Happy new year!

You've been up to date with your CES 2022 models, I see.

You may be in for a long wait though.

In my case, LG C1 was introduced just like how the TVs in your list are introduced, ....unveiled at CES 2021 in January 2021.

Had to wait till September 2021 for the C1 to appear locally here for me to buy, 9 months after CES of the same year. With countless emails wrote to LG Malaysia asking for release/launch date.

If you're okay with that, hunker down and wait. Maybe wont be so bad if the supply chain and chip shortage issues have recovered now, versus the shithole situation we had in 2021.

The Americans had it the easiest in term of wait time, they only had to wait till late Spring to get their CES models, talking historically in the case of the LG C1's release after it was unveiled in January CES 2021. They only had to wait till March/April 2021 for their C1s. Even Singaporeans got their C1 in late summer in June/July 2021.

The same was for Sony's A90Js and A80Js. I didnt keep track of Samsung's lineup releases in 2021. I went full bore into OLED. Tired of uneven backlighting issues in LED models. Never considered them anymore.

Malaysia no huge demand for quality models like these, even worse if you want the latest ones. You'll get pushed more on getting last year models, like how I was "encouraged" by TanBoonMing TBM, Desa Home, HarveyNorman & SenQ to get LG CX "ready stock" instead of waiting for my preferred C1. They're eager to get rid of their overstocked last year models. They'll even adjust the price around to encourage you to get last year stock or piling on premium on top of MSRP price for the latest models to make their overstocked units look like a good deal. Personally, once I set my mind on something I want, I dont budge till I get it.

Was lucky to get a great deal for LG C1 55" from Desa with freebies at launch. Was literally tracking the stock from its arrival at Port Klang, then counting days till it was delivered. They knew I was dead serious about getting the C1, despite showroom closed due COVID and all purchases being online only.

I wish you good luck with tons of patience. Need patience, 9 months wait is like waiting for your first born from pregnancy.

This post has been edited by KomradMikhail: Jan 6 2022, 09:37 AM

Still, I like that you're thinking ahead.

"get what you can afford".

That is a given, common sense. No amount of advise can make budget grow or TV prices shrink.

Question is, do you need to get a TV now? That will decide between getting a cheap TV now versus a better TV later.

Let's say you decide to wait for the new LG C2 or any good TV unveiled in this year's CES to launch here and the price is the same as when the C1 was launched here at launch.

If it happens like last year, it takes 9 months to get between introduction at CES to local release. You now have 9 months to save up enough to get a good TV.

9 months to save up. Doesn't look or sound that bad now, does it?

Or does not have to be an expensive OLED, though divided by 9months wait, that'll ease the burden of funding by dividing it between the 9 months wait, 9 months savings from salary saved. Just the question is, do you need to get a new TV right now, this very moment?

I lived with my dying 7 years old edge-lit light-bleeding LED TV, and I stretched that 7 years of suffering on a dying TV for a further 9 more painful months waiting for September 2021 launch of my C1 and that 9 months wait helped tremendously in saving up enough funds to get the C1.

It's not at all about having a silver spoon in your mouth, or being BN cronies, sometimes it's just all about stretching the wait time logically and planning purchase time smartly to get enough funds saved up from that time to buy a good/better TV rather than buying it now.

Not everything have to buy now. I waited a year to change the graphic card on my PC. In 2020 had to choose between getting a new GPU after 7 months wait or a new PS5. I chose the former and I end up waiting longer than a year for my PS5. Longer than anyone here who were already enjoying their PS5 as I was scrambling to get into waiting lists and F5-refreshing Sony's preorder page like a mad man. I refuse to give a single sen to scalpers. I can afford it at the time, I saved up enough with some extra, but I refuse to feed the scalpers on principle. If these scalpers see they can get away with slaughtering you by X amount of RM now, what's stopping them from slaughtering future buyers by 2X next time? What happens when that future buyer is you trying to get a PS6 in the future and people tolerate floating market prices like what's happening now? It becomes the norm, and people already accepted the wearing of mask and social distancing as the new norm. Do we want to accept padding RM500-1000 on top of MSRP as the new norm now? Where do we draw the line?

