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post Aug 8 2007, 07:19 PM


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I just installed my grouning cable at my foremen, he seemed to be not very pro in this matter, n he called his fren n his fren told him dat the cable can be linked to anything!I dunno true or not...

So...mine is a 5 point,

He put 2 to car body, 1 to engine, 1 to trottle body, and 1 to gear box...

I dunno if he link it to the right thing or not, but he said that there's no way to tell it is to groun to which place,but from his experience, link to these things is the best.... :S

Anyone can tell me usually link to where?
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1 cable between battery terminal and gearbox + engine block

1 cable connect to engine firewall which allowed dashboard area have better grounding

1 cable used to connect engine head

1 cable used between car body and engine head

1 cable used for alternator

here the example...
http://myvi.com.my/forum/index.php?topic=2875.0
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wow....if salah cucuk will explode the car or not 1?


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QUOTE(Ken @ Aug 8 2007, 09:34 PM)
wow....if salah cucuk will explode the car or not 1?
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... will blow you & the surrounding 5 blocks... ph34r.gif
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if u ground to + ve battery terminal... it'll definitely blow u & the surrounding 5 blocks
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I wonder if this grounding cable thing will do any good in performance aspect? Or it only serves purpose for those who in the audio performance aspect?
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post Aug 9 2007, 02:57 PM


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it'll be very beneficial to older cars.

it'll be very beneficial to install in all proton/ perodua cars regardless of whether old o new..
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let's not talk about car exploding

just imagine the whole car wiring burnt
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post Aug 9 2007, 09:36 PM


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if the car is idle and the aircond compressor kicks in.. which cause the light blink.. is it the grounding problem?? unsure.gif unsure.gif
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i being taught by my fren last time, let says 5point la... alternator, engine cylinder head (nearby spark plug area), fuel rail, firewall, n nearby headlight...
if wan more effect from audio, make 1point of the grounding cable mayb to the middle/end of the vehicle...
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QUOTE(Austin123 @ Aug 9 2007, 09:36 PM)
if the car is idle and the aircond compressor kicks in.. which cause the light blink.. is it the grounding problem??  unsure.gif  unsure.gif
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even brand new cars will experience the same thing. it's pretty normal.

unless the light get dimmed terus... then it might be related to electrical inefficiency.
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QUOTE(blasturanus @ Aug 9 2007, 02:57 PM)
it'll be very beneficial to older cars.

it'll be very beneficial to install in all proton/ perodua cars regardless of whether old o new..
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bro mind to share why u said so?..interested here
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if wrong plug in
will hav a lot of problem
example
if u ply 2 positive point
will burn sumthing, basically fuse burnt, if u spark it 2 hard
mayb another thing will burnt 2
like alternater, coil and other
then ur whole car cant start
must becareful whn install
do not plug 2 positive point
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QUOTE(-dexter- @ Sep 7 2007, 06:33 PM)
bro mind to share why u said so?..interested here
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becos ur old grounding cable may oxide and local car quality u no i no la. So with new grounding u may expect new current flow to where the power are needed. Ur headlamp, stater, spark plug etc etc. Those equipment if get proper power or current they ll work better. Grouding+VS is a perfect match. Dun miss out this combination.
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post Sep 15 2007, 10:37 PM


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some accessories shop claimed that, the grounding can be install anywhere on the engine since it was metal and it can go tru it. But this theory is wrong. You need to install the grounding on the specific place else, it will make problem. FC will increase too if the grounding cable doesn't install correctly.
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QUOTE(GoldenHawk @ Aug 9 2007, 09:35 AM)
... will blow you & the surrounding 5 blocks... ph34r.gif
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laugh.gif laugh.gif

i would love to see how u can do it with grounding wires... notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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post Sep 16 2007, 11:28 AM


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QUOTE(singchaii @ Sep 15 2007, 10:37 PM)
some accessories shop claimed that, the grounding can be install anywhere on the engine since it was metal and it can go tru it. But this theory is wrong. You need to install the grounding on the specific place else, it will make problem. FC will increase too if the grounding cable doesn't install correctly.
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Please explain why placing the grounding at the wrong place will cause FC to rise. Try not to start with 'oh my mechanic, or my friend or my so and so told me'.

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i never trust accessories shop ppl. they're just ppl who want to make money without depth knowledge in automotive.
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QUOTE(singchaii @ Sep 15 2007, 10:37 PM)
some accessories shop claimed that, the grounding can be install anywhere on the engine since it was metal and it can go tru it. But this theory is wrong. You need to install the grounding on the specific place else, it will make problem. FC will increase too if the grounding cable doesn't install correctly.
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actually as i know it wont cuz FC higher... in my opinion, ground wire only hv +tive effect, no -tive effect... whole vehicle body is ground/-tive side 1, so wats the point u said ground wire wil make FC higher?! mind 2 explain?! thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Sep 16 2007, 11:28 AM)
Please explain why placing the grounding at the wrong place will cause FC to rise. Try not to start with 'oh my mechanic, or my friend or my so and so told me'.
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QUOTE(jaesern @ Sep 16 2007, 12:19 PM)
actually as i know it wont cuz FC higher... in my opinion, ground wire only hv +tive effect, no -tive effect... whole vehicle body is ground/-tive side 1, so wats the point u said ground wire wil make FC higher?! mind 2 explain?!  thumbup.gif
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Izit ok to post another forum? (It might be because of the grounding or might be also other stuff. Read the story) icon_rolleyes.gif
Here!

