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post Sep 23 2020, 02:36 AM

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QUOTE(fzrnhkm @ Sep 21 2020, 01:06 PM)

Also, i genuinely don't understand the gaffer's issue with Hudson-Odoi. Sure, he's inconsistent in performing but that can be due to lack of game time given to him. Why not let the kid play every now and then and see how it goes..? confused.gif

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There is nothing to talk about CHO consistency when he does not perform at all when call upon. How long has CHO with CHE already ? Of all his cameo appearance, i dont remember even once that he make an impression. His attitude in the pitch does not help either. He have to be loan out so he can play regularly.

I will field MOUNT any day over CHO, MOUNT have more to offer, more pressing and running. On the latest match CHO play, he cant even do a winger job properly, he dont make run on the channel to drag the fullback wide and creating space. All he do is just sit at RM position and when he receive the ball, he dont run at defender either, then he will make a square pass. When he dont get the ball, he whine too.



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post Sep 23 2020, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(syazwan @ Sep 23 2020, 08:30 AM)
Mason Mount vs Liverpool

90 minutes
-0 Goals
-0 assist
-0 shots on target
-0 key passes
-0 duels won
-1 shot off target
-2 dribbles completed

Also.the comparison for CHO over his latest match is bit off since he only play 10 mins and we had 2 goals lead.
I remember werner's run ..dribbling..movement more than mount on the flanks vs pool.
Just ridiculous. Starting Mount on the wing ahead of CHO because of workrate pressing and running instead of the actual contribution on the field.
This is similar to Jose starting Oscar, Willian ahead of KDB, Salah.

Fans are not happy when kante is playing attacking instead of dm..but its ok for mount due to his workrate?
Kai on the wing oso orang marah padahal member tak main full 90 lagi. Glaring.
I have no agenda against Mount. He was poor as well. Simple
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The game i mention is the BRIGHTON frenly where CHO play for 70+ minute. To be fair MOUNT and CHO operate differently, this could be LAMP tactic/formation. MOUNT/TIMO will cut into middle even on paper they start as winger which that could be also because their nature instinct as AM and CF. While CHO like to stay wide as true winger. If is not tactically then that will really looks bad on CHO where an AM get ahead on your winger spot. As a bench player, u have to impress when are giving the chance, but so far to me CHO didnt, and REECE did and that why he is on the way to be our starting RB.

I will not say KDB/SALAH are better than OSCAR/WILLIAM at that moment, but i think KDB was comparable to OSCAR but definitely SALAH are behind WILLIAM.

On LIV game where we got outplay badly obviously the stats does not looks good. Only TIMO has a good game, while KAI and MOUNT was poor. In midfield we have KANTE which i think did a good job on winning the ball and together with KOVA, both of them are comfortable to dribbling the ball forward if space permit. JORG suppose to be the pass master behind like FAB/PIRLO but he never did the forward pass enuff. With the overload middle employ by LIV there is no space for KANTE/KOVA to drive the ball forward and with JORG they are press badly. That why i think playing GIROUD will be better at LIV game, at least CB can do a long ball instead of recycling pass with KEPA.




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post Sep 24 2020, 10:20 AM

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Seem like TAMMY have improve a lot on this vision of the pitch. Would like to see starting line up like below,

TAMMY/GIROUD
TIMO KAI PULISIC
MOUNT KANTE
CHIL SILVA ZOUMA REECE
WILLY

Btw anyone wanna rate CHO performance last night ?
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post Sep 24 2020, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(zoidx_chung @ Sep 24 2020, 10:52 AM)
I will give CHO 4/10
every attack stop/delay when he received the ball
he tried to impress but fail 99
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CHO progress have stall, a loan move will benefit him a lot.
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post Sep 24 2020, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(pikafaded @ Sep 24 2020, 12:25 PM)
Don't forget we have signed Ziyech too haha
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base on the first match ZIYECH play for us, i think he is a more true winger that like to stay wide, that why i prefer TIMO & PULISIC that like to cut inside and go into the box so full back can occupy the wide space. Even last season we have problem where most of the time only GIROUD/TAMMY in the box while everyone is outside and this make it easier for opponent to defend as they just need to mark the single CF. If u notice when MANC attack opponent that have park the bus, they will have 3 attacker inside the box.
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post Sep 24 2020, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Sep 24 2020, 03:34 PM)
Anyone watched the mourinho special episode on netflix?

