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post Jul 21 2020, 06:21 PM, updated 5y ago

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Today Microsoft ambush to my office to inspect pirated Windows 10 activation.

All of my computer is Windows 10 Home that I bought.

They said Windows 10 Home is not allowed in Business Environment, also they offer discount summons if I bought Windows 10 Pro from them.

Which part of EULA mention Windows Home edition is illegal use in Business?
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post Jul 21 2020, 06:35 PM

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It illegal. Confirm. The license for home permit u use for personal use. Not using for commercial purpose of running business. Or in a business premise.
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post Jul 21 2020, 06:41 PM

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how they managed to get in ?
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It's under kpdnkk I think. They have warrant usually . If Microsoft ppl u can deny entry. I believe it's collobration between Microsoft and kpdnkk.
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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Jul 21 2020, 06:21 PM)
Today Microsoft ambush to my office to inspect pirated Windows 10 activation.

All of my computer is Windows 10 Home that I bought.

They said Windows 10 Home is not allowed in Business Environment, also they offer discount summons if I bought Windows 10 Pro from them.

Which part of EULA mention Windows Home edition is illegal use in Business?
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who is that whistleblower? how many pc kena ?i remember i read somewhere if sucessful minimum 10k as the headshot reward..whoaoa naise..
ASK YOUR BOSS read the damn termsand condition la bodo

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Without quoting that EULA here, nobody can say for sure but it's likely there's something in there to prohibit usage of software in a commercial settings. However, there are people asking similar question around in the microsoft community site and few I noted says it's okay to do so and it's just a difference in software features:-

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows...e6-1a2d96d59ebc
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows...f9-14e0008acd82
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows...b0-30b9fbefe5b8

Unclear if that's the official position of Microsoft.

What's more interesting is whether Microsoft itself can barge into your office and inspect your equipments especially without a court order or warrant. Even if there's a breach of user terms, can Microsoft issue you a summon? Did they come in with any government officers? kpdnkk for example? AFAIK kpdnkk only check for pirated softwares. Even if it's against user terms, does it fall under their purview? I advise that you ask them to quote specifically which local laws you are in breach of so you can review for yourself. Better yet, check directly with Microsoft and get some confirmation in writing.

What I find somewhat suspicious is they are offering a discount on the "summons" if you buy Windows 10 from them. Again, who are "they" in this circumstances? Microsoft? Or the authorities? If it's the authorities, can there even be such an arrangement?

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QUOTE(bee88 @ Jul 21 2020, 06:35 PM)
It illegal. Confirm.  The license for home permit u use for personal use.  Not using for commercial purpose of running business. Or in a business premise.
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QUOTE(yungkit14 @ Jul 21 2020, 06:46 PM)
who is that whistleblower? how many pc kena ?i remember i read somewhere if sucessful minimum 10k as the headshot reward..whoaoa naise..
ASK YOUR BOSS read the damn termsand condition la bodo
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QUOTE(btfan @ Jul 21 2020, 07:15 PM)
Without quoting that EULA here, nobody can say for sure but it's likely there's something in there to prohibit usage of software in a commercial settings. However, there are people asking similar question around in the microsoft community site and few I noted says it's okay to do so and it's just a difference in software features:-

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows...e6-1a2d96d59ebc
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows...f9-14e0008acd82
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows...b0-30b9fbefe5b8

Unclear if that's the official position of Microsoft.

What's more interesting is whether Microsoft itself can barge into your office and inspect your equipments especially without a court order or warrant. Even if there's a breach of user terms, can Microsoft issue you a summon? Did they come in with any government officers? kpdnkk for example? AFAIK kpdnkk only check for pirated softwares. Even if it's against user terms, does it fall under their purview? I advise that you ask them to quote specifically which local laws you are in breach of so you can review for yourself. Better yet, check directly with Microsoft and get some confirmation in writing.

What I find somewhat suspicious is they are offering a discount on the "summons" if you buy Windows 10 from them. Again, who are "they" in this circumstances? Microsoft? Or the authorities? If it's the authorities, can there even be such an arrangement?
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It looks with Government, KPDNKK.

They just point to Windows 10 Home that I use with default install.

I asked Microsoft Community about this earlier, and point that it's okay to use Windows 10 Home in Business.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows...m=1595323019617

I don't use any Pro/Ent feature like AD, Domain, etc...

I don't use Microsoft Office, I use Google Docs.

7-zip as Archive Manager and Unity3d.

it's 10K total damage, I want to know my rights.

You know, many "gaming" laptop are come with Windows 10 Home, and I need GPU power. Many business laptop are come with weak GPU, WS laptop is too expansive due to Quadro Chips.
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post Jul 21 2020, 08:18 PM

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oh shit..scam ka ?

next time go check but how did they found out your office ?police report maybe needed ..after you contact kpdkk
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QUOTE(yungkit14 @ Jul 21 2020, 08:18 PM)
oh shit..scam ka ?

next time go check but how did they found out your office ?police report maybe needed ..after you contact kpdkk
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they come with Microsoft Representative and Government, it come before office close.

QUOTE(wualalala @ Jul 21 2020, 08:23 PM)
Then you tell them the machines you bought was already comes with the Home preinstalled and no one informed you that or salesperson ask you the purpose of usage ...
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They tell me, Bought Laptop's (Windows 10 Home) under company bill, and Home License should pay with personal expanse not as company... cry.gif I didn't know that!
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My friends, it is not worth it for Microsoft to worry about whatever Edition for small businesses.

There is no such thing as Microsoft ambush.

They have more profitable things to do.

It's a scam.