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post Sep 16 2007, 04:45 PM


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The conclusion is mentioned bro they agreed grounding did not cause the rise in FC. They don't know what did.

And FYI my car is grounded the way that is supposedly wrong and i have not seen any difference in FC at all.

Also he mention ground loops, that only applies if you are grounding an electrical equipment to earth, you should not have two earth points as current will flow."Grounding" on a car is a wrong term there is no link from car body to earth.
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What if after we done the grounding, then make a long grounding wire from chasis then till touch the floor? Then it will work like Seidenki Touru..
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Sep 16 2007, 04:45 PM)
The conclusion is mentioned bro they agreed grounding did not cause the rise in FC. They don't know what did.

And FYI my car is grounded the way that is supposedly wrong and i have not seen any difference in FC at all.

Also he mention ground loops, that only applies if you are grounding an electrical equipment to earth, you should not have two earth points as current will flow."Grounding" on a car is a wrong term there is no link from car body to earth.
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agreed... if truth sure we will electric shock oftenly while we bare leg... tongue.gif

the grounding wont useful for better FC or etc... it just allowed static surge flow back to the earth to avoid kaboom with petrol... that the reasons the we can always see big petrol truck installed it at their tail... and F1 race also, we can realize there have 2 soft steel pieces on the pit stop for each team, it is to avoid statics while they refueling petrol and changing the tyre...
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QUOTE(singchaii @ Sep 17 2007, 12:59 AM)
What if after we done the grounding, then make a long grounding wire from chasis then till touch the floor? Then it will work like Seidenki Touru..
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Actually that is a condition called 'earth fault' because the negative terminal is not at 0 potential, if you measure to to ground you will get -11 to -12 V.
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QUOTE(XDMonSterZ @ Sep 14 2007, 02:13 PM)
if wrong plug in
will hav a lot of problem
example
if u ply 2 positive point
will burn sumthing, basically fuse burnt, if u spark it 2 hard
mayb another thing will burnt 2
like alternater, coil and other
then ur whole car cant start
must becareful whn install
do not plug 2 positive point
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bro i dont quite understand..wat do you mean by "do not plug 2 positive point"
can u pls elaborate further? with pics is the best biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(rcracer @ Sep 16 2007, 04:45 PM)
The conclusion is mentioned bro they agreed grounding did not cause the rise in FC. They don't know what did.

And FYI my car is grounded the way that is supposedly wrong and i have not seen any difference in FC at all.

Also he mention ground loops, that only applies if you are grounding an electrical equipment to earth, you should not have two earth points as current will flow."Grounding" on a car is a wrong term there is no link from car body to earth.
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bro yours gen2 rite?
i plan to install ground wires too..
can show me your ground cable connect to where?pls
wanna see where the ending point connect to..thx

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QUOTE(-dexter- @ Oct 23 2007, 07:07 PM)
bro i dont quite understand..wat do you mean by "do not plug 2 positive point"
can u pls elaborate further? with pics is the best biggrin.gif


Added on October 23, 2007, 7:10 pm
bro yours gen2 rite?
i plan to install ground wires too..
can show me your ground cable connect to where?pls
wanna see where the ending point connect to..thx
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that is his msn language lar
"do not plug to positive point"
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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Oct 23 2007, 07:23 PM)
that is his msn language lar
"do not plug to positive point"
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den where is the positive point?
other than the battery terminal laa i noe
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QUOTE(DaViDcHiN @ Aug 8 2007, 07:19 PM)
I just installed my grouning cable at my foremen, he seemed to be not very pro in this matter, n he called his fren n his fren told him dat the cable can be linked to anything!I dunno true or not...

So...mine is a 5 point,

He put 2 to car body, 1 to engine, 1 to trottle body, and 1 to gear box...

I dunno if he link it to the right thing or not, but he said that there's no way to tell it is to groun to which place,but from his experience, link to these things is the best.... :S

Anyone can tell me usually link to where?
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how about alternator / distributor?
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QUOTE(-dexter- @ Oct 24 2007, 09:20 AM)
den where is the positive point?
other than the battery terminal laa i noe
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of coz he mean the positive point on the battery blush.gif
ur car is grounded with negative everywhere
if u install the grounding cable, link at the positive instead of negative, then there will be spark and ur part might not working well
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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Oct 24 2007, 11:43 AM)
of coz he mean the positive point on the battery  blush.gif
ur car is grounded with negative everywhere
if u install the grounding cable, link at the positive instead of negative, then there will be spark and ur part might not working well
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oo...so there wont be any problem if i connect it to anywhere in the engine bay as long as is connected to the negative terminal of the battery?
do u hav any pics of where the 5 point is usually connected to?...hope to DIY but i scared i loosen some screw that i shuldn't..


