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post Sep 15 2021, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(Convael @ Sep 14 2021, 06:34 PM)
As with all other OLED TV , you want to switch to the right mode and tune down the brightness at first .
This is crucial because a large majority of the content you will be watching are SDR .

Therefore they don't require you to blast the brightness all the way up to 300 - 400 cd/m2 .

Expert - dark room is the more accurate mode . 
OLED light of 20-35 is recommended for dark room , with gamma to BT.1886 OR 2.4 .
40+ for bright living room and gamma to 2.2 . 
This is good info. Cant wait to tinker with my CX.
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post Sep 19 2021, 07:50 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Sep 19 2021, 03:14 PM)
Ideally 65" CX1 if you can stretch it.
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I have purchased the 55" CX but my place is currently still under reno. Now the 65" CX is going for 9.9k. Initially I was thinking its still a bit too much but I found out that they are giving a free LG air purifier that cost 2k+ alone for the 65" purchase.

I sit ~2.5m away from the TV console and the CX not yet delivery until my place is done. So I still can top up for 65" Should I just go for the extra 40% screen? hmm.gif

I am just afraid it might be too big no?

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post Sep 19 2021, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(Convael @ Sep 19 2021, 08:00 PM)
2.5m is perfectly reasonable for a 65 " 4k screen.
I also have a 55 " A9F which is used exclusively for running test pattern and movies , they are roughly 1.5m away from my seat .
The closer you are to the screen , the larger your vision angles are being stretched leading to a more cinematic experience .
The golden ratio for a 55 " is approximately 1.7m away from the screen , at 36 - 40  degree.  This translates to 2.0m for a 65" .

For gaming and other purposes  , I would add 0.5m to the gap to prevent motion sickness .
I usually recommend people to sit slightly closer to OLEDs than typical LCD because you can actually see how amazing the contrast on self emissive screens are , each perfectly lit-up pixel just makes the experience so much more immersive .
My new favorite Passengers look unbelievable on OLED screen . Lotsa dark scenes with a bunch of small highlights  , my new go-to for Test stressing the PQ of TVs.
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Alright thanks for your input. I will speak with the merchant for the top up. Paying 9.9k deal for 65" CX + free rm2k+ air purifier is too hard to pass. Meaning the TV is around 7.9-8k or so.

36° meaning the horizontal viewing angle right? How about head tilt angle? I have tried to sit on the floor in front of the couch to get closer and game ps5 and yeah I will get motion sickness very fast.

My favorite go to movie would be the dark knight, tunnel car chase, football explosion scene and a couple more. Martian is another good movie to test. My current X90H is okay...just that during the tunnel scene, the blooming is quite severe when the tunnel goes pitch black and slight panning judder when the tunnel lights up and batman zooms pass.

Really hope OLED doesn't disappoint me.
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post Sep 20 2021, 09:45 AM

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I went yolo and top up for 65" CX. Ended up with RM9800 nett. The free LG purifier costs RM2499 alone, that's the cheapest I can find on LZ/Shopee with others selling above RM2.7k. So the TV itself is around RM7.3k.

So for those who are still looking for a new OLED, I think this 65" CX Merdeka promo (ends 30/9) is the best deal now.
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post Sep 20 2021, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(Halls1234 @ Sep 20 2021, 10:55 AM)
Interested with 55” CX
Mind to share where you get the deals from?
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I got my 55 CX initially from the same place as Bro shinjite. Back then when he posted the link there were 2 units left. I got one of them and I believe the shop took down the link few days later. You can just WhatsApp them to check 55 stock.

This is the link for 65.
https://shopee.com.my/product/267205209/703...04-1632117215.9

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post Sep 25 2021, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(Xmatrix @ Sep 25 2021, 01:15 AM)
I'm torn between 65' X85J and 55' X90J.

