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post Nov 4 2021, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(tigerjkt @ Nov 4 2021, 12:23 PM)
I guess he used 5.5% / 4 = 1.38%.  But the point is, you put money there for 3 months, then you cannot annualized it using 12 months period to derive the return%.  That's very misleading
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i get what u r saying, but u mixed up the term
they refer 'real/actual return' to 1.38% is when they DID NOT annualised the return, hence u do not see the p.a.
but i agree with your point that we should refer to the annualised return (p.a.) for comparison
the daily compounding interest should also be taken into consideration

there is one issue which i m not quite sure about
the GO+ maximum limit is RM 9,500, not sure if they will accumulate the bonus earnings since it will be payout to ewallet instead

QUOTE(tan_aniki @ Nov 4 2021, 12:57 PM)
guys, 4%pa is per annum, 1 Nov to 31 Jan only 92 days, so over these period you only got 4% / 365 x 92 ~= 1%

as for the standard rate we assume 1.5%pa, so you will get the usual 1.5% / 365 x 92 ~= 0.378%

so total you will get 1.378% of RM9500 = RM130.91 at the end of 31 Jan 2022
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and that is the point
annualised return is easier for comparison
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post Nov 5 2021, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(Nemozai @ Nov 4 2021, 02:07 PM)
Will be credited to eWallet within 3 business days. From Touch N Go FAQ session.

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ermm...u did not get my question
it's not about where or whether u get the bonus earnings, it's about how much u will get

my question is whether they will accumulate the bonus earnings when calculating the interest and bonus, despite not being credited in GO+ balance
or they will just base on the go+ balance which is (balance + interest, without bonus)

QUOTE(xander83 @ Nov 4 2021, 07:53 PM)
Why bother calculating annualized when you already know the actual return period instead  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
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because most financial products are marketed with annualised return?
or would u rather calculate the actual return for them, e.g. 3-month FD 1.85% ~ 0.47%, etc
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post Nov 9 2021, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Nov 8 2021, 09:03 PM)
why topup in the first place if not using?  sweat.gif
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let's say u top up with Public Quantum Mastercard for RM 600
but u r only required to pay RM 570 due to cash back
if u top up with Affin Visa Cash Back for RM 3,000
but u r only required to pay RM 2,920 due to cash back
without taking into consideration of go+ interest

there are also UOB Yolo, Hong Leong Wise... n if u r diligent enough to RM 9,500...cash out and repeat
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post Nov 9 2021, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Nov 9 2021, 12:41 AM)
no no no. Imagine TNG asking you this question. What is your answer?
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QUOTE(victorian @ Nov 9 2021, 01:03 AM)
One mishap your and is game over for you
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QUOTE(cybpsych @ Nov 9 2021, 08:19 AM)
even if you managed to do this once or twice, it doesnt mean you can do it continuously without raising RED FLAGS to TNGD.
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lol
well, i was just trying to answer the person who asked the question of why cash in and cash out

QUOTE(perfect10 @ Nov 9 2021, 09:21 AM)
hie, I dont have alot to put in, i.e RM9500 to benefit from the 4% promo, do you think if I put in RM2K will it make a difference?
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no worries, if the bonus last towards the end of the campaign period, the bonus interest earned will be less than RM 100
so the cap of RM 9500 itself is the limit
but if you have any spare money beyond RM 200, why not earning 5% p.a. without lock in period?
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post Nov 15 2021, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(zinze36 @ Nov 14 2021, 01:05 PM)
just realise tng go+ have 4% extra interest
if i deposit rm9k using online banking, if is safe for me to withdraw the money to bank after the promotion period?
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QUOTE(cybpsych @ Nov 14 2021, 01:10 PM)
better do staggered low amount withdrawal, not like lumpsum 9k+ withdrawal.
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i don't see any issue with fpx cash in, it's money market fund afterall

QUOTE(Human Nature @ Nov 14 2021, 08:09 PM)
When we make payment, I believe it deducts the money from the wallet first, right?

If the wallet has insufficient balance, will it then deduct just the insufficient amount from GO+, or directly deduct all from GO+?
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post Dec 6 2021, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Dec 5 2021, 10:34 PM)
Nope already over 3 days, and i know the amount in Go+ can go over 9.5K inside with the interest just that cant topup more than that.
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yes, the daily earnings will be credited in go+ beyond RM 9.5k but not the 4% bonus earnings if u read the FAQ
Friday federal territories public holiday, Saturday, Sunday - none are business days

