QUOTE(Zaire.Ver @ Aug 10 2020, 03:09 PM)
Natural gas is more expensive than coal. We can go full blast on natural gas but later tariff increase you also complain.Why is Malaysia still stuck on coal for energy?
Why is Malaysia still stuck on coal for energy?
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Aug 10 2020, 03:11 PM
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Aug 10 2020, 03:17 PM
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Aug 10 2020, 03:50 PM
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Aug 10 2020, 04:00 PM
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QUOTE(FLYING PANTIES @ Aug 10 2020, 03:05 PM) You think Malaysia solar panel can power up entire city? still don't get why you only keep focusing on solar alone. we are talking renewable my boi. And imagine the amount of deforestation we need to do to achieve such generous amount of energy. In the effort to save the climate, are we going to destroy our environment and wildlife? solar can be supplemented by other renewable. deforestation for solar? how about we start with solar panels on houses and buildings first. there are also floating solar panels. |
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Aug 10 2020, 04:08 PM
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QUOTE(yolo1990 @ Aug 10 2020, 04:00 PM) still don't get why you only keep focusing on solar alone. we are talking renewable my boi. Solar panel on housing isnt very effective considering its degree of harvesting.solar can be supplemented by other renewable. deforestation for solar? how about we start with solar panels on houses and buildings first. there are also floating solar panels. What else renewable energy viable for Malaysia? Wind? Hydro? |
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Aug 10 2020, 04:09 PM
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claypot chicken rice guna coal manyak sedap wor
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Aug 10 2020, 04:10 PM
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QUOTE(FLYING PANTIES @ Aug 10 2020, 04:08 PM) Solar panel on housing isnt very effective considering its degree of harvesting. Wind, dey tested in Terengganu which has d highest wind record in Malaysia, it seem not enough wind speed n period for wind power in MalaysiaWhat else renewable energy viable for Malaysia? Wind? Hydro? |
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Aug 10 2020, 04:12 PM
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Aug 10 2020, 04:15 PM
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Coal is the most cost effective power source for base load plants. Gas is alot more expensive. Solar is just supplementary since it is neither a stable nor reliable source of power. In contrast to what people think of Malaysia being a tropical country, our solar power is not that reliable because we have high cloud cover, and seasonal factors like monsoon and haze will impact power generation. Even if solar becomes cheaper than coal, it will still not be realistic to shift dependence to solar in a big way. Hydro is feasible but environmentalists and human rights organisations will scream bloody murder as well, so you can't please everyone.
Keep dreaming folks. |
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Aug 10 2020, 04:31 PM
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QUOTE(Havoc Knightmare @ Aug 10 2020, 04:15 PM) Coal is the most cost effective power source for base load plants. Gas is alot more expensive. Solar is just supplementary since it is neither a stable nor reliable source of power. In contrast to what people think of Malaysia being a tropical country, our solar power is not that reliable because we have high cloud cover, and seasonal factors like monsoon and haze will impact power generation. Even if solar becomes cheaper than coal, it will still not be realistic to shift dependence to solar in a big way. Hydro is feasible but environmentalists and human rights organisations will scream bloody murder as well, so you can't please everyone. Nuclear might be the answer but any politician dare to bring this up is as good as committing career suicide. Lynas already caused big hoohaa. What more if a big ass nuclear plant.Keep dreaming folks. |
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Aug 10 2020, 04:36 PM
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QUOTE(ico12 @ Aug 10 2020, 04:31 PM) Nuclear might be the answer but any politician dare to bring this up is as good as committing career suicide. Lynas already caused big hoohaa. What more if a big ass nuclear plant. I wanted to mention nuclear, but left it out because not politically feasible either. |
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Aug 10 2020, 05:11 PM
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I thought Msia wanted to do small modular reactor. No progress it seems
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Aug 10 2020, 05:18 PM
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QUOTE(Havoc Knightmare @ Aug 10 2020, 04:36 PM) So far I can think of 2 scenarios where it's possible to deploy nuclear plant:1. Malaysia is back to the old Mahathir-era - democracy but it's actually an iron fist rule. Can bulldoze everything. 2. Peer pressure - if neighboring Asean countries successfully adopt nuclear and gained significant benefits from it then the gomen will have a stronger case to convince the people. Plus point if (1) is already achieved. I don't agree with implementation of nuclear though. Not until we clean up corruption. This shit requires max safety, no cutting corners and cronyism should go far away before we are ready for this. |
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Aug 10 2020, 05:28 PM
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those who say solar panel cant be the dominant energy supply is really katak bawah tempurung lol
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Aug 10 2020, 05:32 PM
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we need nuclear energy
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Aug 10 2020, 05:49 PM
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QUOTE(ico12 @ Aug 10 2020, 04:31 PM) Nuclear might be the answer but any politician dare to bring this up is as good as committing career suicide. Lynas already caused big hoohaa. What more if a big ass nuclear plant. i support nuclearit just that most people got brainwashed by politicians and media scared of nuclear like shark This post has been edited by Zaire.Ver: Aug 10 2020, 05:50 PM |
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Aug 10 2020, 05:57 PM
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simple answer
cost higher flexibility in terms of plant min load |
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Aug 11 2020, 11:00 AM
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in the first place malaysia already over produced energy. at current usage malaysia have above 30% spare capacity which is going to waste if not mistaken. Nachiino Etamay pls comment further on this
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Aug 11 2020, 02:36 PM
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QUOTE(selow and timid @ Aug 11 2020, 11:00 AM) in the first place malaysia already over produced energy. at current usage malaysia have above 30% spare capacity which is going to waste if not mistaken. Nachiino Etamay pls comment further on this It's for security of supply. We are only interconnected to Singapork and Thai. Unlike European countries where there are interconnections all over the place so they can suppork each other. Deswai no need high reserve capacity there. |
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Aug 11 2020, 03:31 PM
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QUOTE(ico12 @ Aug 11 2020, 02:36 PM) It's for security of supply. We are only interconnected to Singapork and Thai. Unlike European countries where there are interconnections all over the place so they can suppork each other. Deswai no need high reserve capacity there. that's the theory...i would argue that its to funnel billions of ringgit to IPP cronies. being a layman i cannot comment further except to say that we should compare with Thailand and Singapore. do they also have such a high reserve margin of 30%? |
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