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 Why is Malaysia still stuck on coal for energy?

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milosusu
post Aug 10 2020, 12:51 AM

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QUOTE(Lord Tiki Mick @ Aug 9 2020, 11:20 PM)
We still outdated, some countries already started to use waste-to-energy.
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langkawi got 1
yolo1990
post Aug 10 2020, 12:57 AM

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QUOTE(FLYING PANTIES @ Aug 9 2020, 11:27 PM)
Bollocks. Renewable energy will never be able to produce generous amount of energy to sustain.
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but Iceland is 87% renewable. Hydro can sustain majority kut. understand solar and wind depend on weather.
Lord Tiki Mick
post Aug 10 2020, 12:59 AM

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QUOTE(milosusu @ Aug 10 2020, 12:51 AM)
langkawi got 1
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Walao for real? Why the hell not every state use this method. Should be promising. Summore can tackle waste management issues.
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post Aug 10 2020, 01:02 AM

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QUOTE(milosusu @ Aug 10 2020, 12:51 AM)
langkawi got 1
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QUOTE(Lord Tiki Mick @ Aug 10 2020, 12:59 AM)
Walao for real? Why the hell not every state use this method. Should be promising. Summore can tackle waste management issues.
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Negeri Sembilan also got.
https://www.nst.com.my/news/exclusive/2019/...s-another-delay

This thing cost money.
Maybe untung no up.
So not many people want to invest.
Lord Tiki Mick
post Aug 10 2020, 01:05 AM

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QUOTE(Maja Helmi @ Aug 10 2020, 01:02 AM)
Negeri Sembilan also got.
https://www.nst.com.my/news/exclusive/2019/...s-another-delay

This thing cost money.
Maybe untung no up.
So not many people want to invest.
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But only TNB provides electricity right?
FLYING PANTIES
post Aug 10 2020, 01:37 AM

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QUOTE(yolo1990 @ Aug 10 2020, 12:57 AM)
but Iceland is 87% renewable. Hydro can sustain majority kut. understand solar and wind depend on weather.
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Genius.

Compare geothermal nation with Malaysia that mostly rains and sunny.
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post Aug 10 2020, 02:08 AM

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Malaysia nuclear energy? What a joke and a modern day Chernobyl waiting to happen with a Beirut level explosion. Malaysia can't even figure out a God damn tunnel but people want to look towards nuclear energy. The Malaysian gov can't even keep jabatan Kimia building from deteriorating let alone nuclear power plant.
SUSAngelic Layer
post Aug 10 2020, 02:34 AM

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A third of Japan's energy came from coal despite their effort.
How can Malaysia be possibly different, don't even talk about US.
rickyro
post Aug 10 2020, 02:49 AM

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1. Nuclear
2. incinerator with a super filter that emits clean air.. Our waste has so much energy there, on top of that landfill sucks
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post Aug 10 2020, 02:50 AM

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QUOTE(yolo1990 @ Aug 10 2020, 12:57 AM)
but Iceland is 87% renewable. Hydro can sustain majority kut. understand solar and wind depend on weather.
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Iceland bankrupt already at 2008.
And the whole country only have a little more than 300k citizens.
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post Aug 10 2020, 06:42 AM

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Not many industry willing to invest in renewable energy. It's doable but expensive. These boomers controlling energy industry care about their pocket first. Peninsula has alot of factories and they need stable energy output from power plant. Coal is the best to give this. Not saying renewable can't but the investment is huge and these boomers won't outlast the roi for the investment. Last year I heard TNB got solar farm project somewhere planned to do or they doing, can't remember well.
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post Aug 10 2020, 06:53 AM

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QUOTE(FLYING PANTIES @ Aug 9 2020, 11:28 PM)
In another note, I think Nuclear Energy is the future. We need to start studying and research on nuclear and be more open for discussions.

We are not China to be able to plant many solar and wind turbine for our energy sources.

