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TSnightlordccc
post Aug 2 2020, 03:40 AM, updated 6y ago

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Hi sifus, I'm currently driving a myvi icon 1.5 adv for grab. When loading 4-5 passengers I notice my rear tyres will sometimes scrape the wheel arch (inside not fender) should I change my rear springs or absorbers.
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post Aug 2 2020, 03:43 AM

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stiffer spring. or u can install bump stop instead

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post Aug 2 2020, 03:46 AM

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QUOTE(kurangak @ Aug 2 2020, 03:43 AM)
stiffer spring.
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Thanks for your help. Any recommended spring rate without sacrificing ride comfort.
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post Aug 2 2020, 03:50 AM

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QUOTE(nightlordccc @ Aug 2 2020, 03:46 AM)
Thanks for your help. Any recommended spring rate without sacrificing ride comfort.
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u need to find that out urself. install bump stop if u dont want to mess around with the suspension. itll stop ur tyre from scraping the fender.


but it wont stop ur rear suspension from bottoming out tho. so instead of scraping sound, ull hear a loud thud instead sweat.gif
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QUOTE(nightlordccc @ Aug 2 2020, 03:40 AM)
Hi sifus, I'm currently driving a myvi icon 1.5 adv for grab. When loading 4-5 passengers I notice my rear tyres will sometimes scrape the wheel arch (inside not fender) should I change my rear springs or absorbers.
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Only shock absorbers. Spring can be on full compression position and still not damaged.
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post Aug 2 2020, 06:14 AM

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QUOTE(waghyu @ Aug 2 2020, 04:30 AM)
Only shock absorbers. Spring can be on full compression position and still not damaged.
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Correct me if I'm wrong.
Isnt that the easily fully compressed spring (soft) causing the wheel to scrape the arch? Which I need to find a stiffer spring so that it will not fully compressed even under heavy load.
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post Aug 2 2020, 07:56 AM

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I just remembered, u can also change ur spring to a progressive spring if u want to keep cabin comfort. But this usually will lower ur car, so idk if this can be applied to u or not. U can also try to roll ur fender (if ure sure the tyre is rubbing at the fender not the wheel well)
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post Aug 2 2020, 08:10 AM

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QUOTE(nightlordccc @ Aug 2 2020, 06:14 AM)
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Isnt that the easily fully compressed spring (soft) causing the wheel to scrape the arch? Which I need to find a stiffer spring so that it will not fully compressed even under heavy load.
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You need sniffer springs and a stronger shock. Springs are rated to weight/per measurement of compression. Say kg/cm or lbs/inch. This is called the spring rate.

The higher the number, the stiffer it is and more weight it can carry.

Progressive springs also work well, as more coils gets compressed, the effective spring rates increase. (trucks use leaf springs, which are a type of progressive spring). The problem with progressive coil springs is that they are expensive. Alternatively you can look for a set of adjustable height coil overs, with stiffer springs. Do understand, once you put on stiffer springs, the cars ride will be less comfortable if not loaded. For this some coil overs have a helper spring setup so if you car is lightly loaded, your ride won't go to shit.

Sorry I have no idea what the ratings on the springs on a myvi nor what is available in the market so you need to do your own product research.

This is just basic general info.

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post Aug 2 2020, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(nightlordccc @ Aug 2 2020, 06:14 AM)
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Isnt that the easily fully compressed spring (soft) causing the wheel to scrape the arch? Which I need to find a stiffer spring so that it will not fully compressed even under heavy load.
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There is tiny bump stop in event the spring fully loaded and fully compressed. So trust me it’s only the shocks that need replacement. Change all four.
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post Aug 2 2020, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(nightlordccc @ Aug 2 2020, 03:46 AM)
Thanks for your help. Any recommended spring rate without sacrificing ride comfort.
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it's sagging
if u want it cheap
just change the spring to sport spring while maintain original absorber
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post Aug 2 2020, 10:05 AM

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In my opinion, the rear of the car will sure go down and hit the fender if passenger load increases.

If you replace to stiff springs and shocks, ride comfort will definitely be sacrificed. Not to mention if there's no passenger, it will ride rock hard at the rear.


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post Aug 2 2020, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(nightlordccc @ Aug 2 2020, 03:40 AM)
Hi sifus, I'm currently driving a myvi icon 1.5 adv for grab. When loading 4-5 passengers I notice my rear tyres will sometimes scrape the wheel arch (inside not fender) should I change my rear springs or absorbers.
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Simple solution is install a spring buffer, not ideal but the the cheapest and should work. Another cheap solution is replace the bump stopper with longer one but it might not last as long if you often fully load your car hence it will often get hit. Ideal solution is to change to stiffer springs but the questions what springs are stiffer yet same height as stock? Because most stiffer aftermarket springs are also lower hence you'd still risk scrapping.
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post Aug 2 2020, 11:57 AM

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you can definitely find suspension set up that can raise the height, but those are more for look than performance so you might end up riding a pogo stick. stiffer spring is about the simplest way you can go, but with myvi rear weighing basically nothing, stiffer spring is likely going to make the rear for flighty and reduce road holding performance...

that said, a spring that is marginally stiffer might help solve the problem since such scraping are typically just borderline cases a slightly stiffer spring should help without compromising too much handling and comfort.

but this is very vehicle specific and you would have better luck looking at myvi forum or myvi social media groups for the setting from people who might have done similar mod as opposed to general forum where we can only give general answers.
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post Aug 2 2020, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Aug 2 2020, 10:04 AM)
it's sagging
if u want it cheap
just change the spring to sport spring while maintain original absorber
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The most stupid advice!