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QUOTE(ayiesz @ Oct 24 2007, 11:03 AM)
how about alternator / distributor?
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wats a distributor?

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QUOTE(-dexter- @ Oct 24 2007, 11:58 AM)
oo...so there wont be any problem if i connect it to anywhere in the engine bay as long as is connected to the negative terminal of the battery?
do u hav any pics of where the 5 point is usually connected to?...hope to DIY but i scared i loosen some screw that i shuldn't..


Added on October 24, 2007, 12:00 pm
wats a distributor?
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check out link posted by siingchai earlier in this thread.. it got proper technique to do grounding.. depending on ur preference..
i think distributor is the part where electric current is distribute throughout ur car usage
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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Oct 24 2007, 12:08 PM)
check out link posted by siingchai earlier in this thread.. it got proper technique to do grounding.. depending on ur preference..
i think distributor is the part where electric current is distribute throughout ur car usage
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how izit goin to look like? i have no idea at all..
btw i study the thread liao..but i still need to noe the exact screw to loosen or else as mention in the link,it will cause negative feedback
especially the alternator...pls pls anybody got pic sample of gen2 grounding point? notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(-dexter- @ Oct 24 2007, 01:06 PM)
how izit goin to look like? i have no idea at all..
btw i study the thread liao..but i still need to noe the exact screw to loosen or else as mention in the link,it will cause negative feedback
especially the alternator...pls pls anybody got pic sample of gen2 grounding point? notworthy.gif
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c'mon dude, dont be spoonfeed..
http://forum.wiseautoclub.com/index.php?showtopic=5098&st=0
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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Oct 24 2007, 06:33 PM)
bro thx for posting this link...but i studied this thread liao earlier
i still donno which screw to loosen in the alternator..
i dowan to loosen some screw that i shuldn't and will cause my alternator to loose
pls icon_question.gif notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(-dexter- @ Oct 25 2007, 09:02 AM)
bro thx for posting this link...but i studied this thread liao earlier
i still donno which screw to loosen in the alternator..
i dowan to loosen some screw that i shuldn't and will cause my alternator to loose
pls  icon_question.gif  notworthy.gif
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usually alternator have extra screw hole which without screw...
u can get additional screw to tighten up together with grounding cable...
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QUOTE(-dexter- @ Oct 25 2007, 09:02 AM)
bro thx for posting this link...but i studied this thread liao earlier
i still donno which screw to loosen in the alternator..
i dowan to loosen some screw that i shuldn't and will cause my alternator to loose
pls  icon_question.gif  notworthy.gif
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http://pivotjp.com/download/img/pdf-e/RAIZIN-e.pdf

hope this help you. hehe.
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QUOTE(singchaii @ Oct 25 2007, 10:34 AM)
yea bro..i printed it out and studying already
thx for your help back there..appreciate notworthy.gif


Added on October 29, 2007, 2:24 pmi went to gen2 TT session last week in awanbesar...
alot of ppl say grounding wire shorten thier battery life span
this is scary..any1 can giv any bright ideas here?
installing something to your car that might not giv u any positiv effect
instead shortened the battery life span..
i ask an acc shop bout this..they say u wan to sacrifice the electronics parts in your car or your battery?...so wat he mean was to replace battery earlier to save/giv better current flow (cannot guarantee) to your car electronics parts..
worth doin meh?

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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Oct 24 2007, 11:43 AM)
of coz he mean the positive point on the battery  blush.gif
ur car is grounded with negative everywhere
if u install the grounding cable, link at the positive instead of negative, then there will be spark and ur part might not working well
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haha~ u so understand me.
the earth point is full in ur body chasis
everyone know plug at alternator there will get better effect
but not all the alternator got point to plug
the wire plug at alternator the might is positive point.
so when u plug the cable, must careful

normally the grounding can plug to everywhere as u like
somebody like to show the cable.
somebody like to hide the cable.
hahax
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Hey guys, i jes bought 1 Pivot VS + Zero One 6 points ground wire for waja. My question is, where to install the 6th point as u mentioned b4 is 5 points only. got any sample picture on installation on waja? sorry, noob here.
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Which point do you install already?
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i haven install actually, still waiting all sifus to teach me, but i saw from from reply that we need to install it near cylinder head, near alternator, near distributor, bodyearth, and bulk head. n the 6th install to? actually i duno where is the parts that u all listed, got any diagram or someone can show some pic? 10s for all ur reply.
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this is earth belt la..