Renewable energy is bollocks for country with limited amount of lands.
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no lmao we definitely can't handle nuclear
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post Aug 10 2020, 06:56 AM

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a bit misleading la, investment is big is gas turbine power , IPP and tnb have 5 state of the art gas turbines with world record efficiency being constructed currently , total capacity over 3.5GW , the last coal was jimah power plant , the remaining manjung 1,2,3 ppa will also,expire soon and likely replaced with gas turbine also

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sakaic
post Aug 10 2020, 06:58 AM

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QUOTE(YamiBear @ Aug 10 2020, 06:42 AM)
Not many industry willing to invest in renewable energy. It's doable but expensive. These boomers controlling energy industry care about their pocket first. Peninsula has alot of factories and they need stable energy output from power plant. Coal is the best to give this. Not saying renewable can't but the investment is huge and these boomers won't outlast the roi for the investment. Last year I heard TNB got solar farm project somewhere planned to do or they doing, can't remember well.
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Coal is cheap and the infra is there. That's the only reason it's the primary. If you out in things like carbon tax into the equation then not so cheap. Then a closer second would probably be solar due to the rapid drop of panel pricing from China. But solar farm ROI is typically 5-10 years depending on size and land acquisition costs. From a business point of view, that's slow. A coal gen plant can ROI in 2-3 years typically.
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post Aug 10 2020, 07:14 AM

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QUOTE(FLYING PANTIES @ Aug 9 2020, 11:28 PM)
In another note, I think Nuclear Energy is the future. We need to start studying and research on nuclear and be more open for discussions.

We are not China to be able to plant many solar and wind turbine for our energy sources.

Renewable energy is bollocks for country with limited amount of lands.
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Once leaking, gg peninsula, we become like Peninsula
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post Aug 10 2020, 07:15 AM

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Because we haven't unlock the advanced power tech tree yet.
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post Aug 10 2020, 07:22 AM

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QUOTE(sakaic @ Aug 10 2020, 06:58 AM)
Coal is cheap and the infra is there. That's the only reason it's the primary. If you out in things like carbon tax into the equation then not so cheap. Then a closer second would probably be solar due to the rapid drop of panel pricing from China. But solar farm ROI is typically 5-10 years depending on size and land acquisition costs. From a business point of view, that's slow. A coal gen plant can ROI in 2-3 years typically.
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I wouldn't say the reason it's cheap and the infra is there is it's primary. In heavy industry areas, you will expect to see maximum demand to increase at times, especially when the weather is hot or there's an unprecedented activity in industrialized area that would cause the increase in maximum demand. Renewable energy is passive generation, you can't expect it to generate more power than it already is as the maximum demand increase. Also you can argue it's possible to invest in battery but it's very expensive as it is heavy too. That would add up to the cost (money, space, transportation, etc.) by a lot. In order to reliably generate power from renewable energy, you definitely have to predict a lot in maximum demand. As the maximum demand graph trend to goes upward, it's easier to just increase the electrical output from the coal generator. From my observation to how Malaysia aims to go renewable is to have coal generator to operate but to reduce it's generation while having a lot of renewable energy sources to meet the usual demand. When there is expectation to increase the power output, the generator is online and ready to increase its output. Current coal generator is at 40 percent coal burning efficiency with 20 percent recovered energy from excess heat from the first process to operate the steam turbine. In total, coal generator is much more efficient than solar energy. Those that argue that solar energy is at 50 percent efficiency is such that is the best case, and iirc that's in Australia. In most cases around the globe it barely touches 30 percent and most even less than that.
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post Aug 10 2020, 07:24 AM

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seven countries already at, or very, near 100 percent renewable power:

Iceland (100 percent), Paraguay (100), Costa Rica (99), Norway (98.5), Austria (80), Brazil (75), and Denmark (69.4)
FLYING PANTIES
post Aug 10 2020, 07:25 AM

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QUOTE(butterkijen @ Aug 10 2020, 06:53 AM)
no lmao we definitely can't handle nuclear
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QUOTE(Mr.Robert @ Aug 10 2020, 07:14 AM)
Once leaking, gg peninsula, we become like Peninsula
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That's is why we should start researching and study from the countries that had nuclear energy for years. Start from now and maybe in 10 years we will be able to have our own nuclear plant.

Have no fear. 20 years ago people were afraid of flying even though flying was the safest way of transportation and now people are afraid of nuclear.
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post Aug 10 2020, 07:27 AM

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QUOTE(Legozz @ Aug 9 2020, 10:14 PM)
You mean Malaya?

In general Malaysia electricity generation comprises around 80% non-renewable energy (Natural Gas, Coal, Oil etc). However, almost the all of the non-renewable dependency is in Malaya.

In Sarawak, the ratio is reversed, where more than 80% is generated from renewable energy (hydropower, solar, etc)
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LOL

Sarawak also the only state got coal mining

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