Cant deny the man still the only one who won 3x for chelsea even though it became sour taste after the 2nd round sacking. laugh.gif laugh.gif
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what is the title ? share pls wub.gif wub.gif wub.gif

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post Sep 24 2020, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(zoidx_chung @ Sep 24 2020, 09:18 PM)
Pep cant get him, now Arteta wanna get him


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unless is for some big money, else dont think is wise selling to our rival bruce.gif bruce.gif bruce.gif
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post Sep 27 2020, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(syazwan @ Sep 27 2020, 10:49 AM)
100% agrees with point no.1  this is not a fking preseason anymore where u wan to try out the positions. Also its not like we are desperate with injury crisis.
Itu lain cerita la kalau dah takde winger sangat.

When i speak abt CHO vs Mount as a winger last week, i'm in trouble. laugh.gif

Its very glaring how bad not just defending but attacking as well when we were 3-0 down.  James was forced to throw some of the worst crosses from his record last night because practically he needs to deliver very very unnecessary early crosses. Why this happens? It doesnt takes a tactical genious to figure it out.

When the right flank wasnt a natural winger...there was no body to drag the opponent defensive shape to stay wide or to drop further behind near the touchline. This limits james spaces to deliver good crosses. Either u force early crosses..or u play it back to the middle as there is no winger waiting out wide..
If REECE drag a fullback to mark him that is a correct play already, that leave space for wide forward to go into the box and get the attention of opponent CB to free up the striker. If u see all REECE crosses, he does not like run to byline and cross, his good cross are mostly early cross with power and slight curve. Just like LIV and MANC play, their winger does not stay wide at opponent box. Else it will back to same old 1 CF in the box vs all the defender.

But its okey since the workrate running chasing yada yadaa so CHO must be bench lorh.
It not just because of MOUNT workrate that CHO is bench, u did see him start the game before yesterday right ?. How does CHO perform ? another fans here give him a review of 4/10 in a game we dominated and trash our opponent. TAMMY started on the same game and i believe his performance earn him yesterday start. Yes CHO performance was good yesterday, he should get the chance to start next one. Whoever that is perform should start, else is just wasting space.

Mount looks clearly much much better 2nd half when he plays in his original position. And im sorry that was his only best play so far this season (he play all 90mins in all games so far?).  shocking.gif Again, Im not being critical or agenda towards Mount...but fairplay to Mount, manager kena jaga anak emas and kena named him in first 11 lorh.
Yes, agree MOUNT play better at AM, more space for him to roam. About the anak emas, to be fair to LAMPARD, like for like for MOUNT replacement i can only see BARKLEY, not KOVA not RLC, they both does not play as aggressive. LAMPARD even played RLC at winger in the pre-season instead of CHO.

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Also the statement where our fullback play too high yesterday, it could because we are 2-0 down due to 2 player mistake, naturally we are chasing the game that is why we have to take risk by playing fullback higher. Even the 3rd goal was a set piece and not because of high fullback.
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post Sep 27 2020, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Sep 27 2020, 01:30 PM)
It's normal players make mistakes, only reason we conceded is that we played such a high risk play with players played out of their positions

We concede a lot under lampard, have you ever noticed?
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Yes, we have been poor in defending since last season. But i would not blame last game draw due to high fullback. But i do agree if we going to play high fullback, KANTE have to stay back to form 3 defensively instead of still going forward. Once everyone get back to defending position only he move forward to press and try win back the ball.
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post Sep 28 2020, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(syazwan @ Sep 28 2020, 09:18 AM)
This is a good discussion / exchanges by the way.
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It wasnt fullback who mark recce to begin with. It was their flanker. Which is why recce has to play it early cross or play it again on the middle.
Otherwise he needs to try past 2 WBA players (flanker and fullback) to put in a decent crosses.
This is a stat from squawka football:
Crosses attempted in the first half of West Brom vs Chelsea:

◉ Reece James (12)
◎ Every other player on the pitch combined (5)

He created more chances (4) than any other player on the pitch.