QUOTE(gkl83 @ Sep 17 2007, 06:28 AM)
agreed... if truth sure we will electric shock oftenly while we bare leg...  tongue.gif

the grounding wont useful for better FC or etc... it just allowed static surge flow back to the earth to avoid kaboom with petrol... that the reasons the we can always see big petrol truck installed it at their tail... and F1 race also, we can realize there have 2 soft steel pieces on the pit stop for each team, it is to avoid statics while they refueling petrol and changing the tyre...
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seriously la guys..grounding wires wont blow u up,ur car wont fly,transform,increase FC,improve turbo,get you laid..ur battery wont die,doesnt mean your car will live..think about this..you buy a car,lets say proton for rm50k..if its really essential for a bunch of wires which dont cost even 5 bucks to improve peformance,stabilize your voltage bla bla dont you think the manufacturer would have incorporated it into their car design? the basically did everything else major,if a stupid bunch of cheap wires are so important im sure they wouldnt have overlooked it.. doh.gif doh.gif

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blush.gif Bros, i'm driving a 10 year old Proton car where i installed my DIY VS at the cigar lighter....noticed vibration during idling improved moderately....then install my own DIY ground cables using our domestic earth power cables (ie. of the green insulation type) at 4 points only - alternator, camcover, firewall and distributor - and surprised surprised, my idling vibation has been reduced by about 50%....point is - the nos. of grounding location is not fixed thing - 1, 3, 7 etc. and would not decrease your FC as some other parties claim...happy DIY'ing icon_rolleyes.gif
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There's no right or wrong point for installing ground cable.
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QUOTE(ekestima @ Apr 18 2008, 03:38 PM)
There's no right or wrong point for installing ground cable.
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Is it Old car more benefit after install the Voltage Stabilizer plus Grounding Cable ??? hmm.gif
Feel wanna give it a try ... tongue.gif
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Yes, the Grounding Kit and VS (Voltage Stabilizer) would give a satisfying result to your car biggrin.gif ...if you would like to get your hands dirty, you can build them yourself where there are a lot of forums such as this or WAC or ZTH that will teach you how to do it...if not, you can always drop by at your friendly auto accessories guy which will usually costs about RM 100+ (ie. Ground + VS)... icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(alamdamai1 @ Apr 22 2008, 09:11 AM)
Yes, the Grounding Kit and VS (Voltage Stabilizer) would give a satisfying result to your car biggrin.gif ...if you would like to get your hands dirty, you can build them yourself where there are a lot of forums such as this or WAC or ZTH that will teach you how to do it...if not, you can always drop by at your friendly auto accessories guy which will usually costs about RM 100+ (ie. Ground + VS)... icon_rolleyes.gif
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there's been ppl talking about installing VS and grounding, that actually don give any difference to the car..
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QUOTE(wwlai87 @ Apr 23 2008, 11:16 AM)
there's been ppl talking about installing VS and grounding, that actually don give any difference to the car..
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sweat.gif errr...okay, i think i should qualify my earlier statement whereby the satisfactory results i reported is only applicable to my car and may not have the same effect to other car owners which have different setup and condition compared to my old & trustworthy workhorse...laugh.gif
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i would like to share my experience on grounding cable to u all.

1. plug grounding cable to intake body makes the car less responsive. tested on few kenari.

2. plug grounding cable to carburator makes the car less responsive. tested on 4g13p.

plug to the alternator, engine head, gb, chasis should be sufficient.
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ya, engine head and chasis is gud... tongue.gif
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plug to distributor or engine head gives the best result...
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i plug mine to alternator give superb result.
plugging to head and chasis dont feel anything.
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look like try n error here.. sweat.gif
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Installed 5points 8GA Grounding Cables + Zaptor Gold Voltage Stabilizer last month,
really can feel difference compare to last time .
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i feel that GC + VS really work great/benefit for old cars . nod.gif

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QUOTE(ahpaul82 @ May 20 2008, 11:15 PM)
Installed 5points 8GA Grounding Cables + Zaptor Gold Voltage Stabilizer last month,
really can feel difference compare to last time .
(More easy start up, More responsive)  thumbup.gif
i feel that GC + VS really work great/benefit for old cars .  nod.gif

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add a stabilizer bar la.. just rm 25. brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif

Sounds like i also need to install Pivot 5 point grounding cable to enhance further cause now i'm using one 4GA cable from battery terminal negative all the way to alternator.

I saw NS60 battery, how much you paid for the plastic mounting bracket?

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QUOTE(jimmylim85 @ May 20 2008, 11:32 PM)
add a stabilizer bar la.. just rm 25.  brows.gif  brows.gif  brows.gif

Sounds like i also need to install Pivot 5 point grounding cable to enhance further cause now i'm using one 4GA cable from battery terminal negative all the way to alternator.

I saw NS60 battery, how much you paid for the plastic mounting bracket?
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hehe,
where to get RM25 Stabilizer Bar ah ?
Brother shops ? tongue.gif
was thinking to add UltraRacing 4point Front Strut Bar,
but the price make me ... sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif

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I was using GP ALTAS NS40ZL Battery,
not NS60... wink.gif
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The plastic mounting bracket is came with my car before i change to my new battery last year. nod.gif
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QUOTE(ahpaul82 @ May 20 2008, 11:49 PM)
hehe,
where to get RM25 Stabilizer Bar ah ?
Brother shops ?  tongue.gif
was thinking to add UltraRacing 4point Front Strut Bar,
but the price make me ...  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif

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I was using GP ALTAS NS40ZL Battery,
not NS60...  wink.gif
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The plastic mounting bracket is came with my car before i change to my new battery last year.  nod.gif
Your one don't have ?  blink.gif
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I got my stabilizer from other shop... rm 45 vmad.gif then go brother saw the same damn thing at rm 25...

