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post Jul 13 2020, 02:45 AM, updated 6y ago

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Example . This cost around how much . Let’s say just change the facade .
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post Jul 13 2020, 06:59 AM

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Many property expert forumers said to buy subsale landed, need at least 200k.

Bro ... 200k !
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post Jul 13 2020, 07:09 AM

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architecturally ugly, as the newly rebuilt home will not fit/ look different with the neighbours
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post Jul 13 2020, 07:13 AM

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Came across this project before. Budget somewhere 250k++ minimum
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post Jul 13 2020, 09:37 AM

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I can never understand the logic of people demolish a linked house and build a completely new facade that is totally different from the others.

I understand people need to feel unique ... Then go and buy a land and build your bungalow.

Your money spent on this could be better served by enhancing the interior of the house: better furnitures, fittings, decorations, comfort etc
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post Jul 13 2020, 11:01 AM

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Apart from the design differences with neighbours, I think the changes are not big.

The new and old designs do not differ too much in structure.
Wet work will not cost too much.
What could be expensive are the windows/doors, roof and may be panels depending on the quality.

Please get a contractor to quote you.


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post Jul 13 2020, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(metalfire @ Jul 13 2020, 07:13 AM)
Came across this project before. Budget somewhere 250k++ minimum
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From A-Z or just changing the facade price
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post Jul 13 2020, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(blancpain4470 @ Jul 13 2020, 09:37 AM)
I can never understand the logic of people demolish a linked house and build a completely new facade that is totally different from the others.

I understand people need to feel unique ... Then go and buy a land and build your bungalow.

Your money spent on this could be better served by enhancing the interior of the house: better furnitures, fittings, decorations, comfort etc
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Maybe people prefer the location . Near parents Etc . Or if you ask me a new big house in sungai long or to demolish a old house in damansara heights . I’ll choose DH for sure
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post Jul 13 2020, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(Propertylearner @ Jul 13 2020, 12:03 PM)
Maybe people prefer the location . Near parents Etc . Or if you ask me a new big house in sungai long or to demolish a old house in damansara heights . I’ll choose DH for sure
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Of course. But totally demolish a linked house to have a different facade at odds with others is just ridiculous and poor taste to me. My point is why not with the money you are going to spend on facade change you use it to beautify the interior of the house to make it more liveable, interesting and comfortable to live?


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post Jul 13 2020, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(blancpain4470 @ Jul 13 2020, 01:40 PM)
Of course. But totally demolish a linked house to have a different facade at odds with others is just ridiculous and poor taste to me.  My point is why not with the money you are going to spend on facade change you use it to beautify the interior of the house to make it more liveable, interesting and comfortable to live?
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Probably can add a lot more built up space. This is not something you can change, no matter how much you tried to beautify the interior. As long as it's legal to do so, why not. If it's about the consistent look for the estate, how long will that last to be honest? At some point, some family will need more space, or a design that more suit their taste and style. One leads to another. Is it wrong for the first person to do so? or is it less wrong to be the No. 5 or 6 family to follow suit?
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post Jul 13 2020, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(hungrygodzilla @ Jul 13 2020, 02:42 PM)
Probably can add a lot more built up space. This is not something you can change, no matter how much you tried to beautify the interior. As long as it's legal to do so, why not. If it's about the consistent look for the estate, how long will that last to be honest? At some point, some family will need more space, or a design that more suit their taste and style. One leads to another. Is it wrong for the first person to do so? or is it less wrong to be the No. 5 or 6 family to follow suit?
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Ya. Many wrongs do not make it right. Just like many plant things in public space near their houses and think it is theirs. The change of facade is at least legal as long as you submit the plan and gotten the approval from authority. All I say is you can do doesn't mean it is good. In fact it is poor taste. That's why I decided to live in strata titled g&g community.

Of course you can do a lot to enhance the interior. Not necessary build up area. In fact one should live in the smallest house that they ever need but fill the house with great comfort and details that make it enjoyable to stay.

You can choose solid wood furnitures; beautiful art works or paintings; great sound system if you are into music; nice gardens; intelligence/smart house; state of the art kitchen if you enjoy cooking; etc etc. You should build a house that support your lifestyle. Not a facade that show off to people.
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post Jul 13 2020, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(blancpain4470 @ Jul 13 2020, 03:25 PM)
Ya. Many wrongs do not make it right. Just like many plant things in public space near their houses and think it is theirs. The change of facade is at least legal as long as you submit the plan and gotten the approval from authority. All I say is you can do doesn't mean it is good. In fact it is poor taste. That's why I decided to live in strata titled g&g community.

Of course you can do a lot to enhance the interior. Not necessary build up area. In fact one should live in the smallest house that they ever need but fill the house with great comfort and details that make it enjoyable to stay.

You can choose solid wood furnitures; beautiful art works or paintings; great sound system if you are into music; nice gardens; intelligence/smart house; state of the art kitchen if you enjoy cooking; etc etc. You should build a house that support your lifestyle. Not a facade that show off to people.
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Is not 'legally' the planters, but is it yours to pick or even those by the local council ?