This is not a coincidence isnt it? But how many crosses from him was good. We are talking abt someone who has the brightest attribute of crossing in the team by the way.
2. If CHO was bad in previous games then im not sure how u rate mount performance in all 90 mins(iinm?) of 4 game  he played so far. Even in this thread ppl are being critical abt him bro. Not me..on twitter..forums etc. Everywhere.
Fact is CHO play only 10 vs Brighton in PL and 1 full game vs barnsleh.
Since u bring this argument in..im not sure how lampard fact check his analysis  of using RLC too on 1st eleven. Which analysis that he refers to? To even force Mount and Kai on the flank (vs Brighton of 1st match. )
His analysis of RLC playing winger during pre seasonn then play him in the middle on 1st game. Not sure what logic is this?

P/s our pre season is horrible with only 1 game. Manager only has that 1 game to test fitness..formation etc. Not lamps fault on this. I believe liverpool manage to play atleast 3 preseason game. (+1 CS) which is why i never bring argument abt preseason. Its entirely for different purpose and with only 1 match of preparation
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Ya there is practically no pre-season for us this year, even worse is that we need to integrate so many new players. I believe there still will be tinkering to find player best position on the field. KAI is good at AM with his hatrick performance and then the link up with TAMMY too, but fans demanded TIMO to play at CF, which maybe LAMPARD will give him another go. Will we consider that tinkering again ? But i still fancy a link up/holding CF like TAMMY/GIROUD, as i think TIMO is more like a poacher, run at defender type of forward which he need to receive a good long pass to unlock defender, which i dont expect to see from KANTE/KOVA. Therefore best bet is link up 1 2 play with CF.

I rate MOUNT performance as average, but i would say again he bring energize and pressing to the team. In order for formation/tactic that play high on the pitch, pressing is very important. And to do pressing correctly u have to all player do it together, means if opponent have the ball, u have to have at least 3 ppl pressing it, 1 on the guys having the ball the other 2 press on potential receiver to cut out the pass. CHO was too lazy, if pressing was not done as a team, then is like one play monkey chasing the ball. I would even start RLC at winger if is not MOUNT, that is how bad i rate CHO.

But of course CHO did good last game, so if he start next game, i think he earn it. My point is simply, whoever perform he get to play. Actually i also dont mind BARKLEY rotate with MOUNT/KOVA, he dont dribble much and i like his direct play a lot.

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QUOTE(zoidx_chung @ Sep 28 2020, 08:58 PM)
Lampard:

- Mendy and Chilwell in squad
- Pulisic and Ziyech still out for now, but progressing well.
- Wouldn't be drawn on Rudiger exit
- Another head coach not impressed with the handball rule. #cfc
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Actually did i miss out anything about RUDIGER ? why suddenly he not in contention of first eleven ? i think he is better than AC4 at least not as error prone. Cant wait to see MENDY in action.

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post Sep 30 2020, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(syazwan @ Sep 30 2020, 07:06 AM)
Need to fact check after tonight. Some revision needed.
U will be "surprise" to see how easily Mount is the worst player on the pitch ystday

For me..its not surprising as i have seen it coming. He looks jaded. 5 games off full 90s. Out of gas. It is like 11 vs 10
time and time again his average performance is being covered up by his so called pressing.

Not going to blame him but it is what it is...there are reasons why people tagged him as anak emas
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First of all i believe u get me wrong, i am not defending MOUNT of anything, is simple, to me, whoever perform start. If MOUNT is not good he dont start, but that not up to me, i am not LAMPARD, i dont get to see what he do on training, he is not my fav player or "anak emas" ppl call it.

The thing i disagree is, oh we have a winger CHO, why dont start him if we dont have anyone natural in that position. At the time what i see CHO is lazy/bad (after all the appearance/cameo he have for us) so i would prefer MOUNT or even RLC to start ahead of him. It could even be tactically if LAMPARD does not want to play with a natural winger. Same again, if u not good u dont start.

After a good performance by CHO the other game, he start again this match, that is fine with me and i think he deserve it. This match to me, he is average, but is fine as long as not lazy/bad level.
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QUOTE(zoidx_chung @ Sep 30 2020, 09:51 AM)
conte and mou different from lampard
board didnt support conte and mou in transfer market during 2nd season while they support lampard, but we can argue lampard got trasnfer ban in 1st season

ancelotti wise, i dont think his 2nd season is flop
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I dont think that is how CHELSEA operate already, cant really say board dont support CONTE/JM and support LAMPARD now. To me it make no sense that RA will support LAMPARD with 200m transfer kitty for his unproven record as manager. Is not like LAMPARD guided us to 2nd in league/final of CL and just need some final push to lift the trophy.

