Actually where does bahasa Melayu baku came from?
Actually where does bahasa Melayu baku came from?
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Aug 30 2020, 05:35 PM, updated 6y ago
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From the video below can't find any dialek that uses the baku pronunciation besides Medan dialek, mostly uses the southern peninsular slang. So where actually the sebutan baku came from? From utara Malaysia?
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Aug 30 2020, 05:47 PM
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Aug 30 2020, 05:50 PM
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Gines Staot baek untok kita
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Aug 30 2020, 06:00 PM
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Johor leh.
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Aug 30 2020, 06:00 PM
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Sohai ppl in DBP got nothing to do. Lord Tiki Mick liked this post
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Aug 30 2020, 06:05 PM
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Serious answer, DBP. They randomly decide whats correct and wrong. Heck, they can even invent new words that nobody heard of. Contrary to other language where words are formed by the community first and when there is sufficient universal acceptance then it is added to the dictionary. puppeto4, Taikor.Taikun, and 1 other liked this post
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Aug 30 2020, 06:07 PM
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From indonesia
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Aug 30 2020, 06:12 PM
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When Anwar the education minister, he was infatuated with Sukma Dermawan and wanted all Malaysians to speak like him. astaraxx liked this post
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Aug 30 2020, 06:17 PM
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From British kot so they can speak like locals...
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Aug 30 2020, 06:18 PM
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Baku, Azerbaijan
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Aug 30 2020, 06:22 PM
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Aug 30 2020, 06:29 PM
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QUOTE(kcchong2000 @ Aug 30 2020, 06:00 PM) At least they provide access to PRPM for free. Too bad they're now outdated. Also they never take action on those Google translated subtitles. If I read, my brain can damage one.QUOTE(Legozz @ Aug 30 2020, 06:05 PM) Serious answer, DBP. Possibly because DBP was established in 1956. But then Kedah people got their baku slang from where? Or they originally speak a different dialek?They randomly decide whats correct and wrong. Heck, they can even invent new words that nobody heard of. Contrary to other language where words are formed by the community first and when there is sufficient universal acceptance then it is added to the dictionary. QUOTE(notadupe999 @ Aug 30 2020, 06:12 PM) When Anwar the education minister, he was infatuated with Sukma Dermawan and wanted all Malaysians to speak like him. |
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Aug 30 2020, 06:29 PM
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Aug 30 2020, 06:30 PM
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The idea Come from China.
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Aug 30 2020, 06:31 PM
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QUOTE(Lord Tiki Mick @ Aug 30 2020, 06:29 PM) At least they provide access to PRPM for free. Too bad they're now outdated. Also they never take action on those Google translated subtitles. If I read, my brain can damage one. The more I try to understand them. The more confusing I get. Possibly because DBP was established in 1956. But then Kedah people got their baku slang from where? Or they originally speak a different dialek? Telefon/talifon, dunno how many changes. Pikap, luls my god Syif, apa ke lanijiao ini I forgetten they use bank not |
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Aug 30 2020, 07:03 PM
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QUOTE(lucifer_666 @ Aug 30 2020, 06:29 PM) Johor-Riau, no? Cannot be because long time already uses Malay baku, can see old Malay films, circa 1950s.On second thought, maybe it's a good continuation of the linguistic effort after EYD? ![]() QUOTE(kcchong2000 @ Aug 30 2020, 06:31 PM) The more I try to understand them. The more confusing I get. Actually what you expect the translation for these things you mentioned?Telefon/talifon, dunno how many changes. Pikap, luls my god Syif, apa ke lanijiao ini I forgetten they use bank not Telephone - suara jauh? Pickup - pungut? Shift - giliran? bank - gudang duit? |
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Aug 30 2020, 07:06 PM
