Axia Compressor use Sanden SP-10 oil, is it okay to use Denso ND-Oil 8?


All my nearby air cond service use denso oil... Hard to find sanden compressor oil, any ideas?

All compressor oil the base oil is either PAG46 or PAG100 oil.

Sanden SP-10 if not mistaken is PAG46
Denso ND-Oil 8 also is PAG46 so it can use

But take note a lot of Denso ND-Oil in market is fake and not real PAG46 oil. So becarefull..
I last time being taught to check real PAG oil is to mix some water with the oil and shake it, if it got heat reaction then it is the real PAG46 oil.

Susah like that, I also from Penang, any recommendations for aircond service?

Do I really need to do compressor oil change at all? Not much info I can obtain regarding compressor oil change...some ppl just tell me use until it kong

If you got a lot of money to change the compressor and the whole A/C system just wait until it kong loo..
FYI, once the compressor kong the debris will travel across the whole A/C system, most item like valves, coils & condensor might be contaminated with the debris and even using acid or chemical wash some debris wont be able to come out and stuck inside causing the pressure not stable.. That why most of the time when compressor kong case they change whole system..

So many shop also can service A/C in penang, nowadays just plug in machine only. If you can travel to Nibong Tebal i can introduce 1 shop HK CHUAH auto services center, 012-531 2001.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Jul 17 2020, 04:35 PM

Thank you , I just asked perodua about Major Aircond Service that is optional at 60k, it's RM144 on their website, but called to Juru SC they quote me RM200 or so. Include: Receiver drier, flush and charge new refrigerant+compressor oil, remove dashboard to clean cooling coil.


Also called to a reputable air cond service shop near me, they quote RM300 but without cleaning the cooling coil. But their expertise is unquestioned.


What do you think?

If your car is under warranty is better to go back to SC.. Easy

Yup, still under warranty...I better service at SC then, hopefully they dont use wrong amount of compressor oil and refrigerant. My old kelisa never service still cold

Modern cars nowadays need to be service. Everything also want fuel economy better, lighter.. So nowadays compressor are made lighter and more sensitive to compressor oil type..

compressor oil is compressor oil

I would not spend $$ to so-called 'service' compressor , be it at SC or outside aircond shop .
Having said that , before the compressor kong if ever it happens , the warning sign is that the cool air from aircond system is not running cold enough when compared against normal times .
By then and only then, I will visit an aircond shop outside for the sole purpose of topping up refrigerant gas AND some compressor oil simultaneously , with or without filter drier change depending on shop recommendation .
In other words, if aircond system is working fine I won't visit SC or outside for so-called compressor 'service' .
Btw, I roughly know how aircond compressor/evaporator/filter drier/condenser works .

This post has been edited by zeng: Jul 18 2020, 01:55 PM

That is normal for almost all cars, I suppose .

My grandpa VW Polo 6-7 year never change compressor oil/refrigerant suddenly kong, his old Toyota Corolla still cold...What a joke

You're not wrong, I'm still thinking whether if its worth it to service my aircond at SC, for about RM200 they also clean your cooling coil. There isnt much documentation around to suggest servicing your AC system before it fails is a necessity . But the compressor oil color got change for sure, from light yellow to dark yellow/red-brown. Probably caused by high pressure and temperature which makes the oil chemically breakdown.

On most cases, people wait until the aircond not cold alrdy, then maybe pipe/coil is leaking..if unlucky compressor kong lor. Sometimes it works for 10+ years without service at all...

That why i said nowadays things are made to be lighter & sensitive to so call improve fuel economy.
You take the old toyota corolla compressor or other older type compressor weight and try turn 1 round compare to new modern compressor.
Older compressor design usually is more bigger, heavier but long lasting compare to modern compressor which is smaller, lighter but sensitive to maintenance.

Nowadays car manufacturer need to improve their fuel economy and to find ways to reduce load on their engine and the compressor is one of the process which will rob the engine power to create the cool air inside your car. If not why those days race wannabies will off the A/C when race as it will reduce the engine load = more power = more fuel economy if driven lightly.

Besides that modern A/C also using so call PAG compressor oil, this oil also will loss it's viscosity in long term. I have ask quite a few professional A/C shop and they does tell me one of the reason is not much people believe about it that you also need to change the compressor oil or refill the gas more frequently on modern cars as modern A/C is not really close system nowadays as the compressor itself does have pressure relieve valves to reduce the pressure load when driven hard or overload.


This post has been edited by littlefire: Jul 18 2020, 11:58 PM

Cars still need to do maintenance. But problem is manufacturer keep increasing maintenance duration. They cite better technology allows that. But problem is they keep using degradable materials that does not allow longer lifespan. Planned obsolescence is replacing metal with plastics. So the design that could last at least 20 years with metal has dropped to 7 years or less with plastics. (The warranty period at max is a dead give away). And they market this as lifetime warranty. That only means the life of the version not the life of the materials. Most kena tipu with this.

Update: I asked a Axia owner with a high mileage car, 180k in 5 years.

His compressor changed once at 70k with warranty. Since then got service aircond every 60k, no problem until now.

If driving around city, it would take me like 6 years~ to clock up 60k. I think I will just service at SC every 3 years.

The worst thing is, you take the magnetic clutch from a compressor as an example. Most aircond specialist outside that are honest will happily fix it for you. Go SC? Change compressor liao ...


No wonder those tauke keep changing bmw X5 when its free service and warranty runs out. Comfort first, somemore get tax deduction

Upon inspection, the receiver drier I think is welded to the condenser itself, and no caps to remove it...how tf are they going to change the filter out? Axia btw.