Is there any major difference in picture with Full Array LED in X90J compared to X85J?
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Take the X90J. Better contrast and HDR brightness.
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post Sep 26 2021, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(AstonCheah @ Sep 26 2021, 02:39 PM)
Yup agree, my 65x90j coming next week😄
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Congrats man. Enjoy your new TV and that sweet DV / HDR.
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post Sep 27 2021, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(Halls1234 @ Sep 27 2021, 05:11 PM)
Th tv current position is about 3 feet away from bed end. But I sit 2-3 feet while gaming. If movie I will lay back which is about 4-5 feet.

I don’t want to add anymore budget I was trying to get 5k LG C1 if possible.

I went senheng to ask around possible to get x90j for 4.9k

I don’t mind 48 really. 55 I might find it too big for 2-3 feet range.
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Get C1. For me PQ always come first. I know most people would go for the bigger size.

I have a 3 yo 43 panasonic at around 4-5 ft in the room for casual movies also and I think its fine. 48 OLED should be good.

I believe the 55 CX at 5.8-5.9 all sold out already. Now the price back to RM6.7 and above.

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post Sep 27 2021, 05:27 PM

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post Oct 1 2021, 09:21 AM

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Apparently some users say local dimming will be disabled if VRR enabled.
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post Nov 23 2021, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(Currylaksa @ Nov 22 2021, 07:40 PM)
If you are rich UMNO guy and money no object, A90J (best overall) and G1 (best gaming) are the best laugh.gif
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Haha. If that's the case, straight buy one of those 8K Sony Z9J or LG Z1. tongue.gif

Jokes aside, wow the panasonic jz2000 like not bad. Beat the sony in terms of black level, shadow details, color accuracy, hdr performance.

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post Nov 28 2021, 10:11 AM

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For LG CX or oled users, do you get intermittent screen blackout for 1-2 seconds during gaming with HDR logo pop up again at the top corner? This happen like every 2-3 hours of gaming. So far fifa is having this issue. I have yet to try other games.

I read up online it seems to be an issue where the the console is force outputting at RGB 12 bit. The freesync info box also showing 12 bit. Is there a workaround to get 4K 60hz RGB 4:4:4 10 bit HDR on the PS5? Because if I set the 4K transfer rate to -1, the signal drops to 4K 60 Hz 8 Bit HDR. I don't think this is acceptable.

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post Nov 28 2021, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(Currylaksa @ Nov 28 2021, 12:20 PM)
Mine is C1 48, so far no such issue with PS5. (my PC is the one having issues LOL)

I think -1 means 4:2:2 chroma subsampling, not 8-bit.

If it's 4:2:2, then it's quite okay. Our eyes cannot notice the difference during gaming and show.
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Sigh I think I found the answer online already.

-1 is limiting the bandwidth to HDMI2.0 of 18 Gbps.
-2 is limiting the bandwidth to HDMI1.4 of 10.2 Gbps.

For a 4K 60fps chroma RGB 4:4:4 to work for 10 bit color depth will need 20.05 Gbps. But if I set the 4K transfer rate to Auto, it will max out and forced 12 bit 4:2:2 at 32 Gbps output from console if I am not wrong.

4K 60fps 4:2:2 will need 17.82 Gbps < 18 Gbps.

PS5 should have a setting like XSX to select 8, 10, 12 bit. vmad.gif

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post Nov 28 2021, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(Currylaksa @ Nov 28 2021, 01:15 PM)
Well it's not the end of the world haha laugh.gif

4:2:2 is near-impossible to notice in a blind test for gaming and movies.

When I set Ratchet Clank to output 40FPS, it was changed to 4:2:2. Still cantek.
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Yes I agree with you, I shouldn't look for the flaws, should just enjoy it as it is hahaha. biggrin.gif
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post Dec 1 2021, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Dec 1 2021, 04:20 PM)
games on PS5 are mastered in 4:2:0.
Perhaps Sony saw no reason to give users to enable 4:4:4 anyway because it makes no difference at the end of the day.
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Yeah, I dropped it to -1 and run fifa at YUV 4:2:2 non RGB for 2-3 hours per day this past few days. No flickering issue or intermittent screen black out anymore.


