Hi,

Looking to upgrade my FZ150i with another more powerful bikes as I'm commuting to work daily using non-highway, NARROW back road. The problem is always gets bullied by cars and modded rempit mopeds.

The mopeds I dont mind, but the cars always overtake and squeezing into my lane, despite following closely car in front.

I want to overtake, so I'm utilizing the rpm limit but without any significant acceleration . The road only has 1 lane for each direction, so its quite dangerous for slow bikes to overtake cars.

Do you think 250cc makes a huge difference? or do i need to look into B full bikes like 650cc? Thanks sifu!

faster than car? all bike faster theoretically.

for 250cc upgrade from 150cc ayam can say it medium upgrade.
you want "really" upgrade need to go minimum 650cc

disadvantage 650cc? higher insurance, higher maintenance cost as well as cost of license upgrade.

if can afford go with 650 cc if can. if not 250cc is fine.

Honda Xdv750

fz150i is faster than average cars, but not fast enough

What I concern about 650cc bikes is filtering ability/ cilok between cars in narrow rural roads.

250cc is enough for overtake in my opinion. You can get those 1 cylinder 250 like ninja 250sl or ktm duke/rc 250 because those bike have higher torque then the 2 cylinder 250. High torque is more important than high hp or top speed in your case. Don't get those bigger bikes as they are heavier and harder to handle at smaller and curvy road

650cc is quite heavy bike (trust me, ayam drove MT06).
if you confident can handle larger motorcycle (like when bike jatuh, sharp cornering, sharp flicking) then can try.

cilok between cars (term is flicking) normally in MT06 is bottom heavy (heavy in betis/peha area due to upright posture) due to naked bike structure of MT06 model.
if ayam were you, go showroom and request to do test drive 1st for 650cc and 250cc model(normally need to surrender IC and phone for collateral).

just drove around few meter around showroom than you can know your level of handling/confident on big CC bike.
maybe new MT-25 is good enough for you (you may never know)

thanks for the great insights!

i thought greater power can solve it all.

thanks for the opinion!

i had once sat on er6n and xj6. not that nimble going left and right.

xj6 is predecessor model to MT06. if you not nimble maybe skill lacking during that time.

try again lah. maybe skill already upgrade

Immediate quick fix is couple of used metal panniers on your fz150 will solve the problem ;-)
Check g310r if you are looking for build quality

+1 for this... Even me myself riding 650, in your case I would suggest the same... Since mostly back roads, you don't need a bfull bikes... Just get a 250 will do... Single or dual cylinder also will do, but think single can let u enjoy more on the torque... Not sure about reliability, but Duke250 new model looks nice and meets your criteria...

lol will try again thnx

lol fz in disguise

Put bike engine inside a small car and win win.

small car cant do lane filtering tho

try 20+ year old CBR/ZXR/GSX/YZR than compare with current modern 650 .... u know what power means.

Put superbike engine inside and shift gears at 14K rpm. Cars also lari la. Imagine an old Kancil with Hayabusa engine inside.

you meant in terms of technology or euro/gas restriction? supposed newer technology better power, or you could meant older non restricted engine more power.

kancil from hell

haha... not sure what does B-full bike means. B full is the standard license which permits all kind of bikes. B2 is restricted license limited to 250cc and below. kind of like D can drive both auto and manual but DA only can drive auto.

anyways. i don't quite know what to make of your predicament. the FZ150 tops out at around 140kmh so there is plenty of poke left if you are travelling at 100kmh. there are not many small roads where people drive all that fast. furthermore if you are already up to speed with the car in front then its pretty unlikely for people to purposely squeeze in so I can't imagine the scenario you mentioned being all that common. but then again, what do I know right?

but i will say this, if i find myself stuck behind a car with another car following behind me, i would also prefer to overtake the car in front, so wanting a faster bike is justified.

so back to your specific question. a 250cc can comfortable get above 150kmh which is gonna be faster than most cars on our roads.

140kmh not easily reachable for FZ150i. If stock, 9k rpm at 104kmh....red line is 10k. no more juice left, only slowly climbing up speed.

anyway, with my weight...best is 115kmh top speed.



Early morning rush hour. you'll be surprised... 80kmh, 90kmh at 1 lane narrow roads.
110kmh++ at 2 lane roads. I'd stay at emergency lane or I would die.

This post has been edited by zedyll: Sep 18 2020, 08:26 PM

keke... anyways, i think a 250cc suits your needs. personally if i am taking back roads i would prefer a bigger bike thou. more road presence

what is your commute mileage?

u should try one, than u know what i means.
modern bike with newer tech but mainly focus on fuel saving, rider comfort and bla bla.

nice

its 39km one way, so 78km per day.