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QUOTE(Lord Tiki Mick @ Aug 30 2020, 07:03 PM) Cannot be because long time already uses Malay baku, can see old Malay films, circa 1950s. Another wiki source mentioned this Actually what you expect the translation for these things you mentioned? Telephone - suara jauh? Pickup - pungut? Shift - giliran? bank - gudang duit? QUOTE According to Indonesian law, the Indonesian language was proclaimed as the unifying language during the Youth Pledge on 28 October 1928 and developed further to accommodate the dynamics of Indonesian civilisation. As mentioned previously, the language was based on Riau Malay, though linguists note that this is not the local dialect of Riau, but the Malaccan dialect that was used in the Riau court. Since its conception in 1928 and its official recognition in the 1945 Constitution, the Indonesian language has been loaded with a nationalist political agenda to unify Indonesia (former Dutch East Indies). This status has made it relatively open to accommodate influences from other Indonesian ethnic languages, most notably Javanese as the majority ethnic group, and Dutch as the previous coloniser. Compared to the indigenous dialects of Malay spoken in Sumatra and Malay peninsula or the normative Malaysian standard, the Indonesian language differs profoundly by a large amount of Javanese loanwords incorporated into its already-rich vocabulary. As a result, Indonesian has more extensive sources of loanwords, compared to Malaysian Malay. It is sometimes said that the Indonesian language is an artificial language, meaning that it was designed by academics rather than evolving naturally as most common languages have, in order to accommodate the political purpose of establishing an official and unifying language of Indonesia. By borrowing heavily from numerous other languages, it expresses a natural linguistic evolution; in fact, it is as natural as the next language, as demonstrated in its exceptional capacity for absorbing foreign vocabulary. So perhaps that's the one? It's Johor-Riau, but not local everyday Riau dialect but of the royal court. Which explains its use in the classical Malay films? |
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Aug 30 2020, 07:09 PM
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Aug 30 2020, 07:15 PM
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QUOTE(lucifer_666 @ Aug 30 2020, 07:06 PM) Another wiki source mentioned this So meaning Melaka royals uses this baku pronunciation? So perhaps that's the one? It's Johor-Riau, but not local everyday Riau dialect but of the royal court. Which explains its use in the classical Malay films? Or last time Melaka people uses bahasa baku. QUOTE(zeese @ Aug 30 2020, 07:09 PM) Before Anwar Ibrahim people already use bahasa baku la.This post has been edited by Lord Tiki Mick: Aug 30 2020, 07:16 PM |
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Aug 30 2020, 07:19 PM
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QUOTE(Lord Tiki Mick @ Aug 30 2020, 07:15 PM) So meaning Melaka royals uses this baku pronunciation? No idea. Or last time Melaka people uses bahasa baku. Before Anwar Ibrahim people already use bahasa baku la. I'm just as intrigued as you are. Initially, I thought that sebutan baku is the continuation of EYD in making Malay language phonetically representative/compatible for easier adoption & standardization. But since you raised its use in the classical Malay films, it doesn't appear to be the case. |
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Aug 30 2020, 07:21 PM
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Baku = Standard
Bahasa Melayu Baku means Standardised Malay Language. Also can call Bahasa Melayu Piawai. Bahasa Melayu Piawai is Bahasa Melayu spoken in Riau, Indonesia as agreed upon by Majlis Bahasa Melayu Brunei, Indonesia & Malaysia (MABBIM). |
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Aug 30 2020, 07:23 PM
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QUOTE(lucifer_666 @ Aug 30 2020, 07:19 PM) No idea. Last time got one TV3 pengacara uses baku language, I tot she from Singapore, turns out she from Melaka. So possible last time Melaka people uses the bahasa baku. Then the indon is wrong la, they're using Melaka Malay. But since Melaka in Malaysia they dunwan admit. I'm just as intrigued as you are. Initially, I thought that sebutan baku is the continuation of EYD in making Malay language phonetically representative/compatible for easier adoption & standardization. But since you raised its use in the classical Malay films, it doesn't appear to be the case. |
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Aug 30 2020, 07:26 PM
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QUOTE(Lord Tiki Mick @ Aug 30 2020, 07:23 PM) Last time got one TV3 pengacara uses baku language, I tot she from Singapore, turns out she from Melaka. So possible last time Melaka people uses the bahasa baku. Then the indon is wrong la, they're using Melaka Malay. But since Melaka in Malaysia they dunwan admit. if that is the case tak payah lah use malay riau, better use javanese lel |
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Aug 30 2020, 07:28 PM
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QUOTE(Lord Tiki Mick @ Aug 30 2020, 07:23 PM) Last time got one TV3 pengacara uses baku language, I tot she from Singapore, turns out she from Melaka. So possible last time Melaka people uses the bahasa baku. Then the indon is wrong la, they're using Melaka Malay. But since Melaka in Malaysia they dunwan admit. And since Johor-Riau is kinda like the successor for Melaka, and Riau is part of Indonesia, they find it to be more palatable & acceptable to refer to it as Johor-Riau dialect for the purpose of nationalistic pride. Maybe. Merely a conjecture.. Lord Tiki Mick liked this post
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Aug 30 2020, 07:29 PM
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Johor-Riau dialect no? or am I missing something here?