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post Dec 11 2021, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(dark_heart07 @ Dec 4 2021, 10:39 AM)
So I was browsing for some cheap tv. I dont mind lack of HDMI 2.1 bcoz my eys are old man one so didn't matter if it was 120Hz all I see was same 60Hz. Is this good enough? Since it got Dolby Vision so its good for my Series X too I think hmm.gif
Hisense 4K ULED Smart TV (55") 55U7G
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Bro, top up 1k max or so only and get this 55" X90J 12.12 from Desa Home.
https://www.lazada.com.my/products/2021-new...6824PLVVrW&mp=1

If I am not wrong, I think this TV is just 8 bit + FRC. Color reproduction wise will never be on par with 10 bit native 1.07 billion colors like X90J.

Since you are about to get a new TV, getting a native 120hz TV will anytime be better than a 60hz tv not just for 120 fps gaming, for watching movies as well. You might want to do a bit of research on 24p 3:2 pulldown on a 60hz and 5:5 pulldown on 120hz.

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post Dec 17 2021, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(Convael @ Dec 17 2021, 04:15 PM)
IPS screen , sadly .
Samsung is really dropping the ball .
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So Malaysian QN90A is unlike those VA in the US reviewed by rtings? The other day I was at SenQ to check it out cause I also not sure if its VA or IPS. I asked the sales person and he is also not quite sure but they came back to me and said VA. But nevertheless, I still think price is a bit on the high side for now.

I cant seem to find info for the malaysia side for this model.

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post Dec 17 2021, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(Convael @ Dec 17 2021, 04:46 PM)
Unless it is the 85" , all of them are IPS .

It has been proven beyond a doubt , screen-scanned by me and by our fellow forum mates as well .

Your shop guy probably went online and checked from rtings , and saw the TV with the same models and thought they found the answer .

The QN90A of US is the same line up as QN95A in Uk / Europe , which is not available in Malaysia .
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I see. Thanks for your info. Samsung MY should really be more clear cut with this info made available if they want to push those mini-LED TVs at these kind of prices.
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post Jan 1 2022, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(Currylaksa @ Dec 27 2021, 02:21 PM)
If you want a good (relatively) budget HDR TV for PS5, the Hisense U7G has good enough HDR performance and attractive price point

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/hisense/u7g


Note: cannot do 4K 120hz properly
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Hisense MY website lists the TV as 4K @ 60 Hz capable only. U7G

Also, this TV is only 8 bit (each pixel ranges from 0-255, or simply 2 to the power of 8 = 256 shades of each Red, Green, Blue totaled to 256x256x256 = 16.7 million colors) + FRC (Frame Rate Control). It is still not a true 10 bit panel which is 64 times of that amount totaled up to 1.07 billion colors. FRC is just using temporal dithering and flash colors twice to fool our eyes thinking we are seeing the intended 10 bit wider color info on a limited 8 bit color palette display.

HDR10 minimum requirement is actually 10 bit depth. So it's better to view HDR10 contents on a native 10 bit panel to enjoy the most accurate colors. HDR10

TLDR? Never mind, gaming using 8 bit + FRC display maybe cannot really see the differences. But why would I want to watch HDR10 contents on a 8 bit + FRC panel? tongue.gif

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post Jan 2 2022, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(Convael @ Jan 2 2022, 03:29 PM)
You can definitely tell the difference in very specific scenes .
The problem gets worse when you consider that  Hisense TV does not come with any smooth-gradation features .
This caused some movies filmed with grainy effects a  lot " noisier " than usual due to the lack of " grades " to progress from one to another .
You can get a X90J 55 " for less than 4k during one of these xx / xx  sales , saving 1000 going for U7G just to have sub-par picture quality and inferior FALD system sounds a little absurd to me .

Hisense has also fallen far behind other brands when it comes to picture processing and upscaling .
I hate to tell people they don't have much of a choice here but that is just the fact with the MY TV market .
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I guess to most people with an untrained eye as long as color vivid, screen size big enough, motion ok price ok then all good. tongue.gif

Actually 55" X90J was only 3559 at Desa Home during 12.12 after deducting some LZ cash. The whole 9 units sold out within a couple hours.

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