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Online search gave result in "Yes you can use Home edition for Business" but in Malaysia based on my experience its "No, you cant use Home for business"

Since WinXP days i have had customer who encounter the same issue for windows/office/autocad, they were given a week or 2 time to acquire proper license and a min fined. I think its around year 2005-2010 when they were very active, many CyberCafe got fined along with game licenses for EA & Blizzard products, some even made it to news paper.

Today if you were to call DELL for company PC purchase they would advise you home license cannot be use for business, i guess Malaysia might have a different law or something.

I would suggest you to call Microsoft Malaysia tomorrow

edit: oh lastly, you have a whistleblower in your company.

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QUOTE(IccyAsd @ Jul 21 2020, 08:49 PM)
Online search gave result in "Yes you can use Home edition for Business" but in Malaysia based on my experience its "No, you cant use Home for business"

Since WinXP days i have had customer who encounter the same issue for windows/office/autocad, they were given a week or 2 time to acquire proper license and a min fined. I think its around year 2005-2010 when they were very active, many CyberCafe got fined along with game licenses for EA & Blizzard products, some even made it to news paper.

Today if you were to call DELL for company PC purchase they would advise you home license cannot be use for business, i guess Malaysia might have a different law or something.

I would suggest you to call Microsoft Malaysia tomorrow

edit: oh lastly, you have a whistleblower in your company.
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this a lot past history I didn't know.

I don't know Malaysia make Home version is illegal even Microsoft allow it...

The shop are responsible to ask, I just don't know, look online sat Home okay for Business,

I had to pay at 5K and bought Pro license from them since they called Police, this is sure not fake, real police arrived,

some laptop need reformat from Single Language to Pro.

damn it! Microsoft allow, Government says not! WTF
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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Jul 21 2020, 06:21 PM)
Today Microsoft ambush to my office to inspect pirated Windows 10 activation.

All of my computer is Windows 10 Home that I bought.

They said Windows 10 Home is not allowed in Business Environment, also they offer discount summons if I bought Windows 10 Pro from them.

Which part of EULA mention Windows Home edition is illegal use in Business?
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To my understanding long time ago there was a differentiation. But with Win10, the home version can be used at business as long as its stand alone and not connected to server, etc.

You can validate the terms and license by going to the windows search (at the bottom on the windows menu tab) and type in winver

Windows pop-up appears and at the bottom of that screen, click on End User License Agreement link.

That should give you the home license, mine is Pro, so can compare.

Also, its better to call Microsoft directly and get a confirmation and email from them so that you can show it to local authorities.

All the best man
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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Jul 21 2020, 06:21 PM)
Today Microsoft ambush to my office to inspect pirated Windows 10 activation.

All of my computer is Windows 10 Home that I bought.

They said Windows 10 Home is not allowed in Business Environment, also they offer discount summons if I bought Windows 10 Pro from them.

Which part of EULA mention Windows Home edition is illegal use in Business?
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microsoft ambush your office ? really hahahaha ? they come with custom people ?which mean one of your employee telling them ? why your employee so kejam about you lol ?or did you ask someone audit your office pc before ?
this is the only 2 possible reason you get caught

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Microsoft don't ambush directly. They only take action if someone reported to them. smile.gif Anyone resigned unhappily / fired recently?


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Microsoft don't ambush directly. They only take action if someone reported to them. smile.gif Anyone resigned unhappily / fired recently?
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whoever reported not bad too with commission not much better than nothing LOL
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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Jul 21 2020, 11:41 PM)
To my understanding long time ago there was a differentiation. But with Win10, the home version can be used at business as long as its stand alone and not connected to server, etc.

You can validate the terms and license by going to the windows search (at the bottom on the windows menu tab) and type in winver

Windows pop-up appears and at the bottom of that screen, click on End User License Agreement link.

That should give you the home license, mine is Pro, so can compare.

Also, its better to call Microsoft directly and get a confirmation and email from them so that you can show it to local authorities.

All the best man
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Morning later I call Microsoft Malaysia Office.

QUOTE(zuozi @ Jul 21 2020, 11:44 PM)
microsoft ambush your office ? really hahahaha ? they come with custom people ?which mean one of your employee telling them ? why your employee so kejam about you lol ?or did you ask someone audit your office pc before ?
this is the only 2 possible reason you get caught
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QUOTE(mydurian @ Jul 21 2020, 11:47 PM)
Microsoft don't ambush directly. They only take action if someone reported to them. smile.gif Anyone resigned unhappily / fired recently?
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QUOTE(zuozi @ Jul 21 2020, 11:54 PM)
whoever reported not bad too with commission not much better than nothing LOL
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it just 4 employee including me and my partner, another 2 employee is girls who manage our social media, WhatsApp, etc... we treat them well, and they work at home.

The office is just two of us, I and my partner just a small business run small IT firm.

Just because I bought The ROG laptops with Windows 10 Home Single Language, they insist HOME != BUSINESS

there are 5 computer which all Home SL as most laptop sold.

Things is, they mad about one PCs that have Ubuntu installed but can't take charges.

Since I don't use MS Office, use more on Web Apps, seem better to buy Macbook instead.

Tomorrow they come, I still stuck one Huawei laptop that can't access UEFI BIOS, asking a password, this also need upgrade Home to Pro.

Very sad indeed, after long no source of income, we barely survived, now come the Non-senses Summon.
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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Jul 21 2020, 06:21 PM)
Today Microsoft ambush to my office to inspect pirated Windows 10 activation.

All of my computer is Windows 10 Home that I bought.

They said Windows 10 Home is not allowed in Business Environment, also they offer discount summons if I bought Windows 10 Pro from them.