4 point form UR is good, but when your front kiss someone vehicle infront, can say bye bye to your front chasis. The more points of strut bar, your car more stable but just don't crash it, once crash it could either end up total loss and need major service as your body chasis suffered heavy damage.

Thats why i just stick with ordinary 2 point strut bar. Any cap ayam brand will do. Special brand doesn't give any additional performance to your car.

I thought you're using NS60. Anyway i had upgraded to NS60. Better i would say!


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QUOTE(jimmylim85 @ May 20 2008, 11:58 PM)
I got my stabilizer from other shop... rm 45  vmad.gif  then go brother saw the same damn thing at rm 25...

4 point form UR is good, but when your front kiss someone vehicle infront, can say bye bye to your front chasis. The more points of strut bar, your car more stable but just don't crash it, once crash it could either end up total loss and need major service as your body chasis suffered heavy damage.

Thats why i just stick with ordinary 2 point strut bar. Any cap ayam brand will do. Special brand doesn't give any additional performance to your car.

I thought you're using NS60. Anyway i had upgraded to NS60. Better i would say!
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hey, thanks for you info,
lucky i didn't buta-buta go for 4point strut bar ... sweat.gif
then im going to visit Brother shops soon tongue.gif

I thought our small car not necessary to use bigger battery unless playing ICE ?
and i heard ppls said if change to bigger battery,
the alternator have to be upgrade also ? blink.gif
No ?

anyway, sorry TS if Out Of Topic. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ahpaul82 @ May 21 2008, 12:28 AM)
hey, thanks for you info,
lucky i didn't buta-buta go for 4point strut bar ...  sweat.gif
then im going to visit Brother shops soon tongue.gif

I thought our small car not necessary to use bigger battery unless playing ICE ?
and i heard ppls said if change to bigger battery,
the alternator have to be upgrade also ?  blink.gif
No ?

anyway, sorry TS if Out Of Topic.  tongue.gif
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Ya, Having a 2 point front strut bar is well equip for better handling. After installing that strut, try low speed cornering, i'm sure you can feel the difference! I even installed rear small strut bar in which is useless to me tongue.gif

Yes bigger battery usually for playing ICE. Is not necessary to replace a bigger alternator. I'm using Yuasa MF battery with stock alternator for almost 2 years. No problem at all. It still charge my battery. biggrin.gif
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i thinking to DIY ground cables
what kinda wires should i use for better effect?
should i choose the wires that the copper much much?

of the points i wanan connect
alternator, distributor, 2 headlamps, fire wall etc..
so which part did i missed?
n if wanan connect to gear box
where should i connect?

i'm driving satria neo tongue.gif
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Based on what i know & read from the website, minimum size of the ground cables should be at least Size 8 AWG (3mm2 dia.) where our domestic home earthing cable (ie. the green insulation type) should be sufficient...however, if you have the budget, you can opt for Size 4 AWG (twice bigger)...

some with deep pockets would opt for the expensive OFC cables but other users have reported no much difference in using them apart from looking good only...

as for the grounding points, i guess other forumers have reported their findings where its worth your time to read all of them to have a better idea..happy DIY'ing.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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cheapest way
welding set cables
big n efficiency~
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finally found a grounding topic...
i plan for grounding and plan use 4awg but i find at several shop but they didint sell it, where can get the 4AWG cable ? and one meter for how much ringgit ???
and the "O" shape connector at both end side of cable should use what kind of metal ? where can get it lol ....

hope for reply

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QUOTE(cybaster89 @ Mar 6 2009, 11:02 PM)
finally found a grounding topic...
i plan for grounding and plan use 4awg but i find at several shop but they didint sell it, where can get the 4AWG cable ? and one meter for how much ringgit ???
and the "O" shape connector at both end side of cable should use what kind of metal ? where can get it lol ....

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QUOTE(cybaster89 @ Mar 6 2009, 11:02 PM)
finally found a grounding topic...
i plan for grounding and plan use 4awg but i find at several shop but they didint sell it, where can get the 4AWG cable ? and one meter for how much ringgit ???
and the "O" shape connector at both end side of cable should use what kind of metal ? where can get it lol ....

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if u getting branded cable like Stinger etc.it bout rm30-35 per meter

connector rm1.50-2 good one for 1unit. heatshrink tube rm4

soldering will gv u better connection

if u need the distribution block u can find me, i got tat.
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QUOTE(cybaster89 @ Mar 6 2009, 11:02 PM)
finally found a grounding topic...
i plan for grounding and plan use 4awg but i find at several shop but they didint sell it, where can get the 4AWG cable ? and one meter for how much ringgit ???
and the "O" shape connector at both end side of cable should use what kind of metal ? where can get it lol ....