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post Dec 10 2021, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(tan_aniki @ Dec 8 2021, 08:31 PM)
u thought that's a clever move?
wait till next time after he clear go+ and cash in again
unless he is not planning to deposit into go+ anymore, else he might miss future campaign if ban from deposit into go+ forever
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nah, he would probably be banned from cash in from ewallet but he could still cash in with fpx
but the amount in the ewallet...
first time offence still possible to withdraw
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post Dec 16 2021, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(posthumous @ Dec 16 2021, 01:33 AM)
is there a monetary benefit in cashing in/out immediately or do you just like living dangerously?
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he utilised the credit given
fund the 9.5k with credit card without forking out a single cent, cash out to repay on cc due date, then repeat this cycle
in short, there is no initial investment cost

imagine a credit card which provides cash back on ewallet reload
the return on the cash back alone is way above than the earnings from go+
(RM 80 x 12 - RM50) / RM 9,500 ~ 9.5% p.a.
if zero initial investment cost is factored in, 900% p.a. with a few click
combining with multiple cash back cards... RM 3,000 + RM 2,500 + RM 4,000, RM 1,820 p.a.
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post Dec 17 2021, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(LostAndFound @ Dec 17 2021, 08:44 AM)
Makes me laugh to see 'zero initial investment cost'. Taking loan from bank to deposit in ASNB is also 'zero investment cost' in that scenario. You take on liability for this game. While I agree that it is profitable, 'cost' is not just measured in ringgit out of pocket.
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what a brilliant analogy rclxms.gif
is there interest-free period from bank loan?
do u pay interest on credit card usage before due date?
is ASNB return fixed/guaranteed?
so I don't quite understand how u connect the two where one instance is with known outcome but not the other
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post Dec 17 2021, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(LostAndFound @ Dec 17 2021, 10:34 AM)
Whether interest is charged or not is not known until you have actually done the repayment.
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so...what is wrong with zero 'initial' investment cost, whereby no upfront payment including the investment amount?
QUOTE(LostAndFound @ Dec 17 2021, 10:34 AM)
Your basic assumptions are:-
1. interest-free period applies (e.g. no outstanding balance or late charges)
2. Withdrawal is done at the 'correct' timing to avoid interest/late charges
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did u read the post I replied to? #12013
and i think i've made it quite clear that the credit card balance must be repaid on due date in the post u replied to, they are not assumptions but actual execution
your what-if analysis is beyond the scope of the plan i mentioned
yes, they r both liabilities but only one is possible for exploitation
QUOTE(LostAndFound @ Dec 17 2021, 10:34 AM)
In fact I would say these assumptions only apply for a minority of CC using population.
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not sure the source where u infer that the minority would pay the statement balance on or before due date
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post Jan 3 2022, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(KyusukeFD3S @ Jan 3 2022, 01:33 PM)
I failed to cash in go+ for the first time.
now it stuck at "Initial cash-in transaction processing"
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can u cash in go+ again?
the processing will fail anyway

QUOTE(ikanbilis @ Jan 3 2022, 01:41 PM)
If i cash out Go+ RM9500 on Jan 28 (Fri) before 4pm, will i get the money on Jan 29 (Sat) or Jan 31 (Mon)? hmm.gif
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ewallet or bank account?
officially, it's business day if u r referring to bank account
so should be credited to bank on Monday if u made the withdrawal before 4pm on Friday
last time i withdrew on 2 December 2021, credited to bank on 6 December 2021

edit: possibly due to first time transfer which requires verification
second withdrawal on 11 December 2021, credited on 12 December 2021

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post Jan 3 2022, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(ikanbilis @ Jan 3 2022, 04:28 PM)
Yes, i checked the FAQ again and it says 2 calendar days after bank verification.

I just want all my Go+ money on 31 Jan in my bank account so i could use them as angpow on CNY.
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1 day earnings + bonus maximum RM 1.50+-
worth stressing over the cashflow planning sweat.gif
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post Jan 7 2022, 01:05 AM

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QUOTE(ClarenceT @ Jan 6 2022, 05:42 PM)
What if the cash-out will go back to "source" (wallet) instead of bank account!
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transfer to TNG of family members?
close TNG account?

QUOTE(beLIEve @ Jan 6 2022, 07:33 PM)
I've a hunch they will extend it. But again, 2022 is payback time, i.e. much lesser goodies everywhere.
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i m surprised that the allocation has not been fully distributed to date
but i m not optimistic on the extension of bonus earnings
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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Feb 15 2022, 11:32 PM)
Aiya, so kedekut already  tongue.gif

New clause:
The Bonus Rate will only apply to a maximum GO+ balance amount of RM3,000.00.
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lol, limited marketing budget
too generous last time
4% bonus, RM 4m allocation
but was surprised by their projection accuracy on the amount and duration, which finished a few days earlier
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post Feb 16 2022, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(Hoshiyuu @ Feb 16 2022, 12:27 PM)
Feel like I'm the odd one out here, used TnG eWallet since release, every month basically half my salary go into eWallet on first day of the month, had my emergency fund in Go+ the entire duration of previous promotion
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i find go+ as a good parking for emergency fund, the return is probably lower than other money market fund
but instant payment/transfer should make up for the lower return (so it will be somewhere between MMF and CASA)
instead of tracking the cashback category provided by credit cards, just monitor the maximum cap on ewallet, save the hassle

QUOTE(Hoshiyuu @ Feb 16 2022, 01:12 PM)
I normally use OCBC Frank and latter on, Versa, now planning for Kenanga's 3%. Before this I used due GO+ having promotion rates that are better than my regular. At the moment I put in 3k in TnG again since, well, good rates up to RM3k.