Which part of EULA mention Windows Home edition is illegal use in Business?
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Unless you can prove the computer is not used for commercial purpose the law on their side. I think the raid probably done by Business Software Alliance (BSA) with MS observer and KPDNKK. Unfortunately govt recently seem to be doing a lot of these operations to squeeze money when economy already bad.
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I called Microsoft Malaysia at 03-2777 8888

CS seem doesn't know about Home Edition usage in Business and Commercial use.

CS asked me to call this number instead: +80064276738
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QUOTE(CRaider2 @ Jul 22 2020, 02:14 AM)
Unless you can prove the computer is not used for commercial purpose the law on their side. I think the raid probably done by Business Software Alliance (BSA) with MS observer and KPDNKK. Unfortunately govt recently seem to be doing a lot of these operations to squeeze money when economy already bad.
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Yes... that what they called yesterday, I forgot who they are as my heart hurt so much, pain and more problem.

I already call Microsoft Malaysia Office.

Small - Medium Business is fine to use Windows Home edition, as long not using AD, Domain, etc...
When company is growing up, need to upgrade to Windows 10 Pro (excluding cheap key sold on Lazada/Shopee/etc...)

Here call recording I made, my English conversation is pretty bad, I am sorry
1-800-22-0030 Conversation, Important parts.
1-800-22-0030 Original, No Cut.

I already paid the damage yesterday, if anyone want to avoid begin Audit & Summon, please upgrade to Pro to be safe.

They also check Microsoft Office, they skip checking Apple Laptop and Linux PC's
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So i guess to avoid trouble its better to get Win10 Pro for business instead of Home, unless you want to fight with authority, then play the audio recording, not sure if its valid for Malaysia.

Even the MY CS dont know the answer...
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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Jul 22 2020, 03:40 PM)
Yes... that what they called yesterday, I forgot who they are as my heart hurt so much, pain and more problem.

I already call Microsoft Malaysia Office.

Small - Medium Business is fine to use Windows Home edition, as long not using AD, Domain, etc...
When company is growing up, need to upgrade to Windows 10 Pro (excluding cheap key sold on Lazada/Shopee/etc...)

Here call recording I made, my English conversation is pretty bad, I am sorry
1-800-22-0030 Conversation, Important parts.
1-800-22-0030 Original, No Cut.

I already paid the damage yesterday, if anyone want to avoid begin Audit & Summon, please upgrade to Pro to be safe.

They also check Microsoft Office, they skip checking Apple Laptop and Linux PC's
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Thanks for sharing, man. Funny that local office (microsoft) dont want to take any accountability on the usage.
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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Jul 22 2020, 03:40 PM)
Yes... that what they called yesterday, I forgot who they are as my heart hurt so much, pain and more problem.

I already call Microsoft Malaysia Office.

Small - Medium Business is fine to use Windows Home edition, as long not using AD, Domain, etc...
When company is growing up, need to upgrade to Windows 10 Pro (excluding cheap key sold on Lazada/Shopee/etc...)

Here call recording I made, my English conversation is pretty bad, I am sorry
1-800-22-0030 Conversation, Important parts.
1-800-22-0030 Original, No Cut.

I already paid the damage yesterday, if anyone want to avoid begin Audit & Summon, please upgrade to Pro to be safe.

They also check Microsoft Office, they skip checking Apple Laptop and Linux PC's
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If Microsoft Malaysia says it's okay and it's not against EULA to use home editions in certain business environment then you ask the officers to quote specifically which laws/regulations that makes it illegal for a clearer picture. A lot of time, they themselves wouldn't know exactly where it is or misinterpret it and yet just say it's "wrong" and then ask you to fork up the money. Do you have a copy of the summon? Normally it will list down the relevant sections in there.

I wouldn't be surprised if they target small businesses since such businesses normally wouldn't follow-up and wouldn't pursue the matter further with the authorities. For all you know they might even be an appeal process for this.

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QUOTE(CRaider2 @ Jul 22 2020, 02:14 AM)
Unless you can prove the computer is not used for commercial purpose the law on their side. I think the raid probably done by Business Software Alliance (BSA) with MS observer and KPDNKK. Unfortunately govt recently seem to be doing a lot of these operations to squeeze money when economy already bad.
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few years ago BSA did email and phone me few times, they are just a agent trying to scare and make money around i've already told them we did sent full report audited before and stop calling me.

QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Jul 22 2020, 12:51 PM)
I called Microsoft Malaysia at 03-2777 8888

CS seem doesn't know about Home Edition usage in Business and Commercial use.

CS asked me to call this number instead: +80064276738
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microsoft malaysia no longer here di, they will straight transfer you to another region CS then service end users.

and also, this will happen mostly are internal staff or anyone who hates you from outside go and report .

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QUOTE(deyamato @ Jul 23 2020, 09:20 AM)
few years ago BSA did email and phone me few times, they are just a agent trying to scare and make money around i've already told them we did sent full report audited before and stop calling me.
microsoft malaysia no longer here di, they will straight transfer you to another region CS then service end users.
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For me, happen to raid directly, no call.

QUOTE(deyamato @ Jul 23 2020, 09:20 AM)
and also, this will happen mostly are internal staff or anyone who hates you from outside go and report .
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I feel more to our competitors doing, they thought I use pirated, I take precautions step, just happen Home is not for Business.

I thought is fine to use, as long Windows is Legit....

I bet anyone also think same: as long Windows is Legit, fine to use...

Most laptop sold in retail, Gaming Laptop, beautiful laptop using Home Edition.

Seller also don't know and didn't ask this for business or home.

Workstation Laptop expansive, Business laptop don't have strong GPU. Hard choice.

Malaysia still not have Tax Benefits for Software Subscription like any other countries sad.gif people will go cheap.