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go to jalan pasar or big electronics or audio shop...look for a red cable which come with 4AWG or 8AWG..i saw few shop selling at Jalan Pasar..they can include the service to crimp the terminal too ( the round thing used to connect to baterry and other point) .. smile.gif smile.gif kinda cheap also...DIY urself lo..buy from outside exp la bro..hehe

if u interested then let me know la..coz i go Jalan Pasar there frequently.. ^^
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my brother said no need to put ground cable to alternator...it will blow..if put at something that move..like belt etc...

isit true?
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QUOTE(huakenny @ Mar 8 2009, 10:23 AM)
if u getting branded cable like Stinger etc.it bout rm30-35 per meter

connector rm1.50-2 good one for 1unit. heatshrink tube rm4

soldering will gv u better connection

if u need the distribution block u can find me, i got tat.
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QUOTE(kcgboyz @ Jul 6 2009, 06:05 PM)
my brother said no need to put ground cable to alternator...it will blow..if put at something that move..like belt etc...

isit true?
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wheres ur alternator moving to? unsure.gif
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QUOTE(kcgboyz @ Jul 6 2009, 06:05 PM)
my brother said no need to put ground cable to alternator...it will blow..if put at something that move..like belt etc...

isit true?
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it wont blow la... u can ground ur alternator for better charging effect... stray charge around ur alternator body will be grounded away... creating a neutral ground for electrons to flow more freely...

put at something dat moves??... ground ur belt??... wtf??...
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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Jul 7 2009, 05:35 AM)
it wont blow la... u can ground ur alternator for better charging effect... stray charge around ur alternator body will be grounded away... creating a neutral ground for electrons to flow more freely...

put at something dat moves??... ground ur belt??... wtf??...
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not grounding at timing belt lor...coz alternator got belt...nway, if i want to put to my kancil carburator ...which one screw is suitable..i heard someone said alternator also have positive and negative...but when i see my engine,i get confius edy....help me...
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QUOTE(kcgboyz @ Jul 7 2009, 08:40 AM)
not grounding at timing belt lor...coz alternator got belt...nway, if i want to put to my kancil carburator ...which one screw is suitable..i heard someone said alternator also have positive and negative...but when i see my engine,i get confius edy....help me...
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of coz u dont ground the alternator cable la duh... u connect to the alternator body la....
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QUOTE(kcgboyz @ Jul 7 2009, 08:40 AM)
not grounding at timing belt lor...coz alternator got belt...nway, if i want to put to my kancil carburator ...which one screw is suitable..i heard someone said alternator also have positive and negative...but when i see my engine,i get confius edy....help me...
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u can conect one power cable at + terminal at alternator directly to + terminal at battery

and grounding conect at alternator body/bracket directly to - terminal at battery
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what is grounding cable?..
computer stuff kah?..
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QUOTE(chewchew @ Jul 7 2009, 01:36 PM)
what is grounding cable?..
computer stuff kah?..
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here is technical talk for automotive lo.......nothing related to computer
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Sorry to bump an old thread.

Just wana ask, can I connect the ground cable from NEGATIVE terminal to e.g. the Engine Block & continue with another ground cable to e.g. the Alternator? (one cable tumpang another cable) - will this improve or useless?

Or is it compulsary that all ground cables have to be connect only from the NEGATIVE terminal to the recomended points like Alternator, Distributor, Engine Block & etc?

Hope you get what I mean. blush.gif
Because after market ground cables are kinda short & hard to reach some parts of the engine or chasis.
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QUOTE(ah liew @ Aug 21 2009, 09:55 PM)
Sorry to bump an old thread.

Just wana ask, can I connect the ground cable from NEGATIVE terminal to e.g. the Engine Block & continue with another ground cable to e.g. the Alternator? (one cable tumpang another cable) - will this improve or useless?

Or is it compulsary that all ground cables have to be connect only from the NEGATIVE terminal to the recomended points like Alternator, Distributor, Engine Block & etc?

Hope you get what I mean.  blush.gif
Because after market ground cables are kinda short & hard to reach some parts of the engine or chasis.
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QUOTE(huakenny @ Aug 21 2009, 10:16 PM)
can...depends ur setup
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Thanks for the reply Kenny, hows business? tongue.gif

I thought all setups are the same? hmm.gif
From a NEGATIVE Terminal to a recomended points? (Mother - Child)