Is it possible to get test ride from shops? Never did one.
Maybe I kecut bola wanna ask for one.

i remember my old zx7 (j & P) model can easily reach 240 for standard bike (simple full muzzy system can turn it to another monster) , first (definitely no full throttle), second gear very last moment (rev) to full throttle, third gear full throttle still need to push front down .......

couple year back i try my friend suzuki 650, is even more comfort than my softail heritage. hhahahah

I knew it. The unrestricted, older engine is a monster. raw powahh

The newer ones complying with euro, gas emissions regulations, yada yada.....power dumbed down.

but R1 ain't slow mate ..... i think something to do with demand.

What year is your FLSTC?

94 ...

i'm old man

This post has been edited by XXXOOOXXXOOO: Sep 18 2020, 09:08 PM

Nice .. 81Ci ?

Bought from Sunway Harley?

Same.. me also old man..

Upgrading to a 250, there would definitely be a difference in power, most people would find it enough for daily use.

A 650 bike however, would be a huge leap from your FZ150. The difference in power will be mind blowing. I upgraded from an R25 to an MT-07, and the low end power still makes me go "holy f*ck". Easy to cilok/lane-split, relatively lightweight, great acceleration. Can also consider Kawa Z650, Suzuki SV650 if you're into naked bikes.

where u from ? me perak group but not utara biker.
we might know each others (those day less bikers)
you know bmw chippy (Rafei Yahil) ?

This post has been edited by XXXOOOXXXOOO: Sep 18 2020, 09:35 PM

Might be but I not into the scene, Solo ride mostly

But knew some people from HDCM and those who grew up from Sunway HD..

i usually rode fz150i and last month bought used er6n. I ride the bike for going to work and I would say i rather regret it, due to following.

1) this bike is too fast. seriously, i cant play with the throttle like when im using the fz. I have to constantly remind myself that im not in my fz. i have to pull the throttle just a bit and be careful to not over exceed the pulling strength. Else ill find myself as if im about to be thrown out of the bike.

2) this bike is too heavy. imagine you are just finished work and find out that others bike on the left and right is too close to your bike. you have to spend extra strength in moving either both of the bikes or your bike.

3) this bike is attracting too much attention. When im on the road, i can feel the eyes on the bike. This is a no, i like to keep low profile.

4) last but most important, no more playing music and singing on my TWS. The attention have to be given to the bike, 100%.

Let me know if you are interested in buying this bike from me.

1) i knew about the er6n/f monstrous torque, but that bad?
2) i sat on it last time...doesnt felt that nimble compared to fz150i
3) i guess rempits felt challenged the thing is i ride fz with full face helmets, glove and jackets. Sort of became the center of attention lol the lights turn green, they full throttle pulling away from me.
4) is that hard to maneuver & control the speed?

the torque is a monster. Need to be careful, even when ciloking around trafic jam.
And yeah, not really nimble, but doable. It all depends on traffic condition and our skills.
Maneuvering and controlling the speed is normal. Its only that when im riding with my bluetooth earbud, i cant do the singing, else ill see the bike going beyond 120km/h, and getting closer to the vehicle in front of me. my normal ride speed is 100-110 only.

Anyway, the point is, for me, er6n is too much Overpower for going to work within city. Its a good bike, and capable to overtake cars easily. If you bought it, definitely will reach the objective of this thread.

PS: I Should have bought nmax instead to enjoy santai riding while singing.

Haha I read through and know the feeling you going through.. Right now I'm looking at 300cc range bikes for the same reason - not overly powerful that I become too scared to ride and not too big that I can't cilok..

The G310R is a good choice.. Others you can consider are
1. D400 - cheapest but heaviest in this list. 14k otr and the service centre is via modenas which is quite good.
2. Kawasaki Z300 - old bike and in bright yellow, some shops still selling this at 20k new. might be worth just going for the new Z250 same price same power slightly lower torque compared to the 300
3. Kawasaki Z400 latest version but in blue.. 30k range.. So price wise a 600cc might sway you
4. Zontes 310 - China bike but feature pack for the price (20k). Only thing to worry is the aftersale service.. No dedicate zontes workshop like modenas or kawasaki.. So have to gamble with a bike shop u trust..

Personally i am leaning towards the zontes but holding off my purchase to next month.. Now scouting around bike shops that carry this brand and checking out their after sales macam mana..

This post has been edited by mdziaf: Sep 19 2020, 03:27 PM

May be should consider scooter with at least 150cc engine. You’ll be more focused to accelerate and leaving all vehicles behind.