Things happen, no rant, just sad, instead 100K, to 10K, to 5K, this is fine, we can survive.

I wanted everyone know this new information I get, and don't make same mistake, stay strong keep economy going.
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I just want to know how many staff in your company?
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QUOTE(gwping @ Jul 23 2020, 10:56 AM)
I just want to know how many staff in your company?
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4, including me and my partner
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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Jul 23 2020, 01:21 PM)
4, including me and my partner
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Wow, I dont think the authority go check 1 company by 1 company, is it spot check or someone report? hmm.gif
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ouch.. .4ppl in company pon kena raid.. harap bersabar ya. br dpt GKP.. da kena summon

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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Jul 23 2020, 01:21 PM)
4, including me and my partner
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i think number of employees don't matter. The industry you are in matters. as you said IT field, makes it natural to spot check. Sometimes engineering firm (autocad), accounting (myob, sql) get checks too. It really depends on what industry you are in and the timing.
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QUOTE(afiq10 @ Jul 25 2020, 03:19 PM)
Got pic of the summon?
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receipt of summon got, but I not going to share, later kena again
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receipt of summon got, but I not going to share, later kena again
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just blur out sensitive info of the summon... copyright infringement law (not pirated software) still very blurry in Malaysia..
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I got contacted another company that same same issue like me.

Different is he have 30++ employee and computer,
all Desktop and Laptop bought at Lowyat, and pay using company funding.
Last year got a visit from Microsoft and Government, as usual, Windows 10 Home in company, plus he using WPS Office.

Guess what?

His company got fined 100K, and WPS Office is illegal, then...

they offer 50K summon if he bought Windows 10 Pro and Subscribe Office 365, ditch WPS Office

Microsoft not bothered MacBook Air, not even looking inside.

After summon 50K, he also got summon from LHDN because of using pirated software to make money... what?

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This got my attention, if want avoid Microsoft summon, use Apple Macintosh, or Ubuntu Linux + WINE + VM whistling.gif

sad.gif I should do this...

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i remember windows home is legit, only office for home and student is not legit.
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The window 10 home that preinstalled on pc/notebook also cant?
Cos half of my office is preinstalled window, only some notebook without window use subcription pro/enterprise window.
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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Jul 26 2020, 04:09 PM)
I got contacted another company that same same issue like me.

Different is he have 30++ employee and computer,
all Desktop and Laptop bought at Lowyat, and pay using company funding.
Last year got a visit from Microsoft and Government, as usual, Windows 10 Home in company, plus he using WPS Office.

Guess what?

His company got fined 100K, and WPS Office is illegal, then...

they offer 50K summon if he bought Windows 10 Pro and Subscribe Office 365, ditch WPS Office

Microsoft not bothered MacBook Air, not even looking inside.

After summon 50K, he also got summon from LHDN because of using pirated software to make money... what?

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This got my attention, if want avoid Microsoft summon, use Apple Macintosh, or Ubuntu Linux + WINE + VM whistling.gif

sad.gif I should do this...
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someone inside your company must have reported your company, anyone was retrenched or sack lately?
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QUOTE(anakkk @ Jul 26 2020, 04:13 PM)
i remember windows home is legit, only office for home and student is not legit.
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Microsoft Office Home & Student dont have Outlook, plus I dont use.

QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Jul 26 2020, 04:14 PM)
The window 10 home that preinstalled on pc/notebook also cant?
Cos half of my office is preinstalled window, only some notebook without window use subcription pro/enterprise window.
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That's the problem, no shop or seller dare to tell, everyone dont know.
No one use Pro feature like SMB, AD, etc...

Microsoft say it's fine to use Home, but Malaysia say no, then... Microsoft Agree 100% to suck more money.

QUOTE(anakkk @ Jul 26 2020, 04:14 PM)
someone inside your company must have reported your company, anyone was retrenched or sack lately?
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my company was small, no one acting weird, I sure this external people, customer or... my competitor
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QUOTE(mydurian @ Jul 21 2020, 11:47 PM)
Microsoft don't ambush directly. They only take action if someone reported to them. smile.gif Anyone resigned unhappily / fired recently?
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if small business how to afford to change all window to pro/enterprise?
also what about POS that supply by manufacture which use window home?
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off topic,
window 7 / XP also kena?
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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Jul 26 2020, 04:45 PM)
if small business how to afford to change all window to pro/enterprise?
also what about POS that supply by manufacture which use window home?
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off topic,
window 7 / XP also kena?
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post Jul 27 2020, 12:55 PM

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Wow, I thought the different editions are only for their features as the Pro edition has more features for business environment. Never knew that Home cannot be used for businesses.
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Need final confirmation:
Can WINDOWS 10 HOME be used in SME when no PRO feature is required at all?
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QUOTE(Oltromen Ripot @ Aug 27 2020, 03:36 PM)
Need final confirmation:
Can WINDOWS 10 HOME be used in SME when no PRO feature is required at all?
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Which part of the Windows 10 Home licence says it is otherwise marked against revenue-generating use?

Search Windows 10 English via https://www.microsoft.com/en-my/useterms

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Useterms/OE..._10_English.htm




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QUOTE(Oltromen Ripot @ Aug 27 2020, 11:48 PM)
Which part of the Windows 10 Home licence says it is otherwise marked against revenue-generating use?

Search Windows 10 English via https://www.microsoft.com/en-my/useterms

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Useterms/OE..._10_English.htm
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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Jul 26 2020, 04:09 PM)
I got contacted another company that same same issue like me.

Different is he have 30++ employee and computer,
all Desktop and Laptop bought at Lowyat, and pay using company funding.
Last year got a visit from Microsoft and Government, as usual, Windows 10 Home in company, plus he using WPS Office.