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recently I having 1 problem, I cant start my car as normal. I already charge alternator and battery for 2 times . I also using sensor for start engine. I need turn key more than 4 or 5 time for start engine. Do I need grounding kit? Waja (year 2002)
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QUOTE(john2310 @ Sep 25 2011, 07:30 PM)
recently I having 1 problem, I cant start my car as normal. I already charge alternator and battery for 2 times .  I also using sensor for start engine. I need turn key more than 4 or 5 time for start engine. Do I need grounding kit?  Waja (year 2002)
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From what I read is you turn the key, it kicks but won't start. Looks more like tuning issue, fuel feed etc...
Did you step on accelerator?
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QUOTE(vr2turbo @ Sep 27 2011, 04:00 PM)
From what I read is you turn the key, it kicks but won't start. Looks more like tuning issue, fuel feed etc...
Did you step on accelerator?
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thanks for your reply.i try both, step on and without step on accelerator. the result is same. now i very difficult to start engine. it is same like battery no power. i feel having some problem with wiring but i not sure. pls assist me. thank u...
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QUOTE(john2310 @ Sep 27 2011, 10:33 PM)
thanks for your reply.i try both, step on and without step on accelerator. the result is same. now i very difficult to start engine. it is same like battery no power. i feel having some problem with wiring but i not sure. pls assist me. thank u...
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have you checked your battery strength via voltmeters?
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 27 2011, 10:37 PM)
have you checked your battery strength via voltmeters?
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thanks for reply.

not yet. but already change battery 3 times within 1 year. replaced 2 alternator within 6 months. it is any problem with the connection between battery and alternator
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QUOTE(john2310 @ Sep 27 2011, 10:53 PM)
thanks for reply.

not yet. but already change battery 3 times within 1 year.replaced 2  alternator within 6 months. it is any problem with the connection between battery and alternator
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shakehead.gif ..maybe got wiring prob?

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thanks for reply.

not yet. but already change battery 3 times within 1 year. replaced 2  alternator within 6 months. it is any problem with the connection between battery and alternator
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why have you changed battery/alternator so many times? my almost 12 years old car also never changed alternator, and battery i think maybe changed a total of 5-6 times (or less).

did the mechanics/foreman told you to change, and you just change without properly going through them (getting second opinions, or properly/thoroughly testing them etc)?
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QUOTE(john2310 @ Sep 27 2011, 10:53 PM)
not yet. but already change battery 3 times within 1 year. replaced 2  alternator within 6 months. it is any problem with the connection between battery and alternator
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You say maybe battery problem. When you start, if battery problem, the starter kick will be weak. Is that so?
You change 3 battery in 1 year, means under warranty, right? Battery are normally warranty for one year.
Why was the battery changed?
Did you check the alternator charging rate?
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HKS grounding cable ( 5 points ) original should have cost how much ? Because I saw quite some of them in this forum selling replica at RM25 . Replica works the same way ?
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QUOTE(mysql2779 @ Feb 29 2012, 09:17 PM)
HKS grounding cable ( 5 points ) original should have cost how much ? Because I saw quite some of them in this forum selling replica at RM25 . Replica works the same way ?
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yes and no.

first few months/1-2 years then it works almost the same, though in due time with corrosion and its thinner core (imitation, lol) it will eventually lose its effectiveness sad.gif
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Feb 29 2012, 10:32 PM)
yes and no.

first few months/1-2 years then it works almost the same, though in due time with corrosion and its thinner core (imitation, lol) it will eventually lose its effectiveness sad.gif
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if it works for 1-2 years , shud be worthy to install. only 25 bux. HAHA.. My doubt is the effectiveness.. How u think about tat ?

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if it works for 1-2 years , shud be worthy to install. only 25 bux. HAHA.. My doubt is the effectiveness.. How u think about tat ?
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if your car is very old with oxidized/corroded original grounding cables, then it'll be effective, else its a waste of money unless you have high current drawing equipments (eg: ICE)
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Mar 1 2012, 11:00 AM)
if your car is very old with oxidized/corroded original grounding cables, then it'll be effective, else its a waste of money unless you have high current drawing equipments (eg: ICE)
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I ad have VS in my car but i dont feel the differences with and without VS. shud I install grounding cable to test ?
My car considered old anot ? 2006.

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I ad have VS in my car but i dont feel the differences with and without VS. shud I install grounding cable to test ?
My car considered old anot ? 2006.
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2006 isnt that old, im sorta thinking 10+ years lol.

at least check your existing grounding cable condition, if it isnt very thin, no to minimal rust, especially on the connectors etc, then it is ok. and more so, if you add VS and no difference, adding grounding cable wont do you much either.

and again, if you arent using heavy current drawing equipments such as ICE, you really dont need it. spend the rm25 for 2x starf*cks/coffeebean/gloriajeans also better w
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Mar 1 2012, 11:13 AM)
2006 isnt that old, im sorta thinking 10+ years lol.

at least check your existing grounding cable condition, if it isnt very thin, no to minimal rust, especially on the connectors etc, then it is ok. and more so, if you add VS and no difference, adding grounding cable wont do you much either.