Yes, this is for sure as a lot of country is going to ban or scrap those cars which is not environmental friendly in few years time.
So what the point of designing cars which can last 10 or 20 years. It is not like during 90's where everything is made for last and like you said the warranty given is already dead give away.
If you want something to last longer is better to pick those older cars, if want better safety or fuel economy pick the newer 1 and either sell it after 5 years warranty or prepare some maintenance fund after warranty ends.

I would not take that long.. actually driving in city you even stress the A/C especially traffic jam during noon.. Even your mileage is not moving, but your engine & compressor still working like hell to cool you down in the car.. If possible every 1 or 2 years to service it would be better..

This post has been edited by littlefire: Jul 19 2020, 12:54 PM

I mean I only turn the coldness to 1/2 max and blower is always 1 and rarely go to 2.

Anyone can confirm that the Compressor warranty is 5 years/100k km?

Seen from FB post someone got their compressor replaced because HQ said the warranty extended from 3 years/60k to 5 years/100k

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4959639/all

Got 1 post said compressor warranty is 5 years but not announced by P2

Bro, please check your service book or manual. Usually the warranty parts, T&C is all listed in it. Different batch may not enjoy the same warranty.

This is what SC said about Axia compressor failure and warranty


About Compressor Unit Warranty
1st SC: Q1 : NO, Perodua SDN BHD already state officially (which ever come first), 3year/100k, You can call us for arrangement, & if your part failure due to our weakness then we will cover your warranty base on our report & advise from HQ

2nd SC: 1st Model Axia 5 years warranty, other newer models 3 years.


Compressor Magnetic Clutch

1st SC: Whole set will be replace, whether under warranty or purchase by customers.

2nd SC: Depend on damage.. Can change separately. If Compressor itself no issue, Yes.. We can change magnetic clutch only.


About Fuel Pump/Filters

1st SC: Said if fuel filter sock clogged better change whole fuel pump assembly. (Probably can change fuel filter too?)
Original text: "atf oil recommended change every 40k km , then atf filter recommended 80k km @ 4 years, and for fuel filter better change whole set fuel pump"

2nd SC: Only change when problem, because not maintenace item. (Dont know if they mean the whole assembly or the filter only.)

I guess this is fair, it takes atleast 120k mileage before you experience any issue with dirty fuel filters anyway. And most ppl only change when the engine suddenly die/ can crank but cannot start engine.



Both SC say different thing, both can be located on Perodua site, only difference, is the name 1st SC is Perodua Sarinani Motors and 2nd SC is Perodua Service Centre (Juru). 2nd SC their manager have @perodua.com.my email, and does not contain any private company name.

I suggest going to Perodua SC that is directly under Perodua/Perodua name only, they probably can source individual parts for you so the repairs are less expensive. (From my own experience with 2002 Kelisa before bought Axia).

Rm200 is very cheap for this amount of work. Most outside shop if open dashboard will charge you few hundred in labor alone. Are you sure that’s the price at p2 sc?

Yeah compressor can last over 10 years without changing the oil if u lucky. Then just change everythg for 2k when the time comes.

Or u can spend rm150 every 2 years like i do. Penang island got two shops i go to not bad.
One is a small shop right behind DRG motorsport, need use back road a bit and tight road. A lot customers but they dont cheat u.

Another is Chiew auto aircond service near golden triangle. I top up gas and also flush my aircond oil here. A bit pricier but good. If electrical issue he will sub to other shop and u prepare to get your head chopped.

Wow only rm150. I just spent rm250 to have the oil and gas exchange/renewed using the machine. My car only need 400g r134a. And this shop is like backyard type.

Nowadays is going around 2xx range for full A/C machine service, from what i know 100 is for flush, while another 1xx++ is for refill gas & compressor oil depending on your car A/C capacity. If got change oil rings or other stuff will add up.

Rm150 is do wat?
Include compressor oil flushing?
Recently saw lots of video tiktok, must do flushing instead of topup? It says topup oil still dirty

The 1 near golden Triangle good?
Thinking of service my vios, 6 yrs already


My frend recommended benglee air cond service in sg dua
Heard not bad the skill, price is standard

Flush and change compressor oil using machine. Topup the dirt will still be there.. and usually it wont reduce unless got leaks

Beng lee exhaust ah. Corner lot shop i think? Do all sorts of things one including air cond. I only go to them doing small stuff like bulb blow etc.

Corner beside the petronas.
But its specialised in air cond,
Few yrs ago also saw ppl recommended in this forum
The boss always say, no need to service so frequently, use till spoil then change whole set😂

Ic, i think other place full aircond service ~200+
But not sure got the oil flushing machine o not

Thinking of flushing too

doesnt matter.
if less cold, the compressor n condenser fan will start stop more often.
more cold, that thing will run longer and less start stop..

sometimes more start stop will damage earlier..

Went for flushing in benglee near taman lipsin
Rm170, flush n change comp oil, and refill gas
Slightly more expensive than relau chiew aircond

The service guy say after flush must refill gas again? Hope thats the normal procedure, or did he tipu me? 😂

Ya after flush must refill again so he no tipu

After flush your whole system already kosong inside sure need to refill with new compressor oil & A/C gas bro...

How was the old PAG that got extracted out? Did the shop show to you?

Ic, ok then
Dont think they will tipu la, saja ask only
Actually, when I went there also they say no need to flush 😂

But after service aircond only i saw a tiktok video... Flush d, must replace drier
If not, old drier contamn ur air also

Just like u go change engine oil but no change filter

The compressor oil was dark green, quite dirty
3 yrs usage... So 2-3 yrs flush once seems reasonable

This post has been edited by LA773: Apr 2 2022, 04:52 AM