Guess what?

His company got fined 100K, and WPS Office is illegal, then...

they offer 50K summon if he bought Windows 10 Pro and Subscribe Office 365, ditch WPS Office

Microsoft not bothered MacBook Air, not even looking inside.

After summon 50K, he also got summon from LHDN because of using pirated software to make money... what?

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This got my attention, if want avoid Microsoft summon, use Apple Macintosh, or Ubuntu Linux + WINE + VM whistling.gif

sad.gif I should do this...
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WSP pun dia pasal? siao ah, whatever software they also can check ga?
using company funding to buy only kena, if buy by self and bring company wont kena right?
arbo someday i dulan my boss then i bring my own laptop go work and call authority come raid whistling.gif whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Jul 21 2020, 06:21 PM)
Today Microsoft ambush to my office to inspect pirated Windows 10 activation.

All of my computer is Windows 10 Home that I bought.

They said Windows 10 Home is not allowed in Business Environment, also they offer discount summons if I bought Windows 10 Pro from them.

Which part of EULA mention Windows Home edition is illegal use in Business?
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Hi,
I know is old thread. Can i ask if i have the legitimate windows 10 pro oem sticker on custom rig pc, does that violate the law in Malaysia?
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What if i use macbook but install windows 10 home in parallel? How they check?
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QUOTE(kx221005 @ Feb 5 2021, 06:09 PM)
Hi,
I know is old thread. Can i ask if i have the legitimate windows 10 pro oem sticker on custom rig pc, does that violate the law in Malaysia?
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refer to the invoice u buy from. solid proof.
sticker is nothing laa
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QUOTE(kfreak @ Feb 5 2021, 06:29 PM)
What if i use macbook but install windows 10 home in parallel? How they check?
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mostly didnt ask but not difficult if they insist.
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OMG! By common sense, everyone know the word "HOME" mean. There is a reason people name the product with "HOME" or "PRO" or "SMALL BUSINESS" or "EDUCATION ONLY".
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Next time don't keep anything with Home in the company.

Just upgrade 2-3 machines with Pro and use it normally. If want to use the Home machines, still can but hide it inside a drawer or cabinet before they come. Install a CCTV outside for monitoring purposes.
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QUOTE(life5tyle @ Mar 10 2021, 04:31 PM)
OMG! By common sense, everyone know the word "HOME" mean. There is a reason people name the product with "HOME" or "PRO" or "SMALL BUSINESS" or "EDUCATION ONLY".
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office 2013/2016/2019 home & business <<<<< is this a joke
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Hmm... first time heard Windows cannot use home for business.

Previously only heard ppl say Office conlanfirm must use Pro for commercial but never heard ppl complain Windows need Pro version lor. Only those who need domain access would really go Pro... otherwise not much difference.

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Mar 22 2021, 05:16 PM)
Hmm... first time heard Windows cannot use home for business.
Previously only heard ppl say Office conlanfirm must use Pro for commercial but never heard ppl complain Windows need Pro version lor. Only those who need domain access would really go Pro... otherwise not much difference.
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all grey zone punya. no black & white paper say u can. u cannot.

double std to the max
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QUOTE(ktek @ Mar 23 2021, 11:07 AM)
all grey zone punya. no black & white paper say u can. u cannot.

double std to the max
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Yeah, then why not challenge them. Office is confirm cannot because it's mentioned even on the box not for commercial usage (long time never buy office also, last bought also 2003 version, not sure how that has changed or not).
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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Mar 23 2021, 11:25 AM)
Yeah, then why not challenge them. Office is confirm cannot because it's mentioned even on the box not for commercial usage (long time never buy office also, last bought also 2003 version, not sure how that has changed or not).
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want to use under business, please get pro or enterprise edition, home/ oem version is for home use only example for gaming, while the education version is while you're still a student in college or university.

your workers might have reported you to BSA.
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QUOTE(ktek @ Mar 22 2021, 04:54 PM)
office 2013/2016/2019 home & business <<<<< is this a joke
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I saying Home. Not "Home & Business". Dude! If it label as "Home & Business" but cannot use for businesses. What is the point? And some more we discussing about Windows 10. I waiting you to release Windows 10 Home & Business. Please don't drag until grandmother story lah.
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first time i heard microsoft people busted a company to bust people LOL
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QUOTE(life5tyle @ Mar 29 2021, 06:55 PM)
I saying Home. Not "Home & Business". Dude! If it label as "Home & Business" but cannot use for businesses. What is the point? And some more we discussing about Windows 10. I waiting you to release Windows 10 Home & Business. Please don't drag until grandmother story lah.
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Your argument is no longer valid since there are many home businesses nowadays. Anyone can run online business from their home nowadays.
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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Apr 7 2021, 04:06 PM)
Your argument is no longer valid since there are many home businesses nowadays. Anyone can run online business from their home nowadays.
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Home businesses is still business. So you still cannot use Windows Home for home businesses (read it as Windows Home was stated clearly that it cannot be use for business related premises). Unless your home business is totally non-register businesses. If you register your businesses, you must use Windows Pro. Even non-profit organization are not allow to use Windows Home based on Microsoft.