Good things comes to those who wait. It's just a matter of how you use that time you're waiting for wisely.

This post has been edited by KomradMikhail: Jan 7 2022, 11:50 PM

Agreed. 8.7K is pretty decent if they're from the reputable stores. Cursory search through Lazada & Shopee saw most of them at high 9K.

During my C1 days there were a few stores on Shopee and Lazada that were selling cheaper than the big chain ones, cheaper and got their stock earlier too. One store called Kronos location in Pahang, logo look like orange color circle. Then there's another store in Cheras. Was tempted to go with them, until the voice at the back of my head reminds me it's safer to go with the big chain stores. They stand to lose their reputation if shit hits the fan. These smaller stores with no track record can easily close shop and nobody even know if they're legit or not.

Took a look at Desa Home's current C1 55" pricing now, and it's still higher than my September 2021 launch price!

I guess my constant nagging them for the C1 stock info works, "here, take this C1, we'll throw you a good price and freebies, stop bugging us!"

Just kidding ya Jeanne of Desa Home, wherever you are. Love you guys <3.

This post has been edited by KomradMikhail: Jan 8 2022, 10:23 AM

Not much difference, slightly better brightness on C1 ( the same case will be between C1 and C2 later). Only difference I see is firmware & software updates, which includes better HDR tone-mapping graph.

It was unfortunate that wasn't the case for C9. Due to C9 using Chipset 018 + Switch chip to handle is Dolby Vision and high framerate video (see HDTVTest Vincent Teoh's excellent explanation here: https://youtu.be/7BjTdErfJI0 ), the C9 could not do Dolby Vision 4K120. May not matter if you're exclusively gaming only on PS5, since PS5 does not support Dolby Vision 4K120. Would only matter if you game on XSX and on RTX 3000 series cards on PC.

Either way, the CX is a good choice if you want to save up.

My personal policy is to get only up to one generation behind model if you choose to go that route. Example, forgo the C1 and go for the CX. Since it's already announced that the C2 is coming this year, I would only forgo the C2 and go for the C1. My reasoning is that, LG tend to slowly cut off support for older models once newer models are released. If there are some unforeseen defects, like the HDCP 2.2 bug as reported by Vincent again here: https://youtu.be/GI-ebazGJ4I , it will mostly take LG's priority to release fixes on more recent models. Hence why I recommend to only go back at least only one gen behind, to maintain support for updates.

If none of that matters to you, you dont care about 4K120 Dolby Vision gaming for example, and you're happy with 4K60 you can always go even cheaper by getting the A1 series OLED by LG. Careful though, they wont have 4 HDMI ports, only 3 ports, and only 4K60. Wont matter that much if you're only using PS5 or if you have an HDMI 2.0 4K60 capable AVR.

Just need to be sure you wont miss out on VRR (Variable Refresh Rate) features you wont get if you choose to go one tier down. If none of that alphabet soup means anything to you, you're probably not going to miss it.

ALLM (Auto Low Latency Mode) is thankfully included on the lower tier A1 models, because OLED panels exhibit low latency themselves by their nature of being OLED, self-lit pixels turn on and off so fast and so completely, OLED has the lowest latency out of all the TV panel technology out there. You hear the term GTG on PC monitors or standard TV panels, GTG meaning hoe fast the pixels on the panel go between gray-to-gray when switching between states, affecting latency. OLED has no GTG because pixel speed or pixel response is so fast, it's instantaneous.

Others can chime in for other TV technologies like QNED, QLED, QD-OLED, or other brand's offerings.

My ultimate endgame TV? Currently it's Samsung's 2022 Micro LED TV. But first I need to get a bigger house to fit that 89 inch behemoth (smallest size available), not to mention more saving up every month. Until then, I'm happy with my C1.

This post has been edited by KomradMikhail: Jan 10 2022, 11:44 AM

Cheap OLED TVs.....how bad could it be......right? Right?



There's only so much corners you can cut. The right move is to get in at the right feature-set and quality-set, at the right price.

What are those, you ask? That is why it's important to learn up and keep up with what technology, what feature set are included, and if it is paired correctly with the price.

In the end, it's NOT about price. Unless you're very loose when it comes to what you lose for those cheap prices.