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Aug 30 2020, 07:32 PM
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Tunku used Bahasa Baku.
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Aug 30 2020, 07:39 PM
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QUOTE(Lord Tiki Mick @ Aug 30 2020, 07:03 PM) Cannot be because long time already uses Malay baku, can see old Malay films, circa 1950s. Telephone - talipon, telepon, telefon, talifon too many changesActually what you expect the translation for these things you mentioned? Telephone - suara jauh? Pickup - pungut? Shift - giliran? bank - gudang duit? Pikap - no comment Syif - paddle Shift. Bank not - bank note, where they can use Nota wang. |
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Aug 30 2020, 07:45 PM
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Maybe bahasa baku slang spoken by Tun Ali and his kin became trendy during the Malacca sultanate period?
Highly doubt Parameswara or Tun Perak communicates in bahasa baku |
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Aug 30 2020, 07:59 PM
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QUOTE(banyanroot @ Aug 30 2020, 07:26 PM) Indon not only got Jawa people la, although they're the most numerous. In fact they're the most numerous austronesian. QUOTE(khelben @ Aug 30 2020, 07:32 PM) Tunku from Utara, bahasa baku came from utara? QUOTE(sportivo @ Aug 30 2020, 07:45 PM) Maybe bahasa baku slang spoken by Tun Ali and his kin became trendy during the Malacca sultanate period? Tun Ali is Mamak if I'm not mistaken. So maybe yes.Highly doubt Parameswara or Tun Perak communicates in bahasa baku Parameswara was from Palembang, could be he use the current palembang dialek, unless really royals sounded different compared to the rakyat. If only the Malay last time write history properly. *sighs* |
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Aug 30 2020, 08:50 PM
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Aug 30 2020, 08:54 PM
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QUOTE(banyanroot @ Aug 30 2020, 08:50 PM) exactly my point, why would they let a language that spoken by merely 3 million pipu, when there are 200 million javanese in indon. If not, other ethnics will feel as if they kena jajah and Indonesa wouldn't be formed. Although Javanese the most numerous, Malays are more widely spread and the language is more widely spoken. From Sumatera until Sulawesi, all can speak Malay or a dialect of it. They also thought of the possibility of inviting semenanjung to join. |
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QUOTE(banyanroot @ Aug 30 2020, 08:50 PM) exactly my point, why would they let a language that spoken by merely 3 million pipu, when there are 200 million javanese in indon. Most will not happy if that is the choice, javanese are the biggest but limited to one island, even in that small java island also got many suku. So melayu was adopted as it is the lingua franca in malay archipelagos. |
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QUOTE(Lord Tiki Mick @ Aug 30 2020, 08:54 PM) If not, other ethnics will feel as if they kena jajah and Indonesa wouldn't be formed. Although Javanese the most numerous, Malays are more widely spread and the language is more widely spoken. From Sumatera until Sulawesi, all can speak Malay or a dialect of it. They also thought of the possibility of inviting semenanjung to join. In sumatra only riau speak malay, aceh speak aceh, north sumara speak batak, western sumatra speak minangkabau, kalimantan speak dayak, sulawesi speak bugis, toraja, manado. what tok kok you? event in java island the western part speak sunda. |
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Aug 30 2020, 09:15 PM
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Indonesia retains Sumatra Malay dialect as her national language due to inheritance from historical Sriwijaya had already established Malay dialect as the official "trading language" for centuries along the straits and nusantara, later Malacca sultanate continuing the legacy so did the Majapahit up until colonization by Portuguese, Dutch and Anglo.... Thus Indonesia could not used javanese dialect national language due to unpopularity outside of jawa.
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Aug 30 2020, 10:51 PM
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QUOTE(banyanroot @ Aug 30 2020, 09:09 PM) In sumatra only riau speak malay, aceh speak aceh, north sumara speak batak, western sumatra speak minangkabau, kalimantan speak dayak, sulawesi speak bugis, toraja, manado. what tok kok you? event in java island the western part speak sunda. You saw the video I put first post or not? Not I said no other language besides Malay, I said widely spoken. |
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