and again, if you arent using heavy current drawing equipments such as ICE, you really dont need it. spend the rm25 for 2x starf*cks/coffeebean/gloriajeans also better w
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LOL... biggrin.gif great advice.. Better spend on food instead of smth i don really need.. THANKS! Save my 25 bux...! biggrin.gif
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If you pasang wrongly, i suppose no explosion will happen la. The only effect that you will feel is that it doesnt give much positive effects compared with stock grounding lor that is already in your car when you first bought it smile.gif I installed 5 point imitation HKS in my car, so far so good smile.gif My friend who is a mechanic assisted me in installing it smile.gif
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QUOTE(mysql2779 @ Feb 29 2012, 09:17 PM)
HKS grounding cable ( 5 points ) original should have cost how much ? Because I saw quite some of them in this forum selling replica at RM25 . Replica works the same way ?
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i used 2 imitation brand of GC b4, its just a waste of money, get proper grounding cable, below rm100 can get a decent one, looks like u enquired from erictioh, i recommend his GC, u can also compare the weight of the cables, it tells you the quality difference. brows.gif
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QUOTE(adrianteddy @ Mar 1 2012, 10:29 AM)
If you pasang wrongly, i suppose no explosion will happen la. The only effect that you will feel is that it doesnt give much positive effects compared with stock grounding lor that is already in your car when you first bought it smile.gif I installed 5 point imitation HKS in my car, so far so good smile.gif My friend who is a mechanic assisted me in installing it smile.gif
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rclxms.gif totally agree .. if it properly installed at designated place .. it sure got result ..
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I use HKS imitation before, after change to Eric's GC ... got huge different.

So better don't waste money to get imitation if you need better result.
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QUOTE(tyenfei @ Mar 9 2012, 12:29 AM)
I use HKS imitation before, after change to Eric's GC ... got huge different.

So better don't waste money to get imitation if you need better result.
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bro ..once u using different cable n attach to the same point/location ??
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QUOTE(Naughty_Kidz @ Mar 9 2012, 12:48 AM)
bro ..once u using different cable n attach to the same point/location ??
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hm.. 3 point same, another 2 different.
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pivot vs guangdao... hmm
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QUOTE(tyenfei @ Mar 9 2012, 08:15 AM)
hm.. 3 point same, another 2 different.
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ooh.. i c .. .but 1 thng is for sure .. bigger size of cable will provide better performance .. this is for sure .. cz i got tested with different type of cable size .. and the location installing the gc is also very important .. .even it said that can installing at any location of car body to battery (-) but different location had different usage of it ..

since eric's gc is much thicker than hks imitation gc ..sure will got better performance and result .. but we cant compare both of it since the price had a big different .. = (
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for stock standard vehicles, im using pivot original grounding...so far so good.

even the taiwan made hks grounding, it still got little but effects la...better than nothing rclxm9.gif
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Some people even use good quality welding cable to DIY grounding cable.

Also got good result.

So .... no point spending money for cheap imitation if you want the good result or solve your problem. Else you will either

1. keep on compare/ research/ spend for another gc (end up pay more)
2. or just leave it and assuming that the "best" result.

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QUOTE(tyenfei @ Mar 12 2012, 10:50 AM)
Some people even use good quality welding cable to DIY grounding cable.

Also got good result.

So .... no point spending money for cheap imitation if you want the good result or solve your problem. Else you will either

1. keep on compare/ research/ spend for another gc (end up pay more)
2. or just leave it and assuming that the "best" result.

cheers smile.gif
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weldinh cable is cheap but not so recommended, if got budget get better one.

OFC grounding is better way to go. regarding the 4ga or 6ga or 8ga size, its all depends
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[quote=huakenny,Mar 12 2012, 12:57 PM]
weldinh cable is cheap but not so recommended, if got budget get better one.

wondering why u said welding cable not recomended ..


Added on March 12, 2012, 6:54 pm[quote=huakenny,Mar 12 2012, 09:57 AM]
for stock standard vehicles, im using pivot original grounding...so far so good.

even the taiwan made hks grounding, it still got little but effects la...better than nothing rclxm9.gif
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yeap .. agree with u .. got little better than nothing .. since the price is just rm25-rm35 in market .. .so wad type of big result do we expected ??

hey ..bro ..mind share wad type pivot cable u using .. ?


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pivot original only got one type grounding lo bro

i hv been installed to my fairlady 350z(tested genuine hot inazma n pivot), GTR R35(hot inazma)....effects should be there but minimal, hardly can feel....at least battery not so fast kong i can said...maybe those cars still consider new?

i installed it to my 1993 impreza gc8 with my previous custom made 4GA OFC cable + zaptor vs.

the most significant effects i felt :

aircond become cooler immediately

headlight brighter for sure at night

easier to start/crank

room light no longer dimmed when play sound system

dash meter light brighter immediately too

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will the bad grounding affect instrument cluster??
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will the bad grounding affect instrument cluster??
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it all depends where u r grounded to
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QUOTE(huakenny @ Mar 13 2012, 05:35 PM)
it all depends where u r grounded to
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i suspected is stock grounding faulty liao.. because all meter can't run sad.gif but the gear/handbrake light still able to work
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hi all...need an advise from all the sifu's here.... notworthy.gif

if i'm to use 5-point for iswara 1.5 4g15 12v stock engine...

where is the best place/point should i connect the cable's to for better and best result? icon_question.gif

hope you can help me to advise,if could provide a picture of the engine and exact points,i would be grateful.. unsure.gif ... really need your help upon this... icon_question.gif
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One to front panel,one to alternator, one to distributor, one to firewall, one to engine head/block

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