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https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows...e6-1a2d96d59ebc

seems can use guaa...
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QUOTE(life5tyle @ Apr 7 2021, 06:29 PM)
Home businesses is still business. So you still cannot use Windows Home for home businesses (read it as Windows Home was stated clearly that it cannot be use for business related premises). Unless your home business is totally non-register businesses. If you register your businesses, you must use Windows Pro. Even non-profit organization are not allow to use Windows Home based on Microsoft.
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Even Microsoft themselves never mentioned home cannot be used for businesses. Proved it to argue your case. For Office, they actually mentioned it which is why no one argued. You can search eula bla2 but it was never mentioned.
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dont understand why business don't just install linux distro, free for live. no reason to use microsoft nowadays.
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QUOTE(lowya @ Apr 7 2021, 07:45 PM)
dont understand why business don't just install linux distro, free for live. no reason to use microsoft nowadays.
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Yes, many apps now are web based.
I also use web based Point of Sale, no need Windows for this.
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Happened to the company I worked for many years ago too. Our case was we are interior design company, using non legit ms windows, autocad etc. Kena raid because our sinkalan lady director invited a sales person to do 3dmax
Demo in the office. She saw many pc running with autocad & 3D max. Today noon visit tomorrow noon straight police come with warrant, bsa, kpdnkk, ms observer and some reporters. No negotiations, paid fine, bought software front the whistleblower company. Almost half a million, remember the directors all sold cars and some house to pay the fine. And yes, ms home cannot use for business. We were required to join the kpdnkk seminar about piracy after that (all staff) as part of fine.

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QUOTE(Jenn77 @ Apr 7 2021, 11:32 PM)
Happened to the company I worked for many years ago too. Our case was we are interior design company, using non legit ms windows, autocad etc. Kena raid because our sinkalan lady director invited a sales person to do 3dmax
Demo in the office. She saw many pc running with autocad & 3D max. Today noon visit tomorrow noon straight police come with warrant, bsa, kpdnkk, ms observer and some reporters. No negotiations, paid fine, bought software front the whistleblower company. Almost half a million, remember the directors all sold cars and some house to pay the fine. And yes, ms home cannot use for business. We were required to join the kpdnkk seminar about piracy after that (all staff) as part of fine.
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The sinkalan lady director lipoted the authorities?
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Apr 8 2021, 04:23 AM)
The sinkalan lady director lipoted the authorities?
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Nope. She brought the trouble to us. Invited the sales person & the sales person reported the company so that she can close sales biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Jenn77 @ Apr 8 2021, 08:58 AM)
Nope. She brought the trouble to us. Invited the sales person & the sales person reported the company so that she can close sales  biggrin.gif
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Rotten hearted.


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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Jul 21 2020, 06:21 PM)
Today Microsoft ambush to my office to inspect pirated Windows 10 activation.

All of my computer is Windows 10 Home that I bought.

They said Windows 10 Home is not allowed in Business Environment, also they offer discount summons if I bought Windows 10 Pro from them.

Which part of EULA mention Windows Home edition is illegal use in Business?
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Use your brain lah already mentioned HOME means home usage. and it did mentioned in the EULA
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Apr 8 2021, 09:16 AM)
Use your brain lah already mentioned HOME means home usage. and it did mentioned in the EULA
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I want to see your so called EULA...
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what the outcome now ?

TS buy all windows pro licenses ?
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Yes - TS paid 50% of the compound (5K i think) and purchase Pro license from the agency...
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QUOTE(ktek @ Mar 22 2021, 04:54 PM)
office 2013/2016/2019 home & business <<<<< is this a joke
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Microsoft Office do have "Home", "Home & Student", "Home & Business", and "Professional" retail licences.

Microsoft 365 have more licence mix, divided into non-commercial home/student and for commercial businesses.

Microsoft Windows have "Home" and "Pro" BUT NOT "Home & Business" licences.

I still own Office 2010 Home & Business, which I am using in work laptop.
For my kids, I bought Office 2019 Home & Student. Nope. Not a joke.

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Home edition cannot be use commercially.
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For Windows 10, shouldn't have issue using Home edition for commercial. In previous Windows version, do required Pro edition.
I not sure why they can summon this to you as Windows 10 Home edition is no restriction to use for commercial.

As for WPS wise, read carefully the term, the free edition is not for commercial usage.
https://www.wps.com/eula

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Quote from WPS Eula Term. Free edition is restricted version for personally usage only.

You shall only use the functionally restricted version on your personally owned device for your personal, non-commercial use. No commercial entities or organizations are permitted to use the functionally restricted version of the Software.

Short advise - don't make issue with any outsider or even internal staff. Anyone go report, they will visit you.

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next time just buy the windows 10 license from shopee
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QUOTE(ascension278 @ Apr 29 2021, 01:17 AM)
next time just buy the windows 10 license from shopee
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Don't make trouble to people, if you get visit, they will ask for invoice, if you only manage to show your license is purchase from Shopee, you will kena summon kao kao.

Those Shopee license is legit but illegal as it is a steal key from Volume License which you shall purchase from Microsoft Authorize Partner and you will give Microsoft License Portal to access and manage your license.

https://businessaccount.microsoft.com/

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afaik, windows home edition is not allowed in commercial settings since long time ago unless it is already outdated (i learnt about this during my internship about 10yrs ago) sweat.gif

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Useterms/OE..._10_English.htm

(v) To the extent included with Windows, Word, Excel, PowerPoint and OneNote are licensed for your personal, non-commercial use, unless you have commercial use rights under a separate agreement.


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can business entity run win pro but not activated?
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no if the trial license expired.
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no if the trial license expired.
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It's not expired. The activate windows watermark at the lower right of the screen is there because the windows is never activated in the first place.
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Oct 20 2021, 08:21 PM)
It's not expired. The activate windows watermark at the lower right of the screen is there because the windows is never activated in the first place.
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technically, it is expired becoz Win10 allowed you to use full feature for few days on first startup. once the evaluation expired, the water mark appears and appearance customization are disabled but other features are still usable.

regardless, it is consider illegal becoz u dont have license to use the OS once evaluation is over.