This post has been edited by KomradMikhail: Jan 10 2022, 01:15 PM

It's a "moving target" unfortunately, due to the nature of how fast things progresses in the AV scene.

I still remember the time I was championing DTS for myself being a LFE-fan and bass-head , and then there was that custom assembled Samsung Mini LED nearly display 10 years ago that was either made for video billboards for high-end corporate clientele. To the point where 3 years ago Samsung Mini LED has shrunk down (from a video billboard size that is) to the size of.....a wall in your house. Purchaseable by billionaires with a fetish for all things techno-futuristic, but still not available to the common folks like us because of the price, and the power consumption (not to mention the real estate required to house a wall-size Mini LED panel).

Look where we are now? In 2022, Mini LED is now considered "Meh!" superseded by Micro LED!



Maybe by the time it becomes affordable to common folks like us, it'll be a Nano LED tech running 8K. The mind boggles.....

You may not even need a new AVR.

My AVR is only 4K60 capable. I use the eARC feature on the LG C1 to pass the audio from the C1 to the AVR via the HDMI eARC port, HDMI2 on the LG C1.

Connection-wise, it's whatever your source is, connect it to one of the 3 free HDMI ports (3 instead of 4 since one will be taken up by your AVR for audio return channel or ARC) on the C1. Make sure your AVR is connected to the HDMI port marked as the eARC HDMI port.

The idea is to leave the video data transmitted via your sources to go through the LG C1 unmolested and let the audio data return to your AVR. That way you get the full benefit of all your display is capable of, and not downgraded by the AVR. You're only letting your AVR process the audio data through the audio return channel ARC, your video remain untouched.

I used to think I need a new HDMI2.1 capable AVR. With how messy HDMI 2.1 standards now is, some AVR are marked as HDMI 2.1 but some features inherent to the 2.1 standards like ALLM and VRR are not even available, but marked as "available in future firmware update". I dont buy things based on future promises, I only get them once it is readily available and present. Since I'm only processing the audio on the AVR being pass through by the LG C1, and my AVR can already do what I need (DTS X & Dolby Atmos), I dont have to upgrade anything.

You will need to look up your own unique set of equipments to see if your situation requires anything differently.

Someone in my circle of friends has the JZ1000 and IIANM he was looking into upgrading due to the JZ1000 only goes up to 4K60. And he's heavy into XSX, not into PS5. And I quote him saying to me "want all the checkboxes ticked green on his XSX." I could always ask him, or ask him to come over here to describe his experience.

The JZ1000 is pretty good. I'd consider Panny models if they have a bigger presence, better distribution and stock availability. Panny also have released a proper 4K120Hz with working VRR update for their JZ series. . Better late but proper VRR than releasing a half-working VRR like Sony.

The Panny models are also the most accurate in terms of image quality, out of the box, without the need of calibration. Personally I'm not that hard into calibrating, I always add my own personal preference to the final custom user setting that results in color punchier image, hence not color accurate, not the flat PQ preferred by professional calibrators.

This post has been edited by KomradMikhail: Jan 11 2022, 05:30 PM

CES 2022 TV tech comparison: QD-OLED vs WRGB OLED vs Mini LED by Vincent Teoh of HDTVTest.



I use mine in a dark environment. My man cave is literally lit like a cave. Dark.
My WRGB C1 OLED can spotlight my man cave floor area enough for me to not requiring me to turn on the lights to navigate the messy cave to go take a piss outside the man cave.

Not sure if I need a brighter TV at the moment. Nice to have if I'm rich and I'm hanging these brighter TVs out in sunlight in the garden. *only to be stolen by opportunistic thieves*

Completely agree. I hold my defunct Panny Kuro in high regards............until it is obsoleted by the OLED tech. The Kuro used to be THE perfect black display, with warm color profile that current TVs with "Filmmaker Mode" defaults to. Too bad it's a power guzzler and ....heavy as f***! Not as heavy as Trinitron tube TVs, but still......

Did you get your JZ1000 from one of the big chain stores? If it is which one?

I cant find them anymore. No signs of the 2000 series either too.....but last I scanned retail stores online listings was until September 2021, when I've confirmed my C1. No point looking at other alternatives when I've decided to go full on into a TV I've shortlisted. It's like picking a Miss Universe winner, you filter all the pros and cons down to the minute details.........until you screw up the winner's name on the envelope!

