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English Clubs Chelsea FC - The Shed V53A, EPL - Fulham 0 - 1 Chelsea

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post Sep 27 2020, 09:26 AM

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1. If Mount is playing, he plays through the middle. Simple as that. No more playing him at the wings. He is our omf, and that's that.

2. With Ziyech and Pulisic injured, CHO must start, to bring the natural width. Havertz + Mount as wide midfielders don't work. Would rather play 2 omf. And get the fullbacks to attack more. And instruct Kova and Kante to stay back and help covering them.

3. Werner should be playing up top, not as a winger or midfielder. At times in the game he was playing left, right.

4. Sort out the defense partnership. Why is Zouma not playing? He is our best defender in my books. Zouma + Silva for all games. Playing an error prone Christensen with a first league experience Silva, recipe for disaster.

5. Even if a peak Cech is playing for us, based on our current none existing defending, we will still concede 3. LOL!

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post Sep 27 2020, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(briantwj @ Sep 27 2020, 09:26 AM)
1. If Mount is playing, he plays through the middle. Simple as that. No more playing him at the wings. He is our omf, and that's that.

2. With Ziyech and Pulisic injured, CHO must start, to bring the natural width. Havertz + Mount as wide midfielders don't work. Would rather play 2 omf. And get the fullbacks to attack more. And instruct Kova and Kante to stay back and help covering them.

3. Werner should be playing up top, not as a winger or midfielder. At times in the game he was playing left, right.

4. Sort out the defense partnership. Why is Zouma not playing? He is our best defender in my books. Zouma + Silva for all games. Playing an error prone Christensen with a first league experience Silva, recipe for disaster.

5. Even if a peak Cech is playing for us, based on our current none existing defending, we will still concede 3. LOL!
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Agree with all your point except kante kova combo. Not working because both not discipline enough to sit at DM. Thats why we need DM. (Rice is the best answer).

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post Sep 27 2020, 10:49 AM

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100% agrees with point no.1 this is not a fking preseason anymore where u wan to try out the positions. Also its not like we are desperate with injury crisis.
Itu lain cerita la kalau dah takde winger sangat.

When i speak abt CHO vs Mount as a winger last week, i'm in trouble. laugh.gif

Its very glaring how bad not just defending but attacking as well when we were 3-0 down. James was forced to throw some of the worst crosses from his record last night because practically he needs to deliver very very unnecessary early crosses. Why this happens? It doesnt takes a tactical genious to figure it out.

When the right flank wasnt a natural winger...there was no body to drag the opponent defensive shape to stay wide or to drop further behind near the touchline. This limits james spaces to deliver good crosses. Either u force early crosses..or u play it back to the middle as there is no winger waiting out wide..

But its okey since the workrate running chasing yada yadaa so CHO must be bench lorh.

Mount looks clearly much much better 2nd half when he plays in his original position. And im sorry that was his only best play so far this season (he play all 90mins in all games so far?). Again, Im not being critical or agenda towards Mount...but fairplay to Mount, manager kena jaga anak emas and kena named him in first 11 lorh.


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post Sep 27 2020, 10:57 AM

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post Sep 27 2020, 11:11 AM

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Didn't watched 2nd half, luckily can get draw

Anyway, frankly speaking, Lampard really got no idea how to setup a proper defence.

Attacking parts he got idea but he sucks in defence shakehead.gif
He won't be long in hot situation if there is no one help guide him on the setup and maintain a proper defence

Game are won by attackers
But a shit defence cannot get us moving upward

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post Sep 27 2020, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(Iceman74 @ Sep 27 2020, 12:11 PM)
Didn't watched 2nd half, luckily can get draw

Anyway, frankly speaking, Lampard really got no idea how to setup a proper defence.

Attacking parts he got idea but he sucks in defence  shakehead.gif
He won't be long in hot situation if there is no one help guide him on the setup and maintain a proper defence

Game are won by attackers
But a shit defence cannot get us moving upward
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What to do...lampard want both our full back very attacking profile....even in barca or RM...coach only need 1 really attacking full back and the other side will be a bit more conservative and stay lower to support CB....
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post Sep 27 2020, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(zoidx_chung @ Sep 27 2020, 10:57 AM)
Dah cakap dah, it's lampard's fault
During the game already noticed the fullbacks pushing too far in opponent's half, leaving only two cb as defense

His system doesn't work cos rb/lb need to cover lots more ground compared to say conte's 343 system where alonso and moses were pure wingbacks but played in the middle (easier to go forward/track back)

Need a more balanced setup where def is not compromised in favour of attack

In 2nd half, lampard just went full retard and throw in attackers just to score. The fact we could level 3-3 is also because lucky only, cos west brom also suddenly mau park bus. Could backfire badly against a well-coordinated team


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post Sep 27 2020, 11:45 AM

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Either Lampard switch to back 3 or full backs dont push too front
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post Sep 27 2020, 12:23 PM

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Lampard need to learn from the best laugh.gif

But I think they don't see eye to eye after lampard said 'f off' to him on the field laugh.gif



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post Sep 27 2020, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Sep 27 2020, 12:23 PM)
Lampard need to learn from the best  laugh.gif

But I think they don't see eye to eye after lampard said 'f off' to him on the field  laugh.gif