CHELSEA now run more like a business. With the transfer ban, HAZARD left and aging player WILLIAM/PEDRO/AZPI, we are only left with youngster and no core player. Board feel it need to reinvest on the team to compete for CL football = money. If LAMPARD cannot get good result, they will just hire a new coach/manager as long as we have good player/worker in the squad.

When CA get sacked, we finish 2nd at the league, definitely will not call flop. Seem like RA have an eyes on AVB already that time.
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Wow loaning out BARKLEY sound like a really bad move. Ya would prefer RLC to go on loan rather than BARKLEY. Is LAMPARD doing a favor for JT ?? Seem like is gonna be,

MENDY/WILLY/KEPA

REECE/AZPI - SILVA/TOMORI - AC4/ZOUMA/RUDI - CHIWELL/ALONSO/EMERSON

KANTE/JORG - KOVA/BILLY

TIMO/CHO - KAI/MOUNT - PULISIC/ZIYECH

TAMMY/GIROUD



If both went out on loan, LAMPARD better prove he is ready to play BILLY.

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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Sep 30 2020, 09:56 PM)
Wait, what? Timo as winger?

And mount not good enough to be playmaker
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just trying to fill and see whether we have 2 player at each position. of course we have player than can play multiple position.
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QUOTE(fzrnhkm @ Sep 30 2020, 10:17 PM)
This. I believe playing werner as winger seem to lock his true potential. He definitely could play at the wing (as havertz do) but we wouldn’t get a glimpse of their true potential imo

My best XI would be 4-2-3-1:

Mendy
James Zouma/Tomori Silva Chilwell
Kante Kovacic
Ziyech Havertz Pulisic
Werner/Giroud

Right now, our most expensive signing this window would not flourish when his natural spot is being occupied by anak emas. And i somehow believe the gaffer knew this

And one other thing.. kante

Read somewhere a debate saying lampard wants rice as kante is not fixed to his DM position (should he play there) and likes to move forward to attack.

Imo.. if lamps ask him to stay and defend, he would stay. Not sure what’s the problem there. He’s world class in that position, and we’re looking for rice. Such a waste, no..?
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RICE can play CB/DM but doubt LAMPARD will play him as CB as we are overload already. DM then most likely he will compete KANTE spot. I think LAMPARD formation he would like to play a defensive CM rather than a pure DM like KANTE. Yes KANTE is best at winning the ball but a lot of times i see after winning the ball and going forward he seem lost, cant shoot cant find the correct pass. RICE seem more balance in defending and attacking (base on youtube of course, as i dont see WH game), he seem comfortable bringing the ball forward after winning the ball.

To me RICE is not a priority but if can get also not bad, he is english and CHELSEA graduate so should help in CL quota. If he is good maybe open the possibility of selling JORG/KANTE.


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Callum Hudson Odoi Taking Personal Training Outside Club In Bid For Chelsea Spot

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hope he made it.
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Oct 3 2020, 04:35 PM)
Rudiger is good la, under sarri with him, kepa... i think we were one of the best defensively?

Have no idea what is lampard problem with rudiger...
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heard is about his contract that is expiring and he havent decide to re-sign.

QUOTE(zoidx_chung @ Oct 3 2020, 10:55 PM)
Alonso is striker
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false left back/deep lying left striker tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif

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post Oct 4 2020, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(zoidx_chung @ Oct 4 2020, 11:37 AM)
Werner and Abraham fight for penalty, but Dave step up and give the ball to Jorginho, no more Barkley incident bruce.gif
My captain! thumbsup.gif

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Yeah, spot on decision by AZPI thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif , as both CF is fighting to take the penalty, he take it and give it to designated taker JORG, so no infighting between 2.

I think if is just TAMMY asking for it instead of 2 player, JORG might just to let him take it since we are leading 3-0 with little time left. Also i like how other player, console TAMMY after JORG score the pen.

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QUOTE(syazwan @ Oct 19 2020, 09:31 AM)
Ive repeatedly said the same thing.
Lampard CANT do anything below than Sarri.

Other than that , its unacceptable.

He achieved top 4 (without hazard ok la i pejam sebelah mata) but this season there is no googoo gaagaa about this thing anymore.

He needs to deliver.
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Give credit when it is due. The pejam sebelah mata is a bit harsh, LAMPARD definitely hitting above target last season finishing 4th.

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