the funny thing is xbox1 is very reliable. LoL, just got a 2nd hand unit. manufactured date 2002! haha, played PDO w/o any problems

ppl only clamor for "official" launch to get official hardware warranty support

This post has been edited by acougan: Aug 7 2007, 02:40 PM

actually there are some countries with official selling 360s but no official LIVE yet. and the prices of official videogames merchandise is often determined by the import/sales taxes imposed by the respective countries.

of all the SEA countries, only SGP has official launch + Live. flextronics is a SGP company that assembles 360s in china. alot of 360s DVDs are pressed in SGP. all defective SGP 360s are still shipped to a repair centre based in Aus.

actually the SGP xbox division is well established in SGP since xbox1. but looking at the SGP leaderboards (~3 thousand) sometimes i wonder if all the investment/promotion made by the SGP xbox division over the years has actually break even yet?

this is what i gather from the US situation, the next few weeks with websites examining the innards, we will know more



old stocks - default mobo



[manufacture dates - july 07 onwards]

new & improved white core - xenon mobo + extra heatsink + glue

new & improved white premium (HDMI) - zephyr mobo + extra heatsink + glue

black elite (HDMI) - zephyr mobo + extra heatsink + glue




in the near future, maybe halo3 pack or 2008 pack

future pack A(HDMI) - falcon A mobo (65nm CPU + 90nm GPU) + extra heatsink + glue

future pack B(HDMI) - falcon B mobo (65nm CPU + 65nm GPU) + extra heatsink + glue




*please correct if wrong

This post has been edited by acougan: Aug 9 2007, 04:08 PM

haha, relax abit. many ppl think MS is very confident in the extra heatsink + glue improvements.

checking www.360drives.com, HDMI premiums (zephyr) are lot 0709, 0710, 0711, 0712, 0713 manufactured since March'07. then MS announce the 3 year 3RL warranty and the $1bil charge in May'07 (this is mainly for earlier sets that dont have extra heatsink + glue)

so my gut feeling is extra heatsink + glue is the solution MS has come up/tested with. 65nm chips are still coming in the future, but not sure what improvements can 65nm chips bring.

LoL, the xbox speculation thread is still going strong

http://forums.xbox.com/56/13882627/ShowPost.aspx#13882627. post from this so-called MRCUR

since for falcon, CPU is 65nm but GPU is still 90nm, why not they switch the heatsinks around and redesign the mobo? i feel the bigger heatsink can benefit the GPU more.

and yes, even with the extra heatsink, there are reports on the net those batch can also 3RL

unreliable h/ware is a great hassle for end-users but bring many benefits to MS.

a consumer base who are used to crappy products is the best kind of consumers to exploit. every time a gamer register their 3RL console for warranty, means more data-mining can be done. 3 year warranty also reduces the lure of modding for those casuals. u sell modchips in the US, and u risk jailtime

and the whole 3RL episode brought a lot of jobs for those telephone customer service agents, console repair technicians and UPS drivers

^ right now, there are 3 different mobos/version - xenon, zephyr and falcon. if u buy a SGP set, they will honor the 3RL 3 year warranty.

their RMA procedure is to return a working/refurbished set back to the customer. i think if u have a broken HDMI capable system, they will try to replace with another HDMI system. if u have a non-HDMI system (xenon), then it will depend the the availability of their refurbished stocks.

may i know what is the Lot# and Manuc.Date of your new falcon? lot #0734 and up?

IINM, there are some premium/elite 360 with HDMI that is still Zephyr (manufactured around or before Jul)

on the falcon mobo, the X-Clamps are still present

http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2007/1101/xbox360.htm

but the small revisions made in cooling and lower noise means falcon is still the best model to buy at the moment.