Sports springs will lower the car height even more. Think before you write stupid things.
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post Aug 2 2020, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(empire @ Aug 2 2020, 01:09 PM)
The most stupid advice!

Sports springs will lower the car height even more. Think before you write stupid things.
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not all sport spring lower bro(it will be written if it lowers or not)
saga BLM original springs sags when u put anything behind
so i changed to sport spring, it didn't lowered the clearance between the tyre and the fender at all..it's still a good 3 finger clearance
when the spring is taken out, i compared it with the new sport spring..it's the same height but much harder

u might need to re-educate yourself between sport spring and lowered spring, they're both completely different things
learn to tell the difference between both...don't reply if u don't even know the difference

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post Aug 2 2020, 03:03 PM

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sports springs are not called sports springs if it is the same height as original springs. It will be called HEAVY DUTY Springs! Ko Sendiri tak tahu tapi masih nak tunjuk pandai.
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post Aug 2 2020, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(empire @ Aug 2 2020, 03:03 PM)
sports springs are not called sports springs if it is the same height as original springs. It will be called HEAVY DUTY Springs! Ko Sendiri tak tahu tapi masih nak tunjuk pandai.
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This. Heavy duty springs.

Itll keep the original ride height while increasing the spring rate ( or is it load?), So the suspension wont sag that much under heavy load, but this in turn will introduce new problem; harsher ride and even exacerbate the propensity of the car to snap oversteer (if u dont change the springs at all 4 corners). Not that it matter to u anyway if u drive like a normal sensible human being all the time:lol:

Progressive springs is ur solution imho.
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post Aug 2 2020, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(nightlordccc @ Aug 2 2020, 06:14 AM)
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Isnt that the easily fully compressed spring (soft) causing the wheel to scrape the arch? Which I need to find a stiffer spring so that it will not fully compressed even under heavy load.
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How to say this ah? Harder springs will not solve scrape problem with heavy load. If you do that, the car would be hopping uncomfortably. Using harder dampers would slow the spring down progressively before reaching its full compression. Want comfortable change dampers. Want car response change springs.

But since TS only wants to solve the bottoming out issue under load, just increasing the damper bump stop size or adding spring buffers would solve the problem.

Changing springs or dampers would not be economical and also changes the vehicle characteristics.

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post Aug 2 2020, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(netmatrix @ Aug 2 2020, 06:20 PM)
How to say this ah? Harder springs will not solve scrape problem with heavy load. If you do that, the car would be hopping uncomfortably. Using harder dampers would slow the spring down progressively before reaching its full compression. Want comfortable change dampers. Want car response change springs.

But since TS only wants to solve the bottoming out issue under load, just increasing the damper bump stop size or adding spring buffers would solve the problem.

Changing springs or dampers would not be economical and also changes the vehicle characteristics.
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Really?. Ts is having problem when car under heavy load. Stiffer spring can help that (less compressibility of the spring under heavy load).Stiffer shocks will still sags under heavy load. Less suspension travel = more chance for the suspension to bottoms out. Stiffer shocks probably will help ts if he bottoms out under normal load.

Just my 2 cent opinion btw
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post Aug 2 2020, 07:25 PM

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wow so many helpful replies! thanks guys
just to clear things out here to see if I understand:
Springs = supports car weight/load of the vehicle
Absorbers = absorbs & flattens out rough feel produced from the road & springs. Thus, also increase stability when acceleration, braking & cornering. Correct or not ha like this say.


BTW, any spring buffer users here? how's your feedback & is there any side effects.
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post Aug 2 2020, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Aug 2 2020, 01:41 PM)
not all sport spring lower bro(it will be written if it lowers or not)
saga BLM original springs sags when u put anything behind
so i changed to sport spring, it didn't lowered the clearance between the tyre and the fender at all..it's still a good 3 finger clearance
when the spring is taken out, i compared it with the new sport spring..it's the same height but much harder

u might need to re-educate yourself between sport spring and lowered spring, they're both completely different things
learn to tell the difference between both...don't reply if u don't even know the difference
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sports springs are not called sports springs if it is the same height as original springs. It will be called HEAVY DUTY Springs! Ko Sendiri tak tahu tapi masih nak tunjuk pandai!
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post May 20 2024, 03:27 PM

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I'm curious as a lot of people on lowyat forum recommend & use suspension from Eibach, Koni, Bilstein etc, do those brands create suspension for Myvi? cuz I don't see them on their official web...but I've been seeing ton of praises from people who installed those parts on their Myvi, so I'm very curious.
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QUOTE(poorlittleguy @ May 20 2024, 03:27 PM)
I'm curious as a lot of people on lowyat forum recommend & use suspension from Eibach, Koni, Bilstein etc, do those brands create suspension for Myvi? cuz I don't see them on their official web...but I've been seeing ton of praises from people who installed those parts on their Myvi, so I'm very curious.
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If you see it on kakimotor. Means got just not listed. But yet again. You should get from reputable sellers instead of those ABC.Motor on Shopee.

 

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