It was mentioned in this forum... ride like everyone is trying to kill you. 😄

er6n was on my list but i need abs considering my narrow road i'm commuting to work, you call it twisty. too much power without abs in twisties are dangerous tho

in fact fz150i is fine for highway santai riding just riding at 90-100 at left lane, no one bothers

considering ninja 300 with abs, but the big jump from RM50 to RM180 roadtax...is it worth it?

the z400 or ninja 400 is the sweet spot but not in terms of price...z650 around the same price tho

i think scooter 150 isn't that noticeably faster than clutched 150

ride like everyone is trying to kill you....agree 100%, that's literally what i'm facing...to me it becomes a necessity to upgrade bike...to pull away from crazy car drivers in narrow roads im using

Yea the z400 n ninja 400 is the sweet spot.. Definitely a bigger jump in terms of the powahhh and torque over the 250/300 options.. But the price just doesn't make sense.. At that price the 600cc bikes dah come into play..

As for the road tax I would say its the least of our worries.. The jump in maintenance would be higher.. Engine bigger = more engine oil.. Twin cylinder = more oil, tires for sure more expensive.. Insurance pun sama... Workshop would also charge a premium just because you know.. moto besar boss.. even if its the same thing maintenance wise..

But in the end for me, its worth it.. 150cc not enough grunt to get out of those sticky situations..

would you consider 2 stroke bikes?

totally agree

nope... sounds 2t very annoying. sip petrol like no tomorrow.

ok

250 cukup. Try mt25. If you want pawa and stability of course go higher CC but you trade off with the agility and nimble of mopeds.

between mt25 and r25, i see the width body r25 is narrower. Like z250 and ninja 250, the ninja is narrower. Is full fairing 250 narrower body better for ciloking?

go for mt25 la. got dual channel abs. higher power is useless if u fall down every time u emergency braking.

What is your budget? if you have 40k to spend, i would recommend MT-07. I also like you, upgrading from fz150 to this bike. It is not much wider than FZ, so better for cilok. The weight also not much more than 250. Torque is monstrous. But with a bit of throttle control, not much difference from FZ. With 5k rpm(max 10.5k), you can cruise at 130kmh,so less strain on the engine.

Maintainance and insurance/road tax is the biggest disadvantage of owning a bigger cc bike. Insurance can cost more than 1k if your ncd are 0 and road tax is rm250. Tyre also quite expensive because it uses 180/55 17 inch tyres. Cost of fuel is around rm20 for full tank(using ron97) and can go around 250km. More if you willing to ride on E.

what is your budget?

i think cb500x would be suitable for u. Narrow body with an ample amount of power

below rm25k

MT07 is nice but old models not equipped with ABS.

New ones are though but far from my budget.

how 'bout z650 though?

below rm25k.

even cbr500r i'm tiptoe-ing.... height 164cm only

I understand, plus you need to spend 1.5k and time for B Full license. As for z650, i never ride it, so i cannot give exact opinions but i got test ride Ninja 650, same engine. I feel like the engine a bit jerky, not smooth. That might be just my opinion only.

For 25k, i suggests to get new 250cc bike compared to second hand 650cc. Not worth the hassle of repairing. The cost will add up really fast. For example, if the bike you buy is using old tyres or chain, that is around rm 600 that you have to spend soon after.

I believe those who are mulling for bigger cc (or powerful bike) already figured that the maintenance cost will increase when compared to lower cc counterpart. Otherwise, no point discussing on upgrading bike.

About B full thingy, how frequent u need to undergo the test? every month? it is just one effing time.

I guess more of the time commitment needed..

B full if with B2 means no need to go to class (which is 2 days saved) but does require you to go for 2 x 3hour lessons on different days. Then have to go QTI and then only able to go for JPJ test. Failed QTI then you need to repeat it again. Failed JPJ test =repeat again. Time wise it would take around 5-days spread over however long it is needed.

Its a small thing but for some it's a huge commitment issue.

If you fz150 user any 250 cc is pretty plentiful actually.

It's fast and more importantly manageable handling.

Faster bike means bigger bike. Bigger bike means harder to handle. It also mean more dangerous for you and makes you slower.

My suggestion is go for 250 cc less
As this type is city friendly and you still can outrun those modi kapchai

I considered that as one time. Fail JPJ means u are not ready to ride bigger bike. either stick with current bike or improve.

For low seat height and more power, I think there's really just Honda Rebel.

Annual insurance 600~700 (2~3x than FZ150i)
Roadtax RM180 (RM2 for FZ150i)
Tyre 600 every 8k~12k

i'm looking for bike that can outrun crazy car drivers in the morning....modi kapchai is a plus tho

i plan to take used r25 and modi r3 ... howsit?

the bike really nice to be honest...what kills is the rebel tyre size, not common tho ...rm750 per piece at bike shop, need to order n wait summore

i guess taking used 250 better?

250cc is pretty much can do all that.

R25 seem ok but i never used one. So no comment.
Z250 is pretty fast. Not sure about duke 200 or ns 200.

But last week on my way to work. This duke pass me super fast and he keep speeding. But the z250 pretty much keep up with it easily. If you can get used duke. I think its a bargain tho. It's pretty cheap.

ktm... i'll pass haha. other than being short height rider, reliability issue is questionable.