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What happened on the field end on the field
He must learn from other, Pep, Klopp, Mou, Ancelotti etc
Even Arteta got clearer mind than him
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post Sep 27 2020, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(zoidx_chung @ Sep 27 2020, 12:30 PM)
What happened on the field end on the field
He must learn from other, Pep, Klopp, Mou, Ancelotti etc
Even Arteta got clearer mind than him
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Ur display change to sulking lampard la, cos he doesn't smile like that anymore laugh.gif
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post Sep 27 2020, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(zoidx_chung @ Sep 27 2020, 12:30 PM)
What happened on the field end on the field
He must learn from other, Pep, Klopp, Mou, Ancelotti etc
Even Arteta got clearer mind than him
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He's not understudy to any prolific manager
Came from championship, so mentality and quality also championship level haha
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some comments here are too toxic...
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post Sep 27 2020, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(dennis008 @ Sep 27 2020, 01:03 PM)
some comments here are too toxic...
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Check twitter bro, lagi toxic shocking.gif

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23lampardout&...ad_click&f=live
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post Sep 27 2020, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Sep 27 2020, 01:06 PM)
that place is a shithole.. why go there... go reddit la...
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post Sep 27 2020, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(dennis008 @ Sep 27 2020, 01:07 PM)
that place is a shithole.. why go there... go reddit la...
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Everyone thought west brom gonna be an easy win rclxub.gif

Cannot afford to lose the next few matches rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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post Sep 27 2020, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(syazwan @ Sep 27 2020, 10:49 AM)
100% agrees with point no.1  this is not a fking preseason anymore where u wan to try out the positions. Also its not like we are desperate with injury crisis.
Itu lain cerita la kalau dah takde winger sangat.

When i speak abt CHO vs Mount as a winger last week, i'm in trouble. laugh.gif

Its very glaring how bad not just defending but attacking as well when we were 3-0 down.  James was forced to throw some of the worst crosses from his record last night because practically he needs to deliver very very unnecessary early crosses. Why this happens? It doesnt takes a tactical genious to figure it out.

When the right flank wasnt a natural winger...there was no body to drag the opponent defensive shape to stay wide or to drop further behind near the touchline. This limits james spaces to deliver good crosses. Either u force early crosses..or u play it back to the middle as there is no winger waiting out wide..
If REECE drag a fullback to mark him that is a correct play already, that leave space for wide forward to go into the box and get the attention of opponent CB to free up the striker. If u see all REECE crosses, he does not like run to byline and cross, his good cross are mostly early cross with power and slight curve. Just like LIV and MANC play, their winger does not stay wide at opponent box. Else it will back to same old 1 CF in the box vs all the defender.

But its okey since the workrate running chasing yada yadaa so CHO must be bench lorh.
It not just because of MOUNT workrate that CHO is bench, u did see him start the game before yesterday right ?. How does CHO perform ? another fans here give him a review of 4/10 in a game we dominated and trash our opponent. TAMMY started on the same game and i believe his performance earn him yesterday start. Yes CHO performance was good yesterday, he should get the chance to start next one. Whoever that is perform should start, else is just wasting space.

Mount looks clearly much much better 2nd half when he plays in his original position. And im sorry that was his only best play so far this season (he play all 90mins in all games so far?).  shocking.gif Again, Im not being critical or agenda towards Mount...but fairplay to Mount, manager kena jaga anak emas and kena named him in first 11 lorh.
Yes, agree MOUNT play better at AM, more space for him to roam. About the anak emas, to be fair to LAMPARD, like for like for MOUNT replacement i can only see BARKLEY, not KOVA not RLC, they both does not play as aggressive. LAMPARD even played RLC at winger in the pre-season instead of CHO.

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Also the statement where our fullback play too high yesterday, it could because we are 2-0 down due to 2 player mistake, naturally we are chasing the game that is why we have to take risk by playing fullback higher. Even the 3rd goal was a set piece and not because of high fullback.
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post Sep 27 2020, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(chitchat @ Sep 27 2020, 01:24 PM)
Also the statement where our fullback play too high yesterday, it could because we are 2-0 down due to 2 player mistake, naturally we are chasing the game that is why we have to take risk by playing fullback higher. Even the 3rd goal was a set piece and not because of high fullback.
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It's normal players make mistakes, only reason we conceded is that we played such a high risk play with players played out of their positions

We concede a lot under lampard, have you ever noticed?

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post Sep 27 2020, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Sep 27 2020, 01:02 PM)
He's not understudy to any prolific manager
Came from championship, so mentality and quality also championship level haha
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I believe his mentality still strong
Or we can say some players failed him, those who made mistakes

Glad the team never give up until the end

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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Sep 27 2020, 12:34 PM)
Dah cakap dah, it's lampard's fault
During the game already noticed the fullbacks pushing too far in opponent's half, leaving only two cb as defense

His system doesn't work cos rb/lb need to cover lots more ground compared to say conte's 343 system where alonso and moses were pure wingbacks but played in the middle (easier to go forward/track back)

Need a more balanced setup where def is not compromised in favour of attack

In 2nd half, lampard just went full retard and throw in attackers just to score. The fact we could level 3-3 is also because lucky only, cos west brom also suddenly mau park bus. Could backfire badly against a well-coordinated team


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Yeah i feel at this stage conte is better than him biggrin.gif tongue.gif

But the top mgmt burn the bridge badly with conte edi. Lampard only thinking of attack but seem clueless when in transition when our team kena counter

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