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post Jul 13 2020, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Jul 13 2020, 04:55 PM)
Is not 'legally' the planters, but is it yours to pick or even those by the local council ?
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I don't go public place to take anything but technically plants in public space belong to public. So if you want to argue legally yes anyone can take the fruits of it is on fruit tree. The local council usually will not plant fruit trees to avoid this issue. But one can't destroy or remove trees planted by local council.

To take the example further, if you plant your papaya tree and the papaya fruits go over your common wall to your neighbor side. You neighbor has absolute legal right to help himself with the papaya.

I like to know where you live where the local council plants fruit trees??

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post Jul 13 2020, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(blancpain4470 @ Jul 13 2020, 05:09 PM)
I don't go public place to take anything but technically plants in public space belong to public. So if you want to argue legally yes anyone can take the fruits of it is on fruit tree. The local council usually will not plant fruit trees to avoid this issue. But one can't destroy or remove trees planted by local council.

I like to know where you live where the local council plants fruit trees??
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If one dont pick or destroy it, the question of who 'owns' it doesnt matter.... just admire the beauty from afar.

Puncak Setiawangsa ... those remainder mango trees are planted by the developers in between two houses and is not gng. Some are chopped down by the owners / council due to weaving ant issues.

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post Jul 13 2020, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Jul 13 2020, 05:22 PM)
If one dont pick or destroy it, the question of who 'owns' it doesnt matter.... just admire the beauty from afar.

Puncak Setiawangsa ... those remainder mango trees are planted by the developers in between two houses and is not gng. Some are chopped down by the owners / council due to weaving ant issues.
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Yes. It may be planted by developer but public area still belong to city council. Owner technically can't remove it unless he gets the city council to remove it.

In real life this is more complicated. My neighbor in the old house chopped down a tree in front of my house just because he wants to park easier since the tree is between the two houses but actually is more on my house side. But that's still public area. He should have requested city council to remove it and/or should have discussed with me. Common decency and courtesy is in short supply nowadays
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QUOTE(Propertylearner @ Jul 13 2020, 12:03 PM)
Maybe people prefer the location . Near parents Etc . Or if you ask me a new big house in sungai long or to demolish a old house in damansara heights . I’ll choose DH for sure
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When you buy a landed property, especially with the freehold title, you have the right to do whatever you want as long as you don't breach the guidelines from the local municipal council. Whether you want to improve internally or externally, it is your money and therefore your freedom.

Only if you buy a strata title property, then you are subjected to the rules and regulations.

If you buy a landed and someone insists your house must look the same like your neighbours, then it is funny. What happen if all your neighbours are driving myvi? Then, you must conform to the same lifestyle so that all the houses at that entire street look the same standard? If you want to drive a BMW, then you must move to DH? Come on. If one don't like his neighbours to renovate the external, he/she has the choice to move to condo. If he/she refuses, then accepts the principle that everyone can be different.
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post Jul 13 2020, 10:34 PM

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Talk to Blancpain he’s in strata tittle . Semua ikut law . Baik tinggal condo je

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Its not cheap

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post Jul 14 2020, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(blancpain4470 @ Jul 13 2020, 03:25 PM)
Ya. Many wrongs do not make it right. Just like many plant things in public space near their houses and think it is theirs. The change of facade is at least legal as long as you submit the plan and gotten the approval from authority. All I say is you can do doesn't mean it is good. In fact it is poor taste. That's why I decided to live in strata titled g&g community.

Of course you can do a lot to enhance the interior. Not necessary build up area. In fact one should live in the smallest house that they ever need but fill the house with great comfort and details that make it enjoyable to stay.

You can choose solid wood furnitures; beautiful art works or paintings; great sound system if you are into music; nice gardens; intelligence/smart house; state of the art kitchen if you enjoy cooking; etc etc. You should build a house that support your lifestyle. Not a facade that show off to people.
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It all come back to the title you have. The expectation of individual vs strata is just fundamentally different. If you buy individual and get mad over your neighbor having a prettier house then the problem is with you, not the neighbor who merely exercise his right to do as per legal.

For you, you made a really good choice to go for strata, it works for you. The problem is with owner who knowingly buy a individual title and start crying due to neighbor's "bad taste in life". But anyway, this discussion is of no use to TS's thread. Sorry to TS for all these.
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post Jul 14 2020, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(ongss @ Jul 13 2020, 10:30 PM)
When you buy a landed property, especially with the freehold title, you have the right to do whatever you want as long as you don't breach the guidelines from the local municipal council. Whether you want to improve internally or externally, it is your money and therefore your freedom.

Only if you buy a strata title property, then you are subjected to the rules and regulations.

If you buy a landed and someone insists your house must look the same like your neighbours, then it is funny. What happen if all your neighbours are driving myvi? Then, you must conform to the same lifestyle so that all the houses at that entire street look the same standard? If you want to drive a BMW, then you must move to DH? Come on. If one don't like his neighbours to renovate the external, he/she has the choice to move to condo. If he/she refuses, then accepts the principle that everyone can be different.
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I agree with your points. That's why I chose to stay in strict strata property. That said, I buy the house because I like the design. If I have to drastically alter the house then I have to rethink why I want the house in the first place.

To use your example ... if you buy a myvi but you modify it until beyond recognition with 4 exhausts and oversized spoiler. Yes you have the right to do so but to me it is still poor taste. The owner may think differently and that's fine because it is his money and he has the right to do.






 

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