit? 12hour I believe

Average salary.

is it safe to say Malaysia has lots of medical graduates for GP but is lacking in medical specialists?

but they are recognising 10+ chinese universities

damn

Almost all GP takes specialist now, doesnt make a difference in the next 5 years

stop studying medical, dental, pharmacy, engineering due to over supply.

Then what should the young people study now? IT?

The govt should build more public hospitals as we have no lack of doctors. Unfortunately the govt seems to think that private hospitals can share the load. As their fees go up every year they will reach a point where they are unaffordable to the middle class even with insurance. Then load sharing will be illusory. We may reach the situation in India where public hospitals are grossly inadequate and private hospitals are grossly unaffordable.

Software engineering, business & finance or just start retail. Study not really useful now, start an online business. Just how many engineers change profession into selling insurance,grab, F&B. These healthcare workers are next.

This will surely happen.

This post has been edited by zxcv96: Sep 22 2020, 05:29 PM

Business la...high risk, high return

Study stem course end up work for others. While those go study culinary,bakery,hairdressing,mechanic open own shop become boss.

IMU twinning degrees were recognised in Singapore for both dental and medical until this year.
It's not easy these days and I know for a fact in Singapore they pay more for local graduates ~10k SGD for freshgrad dentists. Foreign dentists get about 5-8k. What about medical doctors?

I wouldn't know. My time was nearly 30 years ago. I'm an oldfag.

Ini ada future

Err, you know this is serious /k or not?

Kopi luwak isn't even indigenous to malaysia. Kek.

When i say interior is the interior parts of sabah and sarawak. People these days seems to be focusing on KV region but there's a region out there who still lacks their pharmacist/doctor/dentist to people ratio.

is there enough wealth & patients density to generate high revenue?

Oversupply buto. More to flooded with average fuckers that want an easy life. Typical entitled brat that think coz he does medic, he must have a place in gov.

If you performed well, not only medical. Other fields also comes looking for you la dey.

its all because of bad policing and control of medical schools. Go study in a country that has better regulation and stay there. Even in Australia it's not easy anymore. Many have to go to rural areas. In aus you're looking at 80-120k per annum. After 30-40% tax your take home is probably bang average.

Malaysia is churning out 1000+ dentists a year like rabbits. Sadly the population is not growing at the same pace.

This post has been edited by C-Note: Sep 22 2020, 08:13 PM

dentist ? its more like a hobby, somebody sit tight, pay you to abuse them, it sure 1 of the best job.

The AUD120k pa is for junior officers.

If no ppl going to study this, so who is going to treat you in the future?

Are dentists akin to pilots? Not too complicated job, more hands on practical type so long day to day see the typical routines which is the case.

Good money, no office politic, no climbing stupid career ladder, no meetings, no bootlicking, no forced travel, no retrenchment, no overtimes, no taking work home, prestige

What Im proposing is reduce the uptake of doctors, dentist and pharmacist in our country... Stop pumping out these graduates because market demand isnt that great anymore. Allocate different talents to other field.

Dentists deals with patients' furry, meticulous, skimpy, nego, angry patients everyday. And risk to be sued for negligence or incompetence.. If you decide to open your own practise, there is alot to prepare bacause you are your own boss. Hiring dental assistants, equipments and inventory check.. Private dentists work normally 6days a week, minimum 9-6pm. It is not as carefree as a pilot, whose stress just need to focus on manning the plane, safely departing and arriving.

Per subject, just wonder those graduate in pharmacy whether local or 2+2 program can't get any pharmacy related job in Malaysia ?

It is part of the economy cycle related to supply & demand. The supply & demand cycle is not stagnant & it is dynamic. Oversupply now doesn't it will over supply the next 5~10 years.

My personal opinion, just proceed to study what you are interested. After you enter the market, you just have to fight for the survival in the tough environment.

deleted. double post.

This post has been edited by nihility: Feb 21 2022, 05:57 PM

Which local collage or university is great for pharmacy ? Someone suggested if collage then Taylor and Nottingham. If local U will be UM or USM.

Appreciate for comment.

See which helangs get license to run medical school, no proper planning.

Few years back chiropractor is very good
nowadays too many chiropractor graduated from IMU and foreign uni
only good one can do well nowadays as the industry become competitive