5. Authorized Software and Activation. You are authorized to use this software only if you are properly licensed and the software has been properly activated with a genuine product key or by other authorized method. When you connect to the Internet while using the software, the software will automatically contact Microsoft or its affiliate to conduct activation to associate it with a certain device. You can also activate the software manually by Internet or telephone. In either case, transmission of certain information will occur, and Internet, telephone and SMS service charges may apply. During activation (or reactivation that may be triggered by changes to your device’s components), the software may determine that the installed instance of the software is counterfeit, improperly licensed or includes unauthorized changes. If activation fails, the software will attempt to repair itself by replacing any tampered Microsoft software with genuine Microsoft software. You may also receive reminders to obtain a proper license for the software. Successful activation does not confirm that the software is genuine or properly licensed. You may not bypass or circumvent activation. To help determine if your software is genuine and whether you are properly licensed, see (aka.ms/genuine). Certain updates, support, and other services might only be offered to users of genuine Microsoft software.


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So long as Microsoft has not sent a lawyer's letter demanding rectification, I am good. Until that happens, I'll continue on with Home edition
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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Jul 21 2020, 06:21 PM)
Today Microsoft ambush to my office to inspect pirated Windows 10 activation.

All of my computer is Windows 10 Home that I bought.

They said Windows 10 Home is not allowed in Business Environment, also they offer discount summons if I bought Windows 10 Pro from them.

Which part of EULA mention Windows Home edition is illegal use in Business?
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Microsoft don't set the rules.

You can use any software you like in business as long as it is not pirated and nowhere in license does it explicitly say not for business use in the sense of using it as your product (basically you're not illegally reselling the OS or something).

Feel free to fight them in court. You paid for the license, microsoft did not find the pirated activation and they just want an excuse to make you pay more. It doesn't matter where you are in the world, you can use any OS you like for business.

This is why i'm more of a linux guy and i use windows only for regular things. I mean why pay for pro when home has the features you need? I won't even bother with windows server seeing as how the microsoft peeps are as its not only unnecessarily expensive, but buggy and slow (experience).

Edit: also unactivated windows copies do count as pirated, so if they want to get you in court this is what they will use. Its no problem if you can prove you aren't using it for work if you are just running a trial, and the run all windows to pro is just extortion so i hope you have that recorded.

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QUOTE(System Error Message @ Oct 22 2021, 10:22 AM)
Microsoft don't set the rules.

You can use any software you like in business as long as it is not pirated and nowhere in license does it explicitly say not for business use in the sense of using it as your product (basically you're not illegally reselling the OS or something).

Feel free to fight them in court. You paid for the license, microsoft did not find the pirated activation and they just want an excuse to make you pay more. It doesn't matter where you are in the world, you can use any OS you like for business.

This is why i'm more of a linux guy and i use windows only for regular things. I mean why pay for pro when home has the features you need? I won't even bother with windows server seeing as how the microsoft peeps are as its not only unnecessarily expensive, but buggy and slow (experience).

Edit: also unactivated windows copies do count as pirated, so if they want to get you in court this is what they will use. Its no problem if you can prove you aren't using it for work if you are just running a trial, and the run all windows to pro is just extortion so i hope you have that recorded.
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Yeah, is good you encourage him to challenge Microsoft in court. Do leave your details to him so if he lose the court case, whatever $$$ you help him pay. In Microsoft licensing, it is very clear that HOME edition cannot be use for businesses. This is why they have HOME and PRO. HOME obviously they give promotion price for non-business usage (personal and home users) to use Windows OS. And PRO version is clearly for non-home users.

There is a court case in oversea, which consumer sue Microsoft due to the person using HOME version for his businesses. The result, he lose the court case. I would love to see this to be the 1st case in Malaysia.
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Syukur. I use inhouse Office for free...
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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Jul 21 2020, 06:21 PM)
Today Microsoft ambush to my office to inspect pirated Windows 10 activation.

All of my computer is Windows 10 Home that I bought.

They said Windows 10 Home is not allowed in Business Environment, also they offer discount summons if I bought Windows 10 Pro from them.

Which part of EULA mention Windows Home edition is illegal use in Business?
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Anime bro, it is very sad they raid you even that's start-up like buiness with only 4 people, like your calling with Microsoft it is acceptable for them but Malaysia goverment got greedy and walk on the grey zone.

I see someone mention Microsoft Office Home & Business is not allow for commercial use too, and must use Microsoft Office Professional, is this true?
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post Feb 17 2022, 04:13 PM

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Also how do they verify if what you use is valid/genuine?
By checking the software > about > product ID?
Or simply request for purchase invoice / CD key disc package?
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Originally Answered: Can I use Home version of Windows 10 for commercial purposes? The "Home" designation only refers to a reduced feature set, as compared to "Pro" or "Enterprise." It is targeted towards a home user, but there are no restrictions on its use in a business. You can use if for any purpose you see fit.

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post Feb 21 2022, 02:42 PM

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I called Malaysia Microsoft Support, they said Windows 10 Home can be use for business:
1) As long as we've the valid product key / license
(E.g. If only you need better feature like BitLocker from PRO, then yes you need purchase PRO to use it, otherwise HOME is sufficient for business)

I ask what if Government raid my office give summons due to this, can I use your info to convince them, he say yes sure and even email me the support ticket for this conversation as keeping proof, to show Government just in case they pop up.

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post Jul 29 2022, 11:14 AM

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Previously I get this information from the colleague, they said Usually Windows won't be a big issue because as long as your device comes with digital license or activate through legal channel. (Which now most of the devices comes with)

What makes the big problems is the software you are using.
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Sorry for reviving this topic.