This post has been edited by KomradMikhail: Jan 12 2022, 10:12 AM

4K60 at purchase a year back.

With the recent November 2021 firmware update, enables the 4K120 but still no 4K120 with Dolby Vision, only 4K60 if still want to do DV. 4K120 DV is not possible due to hardware limitation.

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subac...l&id=1637751601

As for MicroLED dream, it remains that..... A dream. Need Bitcoin to hit a million bucks for me to afford it. I still keep up with the tech, even if I cant afford it.

This post has been edited by KomradMikhail: Jan 26 2022, 08:01 PM

I'm only taking his word for it. I dont question when he got his JZ1000 nor am I being anal about the details. I'm into LG, he's into Panasonics.

It's more about him getting all the checkboxes in his XSX ticked off, including the 4K120 DV.



Not that it matters in this thread here, since PS5 doesn't do Dolby Vision and even less games on PS5 does 4K120 at the moment.

I'm ready for DV Gaming, should more games pick up the standard. The movement will begin first in the console space before trickling down to PC. Such as the three Battlefields (BF1, BF4, BF5) supports 4K120 with DV on XSX. Not my choice of games though. On PC, past Nvidia drivers used to support Dolby Vision, before they pulled it back from recent version of drivers. Games like Mass Effect Andromeda and NFS Heat on PC used to support 4K120 DV. Not with recent drivers. PC gamers pushing for drivers with more framerates over visual fidelity killed that.

This post has been edited by KomradMikhail: Jan 26 2022, 08:42 PM

Looks like I spoke too soon when I said earlier about no PS5 games running at 120fps, Uncharted Thief's Legacy Collection PS5 upgraded version does run at 120fps, albeit 1080p120fps on Performance+ mode, still not 4K120. Either way, My 10USD is ready this Friday for the upgrade. And I'm still waiting to get the same collection on PC when it releases, for the real 4K120.

Update to this. The USD10 upgrade to PS5 version is now online. Playing now. Fidelity at 4K30, Performance at 1440p60, Performance+ at 1080p120.

I tried Performance+, if I come from PS4 non Pro version, I'd be happy with the image quality, but I've been long spoiled by 4K120 on my PC, so I'm going to stick to either Fidelity or Performance mode.


This post has been edited by KomradMikhail: Jan 29 2022, 10:17 AM

In my case, used almost 10-12 hours on weekends, 5-6 hours on weekdays. Used for movies, for console gaming, and the most punishing? As PC monitor for my "Switch PC". Zero burn in. Bright and vibrant as the day it arrived last year September.

Cant go wrong with the C2. I cant say for long term review since I only got my C1 since last year September, but it has been a champ for me so far. I'm using it to watch streaming content, gaming with my consoles, and as my PC monitor. The PC monitor part should worry most OLED users, as the danger of burn in is more prevalent over static images, and PC desktop has tons of static image elements, no burn-in so far. The C1 cleverly shifts static element of images ever so slightly to combat burn-ins. And there's also auto-dimming and manual "pixel cleaning" you can initiate yourself. The C1 IIANM has a built in schedule of mandatory pixel cleaning once it hits 3000hrs of usage.

I guess it's a coincidence you mentioned your C7 which was released in 2017. Vincent had good luck with his 2017 OLED until now, no burn-in.



This post has been edited by KomradMikhail: Feb 3 2022, 03:03 PM

I wish you godspeed and good luck with your future TV purchase. The only way I'd return back to LED, is when MicroLED TVs are mainstream enough in price and market penetration. Will take sometime. I'm the opposite of your case, I've been burned (pun intended) by edge-lighted 4K LED TV I had since 2017 (coincidental again?) the Samsung JS8000, that the light bleed off the edge was so horrible, that it's almost like a terrible lighted border around the TV, the edge started to expand and the borders peeling off due to uneven heat from the edge-lighted LED before I got rid of it and went for the C1.

We all have our biases after terrible things happened to us, I suppose.

Video title says it all. If you're going for OLED. Otherwise I'm ill-equipped to help you.