I recall Hong Leong's 2.3% has quite some conditionals right? If it doesn't, I'm interested, I didn't go with OCBC HISA due to having too much conditionals.
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opportunity cost is all u need to consider
for me, OCBC Flex is already good enough if go+ does not offer bonus campaign
not sure how much rebate did Versa provide last year

minimum deposit RM 10k
https://www.hlb.com.my/en/personal-banking/...fd-i-promo.html
FPX too, but it's simple if having two online banking account
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QUOTE(tan_aniki @ Feb 23 2022, 07:45 PM)
Those who refuse to install RFID is taking a step back for the implementation of MLFF. Those who knew RFID should know that it is using radio frequency and it also based on distance range. The reason why sometime car unable to pass the barrier is due to the sensor distance set too short and need minimal distance in order for it to scan. They also cannot set it too far as this will sense the car on next lane which was going to use paydirect instead. For in order for us to get rid of the toll and implement MLFF asap, we need to install RFID on every car. If I'm the minister, I will definitely force just one lane on the left for those who still insist to use TNG card. Without enforcement for people to change, this will drag forever…
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i totally support RFID and MLFF but RM 35...meh...
same as pcdoctor, had 1 installed for free during pilot phase, not happy to pay RM 35 now
transition takes time and we are probably not ready yet, toll evaders for instance

QUOTE(gooroojee @ Feb 23 2022, 08:23 PM)
How does that help? If all lanes use RFID, doesn't mean you can expand the sensor until it can read the next lane either, else you get crossed signals all over all the time.
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RFID MLFF
hopefully it helps your understanding
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QUOTE(tan_aniki @ Feb 24 2022, 02:36 AM)
Before that got free why wait till start to "fine" then only move?
I believe when mass usage the price will go down to RM1 eventually or FOC when u buy a car
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not sure if i understand your statement correctly
why not installing RFID while it was free? hmm.gif
because X50, Ativa has not been launched during that time, toyota safety sense, honda sensing was non-existence
installed just because it was free despite knowing that will be buying a new car in near future won't help either
since they are pushing for RFID and yet charging RM 35 just does not sound logical
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QUOTE(drifters @ Mar 25 2022, 12:12 PM)
Yes noticed the same too. But doesn’t seem right no? System glitch? Before load say I have got 5000 transferable limit (actually the dashboard still say i have 5000 limit) however when load > 5k ie.7k the whole 7k amount is locked.
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actually, i m not surprised
given how the quick reload payment works
u will be able to pay only if u have full amount in either balance, they won't combine the balance for u
so i guess it applies to the new transferable balance rule too, so they don't separate for u either
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post Mar 30 2022, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(special @ Mar 30 2022, 01:13 AM)
so whatever you top up using your credit card that exceed 5k, your extra say 1k or 2k or whatever your wallet can hold will be non transferable.
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this statement could be misleading
there were reports of the allocation of transferable/non-transferable balance

so long as they don't remove/modify the clause 1.6 in users TNC, there will be no guarantee
u could always use your interpretation/common sense
but don't judge

QUOTE(deejay220989 @ Mar 24 2022, 12:52 PM)
Just sharing my experience with the new transferable/non-transferable thing.

Reloaded RM 3,100 using credit card. There was a warning that since RM 3,100 exceeds the transferable credit card reload limit for the month, the reload will be considered non-transferable.
But it says I have RM 2,000 transferable.
Anyway, I just proceed to reload, and bam! RM 3,100 considered non-transferable.

Later, I reloaded RM 10 using credit card, and well, that RM 10 is transferable..

So, DO NOT reload more than your transferable credit card reload limit. My limit is RM 2,000, so I should not reload more than that.

I thought I was able to at least transfer RM2,000, but the entire RM 3,100 is locked..
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QUOTE(drifters @ Mar 25 2022, 12:12 PM)
Yes noticed the same too. But doesn’t seem right no? System glitch? Before load say I have got 5000 transferable limit (actually the dashboard still say i have 5000 limit) however when load > 5k ie.7k the whole 7k amount is locked.
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