Summary, edition can't use for business/commercial purposes:
- Windows (Home, Education) must use Pro
- Office (Home, Home & Student, and maybe Business & Student) must use Pro
- WPS free

What about, let say, a small shop with maybe 4 PC:
- All PC initially has Win 10 Home license, but were then formatted to Win 10 Pro with digital license linked to shop owner Microsoft personal account.
- 3 of 4 PC has valid retail license (product key) but were purchased thru personal non-official channel, then all linked to shop owner Microsoft account to become digital license.
- Last PC has Win digital license transferred from a broke down PC (Win 7 Pro then upgraded Win 10 Pro using Win 7 key) linked to shop owner Microsoft personal account.
- All PC were not using neither Microsoft Office or WPS but LibreOffice.

If the shop was raided by KPDNKK (with BSA and Microsoft representative), will they issue any summon to shop owner?
If not mistaken according to LibreOffice website, LibreOffice is Open License and free to use in commercial. So, will Microsoft representative said LibreOffice is illegal to use in commercial and force owner to buy Office and ditch LibreOffice?

Thanks.

This post has been edited by cbkhoo1492006: Mar 5 2025, 07:55 AM
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QUOTE(cbkhoo1492006 @ Mar 5 2025, 07:54 AM)
Sorry for reviving this topic.

Summary, edition can't use for business/commercial purposes:
- Windows (Home, Education) must use Pro
- Office (Home, Home & Student, and maybe Business & Student) must use Pro
- WPS free

What about, let say, a small shop with maybe 4 PC:
- All PC initially has Win 10 Home license, but were then formatted to Win 10 Pro with digital license linked to shop owner Microsoft personal account.
- 3 of 4 PC has valid retail license (product key) but were purchased thru personal non-official channel, then all linked to shop owner Microsoft account to become digital license.
- Last PC has Win digital license transferred from a broke down PC (Win 7 Pro then upgraded Win 10 Pro using Win 7 key) linked to shop owner Microsoft personal account.
- All PC were not using neither Microsoft Office or WPS but LibreOffice.

If the shop was raided by KPDNKK (with BSA and Microsoft representative), will they issue any summon to shop owner?
If not mistaken according to LibreOffice website, LibreOffice is Open License and free to use in commercial. So, will Microsoft representative said LibreOffice is illegal to use in commercial and force owner to buy Office and ditch LibreOffice?

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You have your right to use other office suite, they can't force you to use MS Office
Like, you could be in the Google camp and use their Docs/Sheets/Presentations software in the browser and MS cannot stop you from doing that.

LibreOffice is free for all, they have partners offer paid tech support/consulting , but otherwise the core office suite is free for anyone to use.

https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/freque...ons#usebusiness

As for Windows license... not sure, I think best if you can show the keys used. but what source are they from? If it's like cheap shopee keys, dont think those would be good for this case.



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QUOTE(cbkhoo1492006 @ Mar 5 2025, 07:54 AM)
Sorry for reviving this topic.

Summary, edition can't use for business/commercial purposes:
- Windows (Home, Education) must use Pro
- Office (Home, Home & Student, and maybe Business & Student) must use Pro
- WPS free

What about, let say, a small shop with maybe 4 PC:
- All PC initially has Win 10 Home license, but were then formatted to Win 10 Pro with digital license linked to shop owner Microsoft personal account.
- 3 of 4 PC has valid retail license (product key) but were purchased thru personal non-official channel, then all linked to shop owner Microsoft account to become digital license.
- Last PC has Win digital license transferred from a broke down PC (Win 7 Pro then upgraded Win 10 Pro using Win 7 key) linked to shop owner Microsoft personal account.
- All PC were not using neither Microsoft Office or WPS but LibreOffice.

If the shop was raided by KPDNKK (with BSA and Microsoft representative), will they issue any summon to shop owner?
If not mistaken according to LibreOffice website, LibreOffice is Open License and free to use in commercial. So, will Microsoft representative said LibreOffice is illegal to use in commercial and force owner to buy Office and ditch LibreOffice?

Thanks.
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Microsoft come also check their own product only... what say do they have if you use WPS or LibreOffice?
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I did a quick check for the EULA. Couldn't find the home edition but the OEM edition eula had a few places where it said commercial use was not allowed. The Win10 oem eula looked the same as Win11 oem,.

https://www.microsoft.com/content/dam/micro..._11_English.pdf


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To the extent included with Windows, Word, Excel, PowerPoint and OneNote are
licensed for your personal, non-commercial use, unless you have commercial use
rights under a separate agreement.

this license does not
give you any right to, and you may not (and you may not permit any other person or
entity to):
........
use the software as server software or to operate the device as a server, except as
permitted under Section 2(d)(iii) below; use the software to offer commercial
hosting services; make the software available for simultaneous use by more than
one user over a network, except as permitted under Section 2(d)(vi) below; install
the software on a server for remote access or use over a network; or install the
software on a device for use only by remote users;

H.264/AVC and MPEG-4 visual standards and VC-1 video standards. The software
may include H.264/MPEG-4 AVC and/or VC-1 decoding technology. MPEG LA, L.L.C.
requires this notice:
THIS PRODUCT IS LICENSED UNDER THE AVC, THE VC-1, AND THE MPEG-4 PART 2
VISUAL PATENT PORTFOLIO LICENSES FOR THE PERSONAL AND NON-COMMERCIAL
USE


The first part is about included Word/Excel/Powerpoint which doesn't apply.

The 2nd part only deals with server/hosting so if its used as a standalone device with no remote access, it should be ok.

The 3rd part says that the videos decoders is not for commercial use. So still quite weak justification for Microsoft/KPDN to raid and fine.

I'm not a lawyer and there could be things that I missed.


 

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