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Huey_nee
post Oct 25 2011, 11:17 AM

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Hi. I'm an owner of Saga LMST 2007.

My mileage is 76k now, and my colleague advises me to change the timing belt for engine care purpose. What do you think?

So far the car serves me well. No problem for long distance travelling, sayang the car most on fuel saving, although now not really that save liao (RM60 can go for 350km+- only)
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post Dec 9 2013, 05:35 PM

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My Saga LMST (year 2007) has been sucking up the fuel like a thirsty bear recently. The problem came after the engine started to 'buat hal'. After switch off, the engine would not stop immediately, instead shake for few more seconds only stop. From then on, fuel consumption became very high, from 14km/L to 8km/L. Switched from Shell to Caltex, and sent the car to workshop, service and tuning auto choke, everything back to normal with slightly high rpm, and fuel consumption for the recent tank is 11.4km/L.

I have few concerns:
1) Is 11.4km/L consider ok? 90% city drive. I don't want to sound silly to go back to the workshop, though if the high rpm persist I might need to send back.
2) The fuel capacity for LMST is 45 L right? There's one time I refuel, the fuel insert until 45.12L but the gun didn't stop or anything! I suspect it's the gun's problem. That tank only lasted me 430km (before repair)
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post Dec 11 2013, 10:33 AM

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---- sorry it's duplicate -----

This post has been edited by Huey_nee: Dec 11 2013, 11:00 AM
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post Dec 11 2013, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Dec 10 2013, 07:47 PM)
1) manual or auto? engine capacity? (1.3 or 1.5) carburetor or fuel injection?
high rpm will definitely consume more fuel, if carb, you can consider tuning the idle yourself via guide from saga/iswara thread or google image.
auto idle is ~850-900 while manual is ~800-850

2) yes, that is correct. if you suspect is the gun issue, consider changing other stations. also the 45liters is only the tank, and the minor "overfill" could possibly be the tubes/passageway. btw, did it spill out from the fuel port?

for your references, this is my FC: http://www.fuelly.com/driver/quazacolt/saga
so in *my opinion* you actually have damn good FC smile.gif
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1) manual, 1.3, don't know unsure.gif
the manual tuning seems challenging sweat.gif though I'm interested to try but I park my car outside both at work and at home, might ask for tuning at the workshop

2) No, it did not overflow and spill out, that's why it freaks the hell out of me.

Thanks for the reply smile.gif Ever since the first RM50 fuel couldn't last me til 300km I got paranoid and confused
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post Jan 22 2014, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(neosaint99 @ Jan 18 2014, 11:20 PM)
1. 11.4km/L is good on a 1.3 (underpowered) manual in the city. I would love to know how you used to get 14km/L. That is really good for the 1.3. the 1.5 magma iswaras can do that with no problem. But the 1.3 is severely underpowered thus making good consumption hard to achieve.

2. On a totally dry tank, you should be able to squeeze in like 46L++. The tank may be 45. But you got your filling port and piping etc. That more than a liter right there.

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Car still running after you swith off your key means your engine is self combusting the fuel. That could happen under 4 scenarios.
1. Your compression ratio is too high (not possible)
2. Your engine is too hot (is your cooling system working?)
3. You got contaminated fuel in your tank (think kerosene etc) - most likely
4. Your spark plugs are so fouled and carbonized that they have become glow plugs of sorts providing a combustion source even when the spark has been cut off. (when did you last change your sparkplugs? are you losing engine oil?)

Petrol engines use spark plugs to combust each stroke as the compression ratio does not allow the fuel-air mixture to reach self combustion conditions (diesel engines do this...they do not have spark plugs)

The 1.3 manual is a carburatted engine. All carburatted engines have a little reservoir of fuel in the carburettor. So if your engine keeps combusting on each stroke even when the key is turned off (no more spark plugs, fuel cut-off solenoid is closed) the engine will keep running and sucking in fuel from this tiny reservoir until it is dry.

They shop may have said its the auto choke. I have heard of this before. But usually you have to change the bimetallic strips if the autochoke goes bust.

Have the engine advance checked. It usually doesnt run out but having it checked out every 50,000km is a good practice. If this is out, your consumption will be quite significantly affected.
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Wow thanks for the thorough and detailed info!

It was the good old days when the car age was below 3 years old, then after it entered 3-4 years the consumption has increased.

The problem has been solved for now (finger crossed), after the auto choke service and tuning, the FC has slowly improved and maintain at 10~12km/L.

- the cooling system works perfectly.
- I checked with the SC taukeh. They said the fuel in some of the petrol stations here in Kangar is contaminated with kerosene, but since I never use those stations' fuel, he was clueless also what led to the problem, so he sorted to tuning the auto choke.
- spark plugs were changed on June, another 3000km to go for next change (I was told to change spark plugs every 10,000 km, is that correct?). Losing engine oil, u mean leaking? There's no leaking so far.

Yeah I get a second opinion from the other shop too about the auto choke issue. But the boss also say if the tuning can solve the problem, then there's nothing much to be worry about, unless the problem persists, which means more repairs and more $$$. I've been wanting to have an advanced checking on the engine but it's hard to find a SC providing this service (and reliable) since I'm now in a very small town.

 

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