ok, i got timing issues i want to learn them. any ideas?

i also have timing problem..I thot it's all abt practice o.O got place t oteach timing de meh?

maybe the metronome helps?

use a metronome ? lol

start off slow then build up. . .

in timing issues i take you have problems working out timing outside 4 4?

i have timing issues too. only way i can get them right is listen to the song i'm practicing enough so that the song is stuck in my head so i kinda like hear it in my head before i play it?
i dont really get playing with a metronome, cant seem to get it right and makes me think too much

just feel the rhythm and play it. Remember to relax as well.

uhh buy a watch?
sack your drummer?
buy your drummer a metronome?
get a good drummer?
buy a metronome?

Err... that's the most effective way to go about it, especially with funk riffs/licks. I usually take the speed down by half or more, and nail the timing before gradually (Increments of +-4bpm) moving up to full speed. Not much thinking involved, is there?

Plus, when you get to full speed eventually, you will feel a lot more confident with the rhythm.

well a metronome is useless if you dont "lock in" with it. I personally prefer a drum computer because it gives me more feel and allows me to get in to the rhythm quicker. But i'm just lousy

Here's what i usually do ( if and when i practice ):

When you start playing along with a metronome you have to adjust yourself quite often making you think. But as you go on you should become more comfortable and stop thinking and then slowly you add the dynamics in, expression, groove, etc. After you are totally comfortable with it and making music instead of thinking hard to play in time, then stop and start all over again with the same bpm. I only work with one bpm count (120 for me) while working on rudiments. I only go faster if i'm in one of those "let's see how fast i can really go" moods. Although i don't practice on the high bpms, my fastest achievable bpm count has been increasing so far. Don't ask me why, but practicing rudiments in the same bpm count works for me.

as in i can't divide the beats and stuff like that i think :S

I use a metronome for anything I do...except when Im actually playing songs. It helped me.

Yup just do it....

But i think its natural? it can be trained?

i cant play a song with the metronome on, confuses me because i think about it too much =/
but when practicing runs i play with the metronome of course

metronome is for practice only. In songs/band/etc the drummer is the metronome. Stick with him and don'T bother about anything else.

use ur foot to tap the beats...while playing...

Speaking from my perspective...

In a studio/live situation (and when your drum is in a bad place) it takes a lot of concentration to hear for the music.
This could be partially due to phase cancellation and excess bass build-up in the corners or areas close to the wall.
In such situation you gotta use your feel and draw upon your (hopefully) vast pool of experience.

So... it's equal amounts of practise (as mentioned by so many people above) and experience in not-so-optimal situations.

Get a metronome. Or if you are on a higher budget, get a drum machine.

Just buy urself a whole bunch of latin fusion CDs. After you can play along to them, any other form of music is a piece of cake

im not looking at song playing timing, that i think a metronome should work. but what i want to know is like how to phrase my notes in a 4/4, like how am i to fit a 1/8 inside a 4.4 at 80 bpm? my stuff comes up either exceeding the bar or an incomplete bar

LOL whole topic went out-of-subject.

kinda like the problem i have. irregular time signatures or stuff like that

1/8? u mean 8th notes or what? i've never seen a 1/8 time sig before.

If it's 8th notes all u have to do is count 1 n 2 n 3 n 4 n. Nothing too hard.

If weird timing 7/8 or 5/4 or stuff like that u can always break down into say 2+3 or 4+3 etc etc. Better then to use a metronome that doesnt accent on the 1 since it may throw you off.

i think he may be talking about when doing a solo.

record yourself practicing with a metronome. thats one of the best ways to know how far you're off. sometimes just playing along with a metronome you wouldnt know how much u suck.

if you're talking about odd time signatures. go watch some of mike portnoy's instructional vids. he explains it very well and practical even for guitarist.

if you're talking about 8th notes. start from the very beginning. like learning how to even clap properly to a metronome, move on to tapping your feet properly to learning how to play one note properly before moving on.

since im probably the laziest guitarist around here. i just learn the songs, practice it til it becomes muscle memory and by the time u hit the stage u can just play and have fun without thinking too much (heck, i even daydream sometimes when i'm bored on stage. stuff like where am i going to have supper after all this. lol)

i 2nd to tis
practising wit a metronome....is jz practise....
jamming wit a Gud drummer is stil the best

other wise....get a drum machine or smtn
utilising the drum patterns in my zoom pedal
quite fun keke luv the funk riffs

Learning how to subdivide is also very useful...

Example:

If you are on Common time (4/4) and you play Crotchet(1/4 notes) then you count each of them as, 1 2 3 4


If you are on Common time (4/4) and you play quavers(1/8 notes) then you count, 1 n 2 n 3 n 4 n


If you are on Common time (4/4) and playing semi-quavers(1/16 notes) then you count 1 e n a 2 e n a 3 e n a 4 e n a



You may find subdivision very useful when you play songs that have many "Off-beats"


Example: If you are on Common time again (4/4) and you have to play

Dotted Crotchet(1/4+1/8) followed by a quaver(1/8) and then again Dotted Crotchet(1/4+1/8) and a quaver(1/8)


Subdivide in "Quavers" and Count out 1n 2(Dotted Crotchet) n(Quaver) 3n 4(Dotted Crotchet) n(Quaver) and so on..

ouch! more of a feel time player...

stil hav problem reading complicated crotchets miniums quavers
aaa!!! pening

i just learned some jazz timings today and its screwing with my brain

jazz is easy. Just listen to the ride cymbal and follow it.

Fusion is something else. Latin fusion is even worse

Jazz is all about knowing how to "Swing" literally and musically

jazz is mostly in 4 4 and 5 4 so shouldn't be a prob. . .

try prog. . . xD

stuff like 11's and stuff pops up =.=

DT ??
i disect 'em into 3notes 5notes or more sequences...
easier to hafal

but newer DT songs...pening

newer easier. . .

try Awake album. . . LMAO THAT is pening. . .xD

Yeah newer DT songs are more comprehensible...
Try Dance of Eternity and the Awake album...
And as for Falling into Infinity, it's soooooooooooo 4/4, it became incomprehensible to DT fans...

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Added on August 5, 2007, 1:13 amI like to stick with a drummer that actually sticks to a metronome...

This post has been edited by Rossie: Aug 5 2007, 01:13 AM

bleh.
DT play 4/4, 3/4, or whatever also.
its not as if most ppl can play them

actually all in the mind. . .

if you work on it sure can play 1 =)

and yeah. . . i can't work with drummers that don't use a metronome anymore =.= tried jamming with one and i find myself getting fairly frustrated =(

i do like what echo does, listen to the song enough and play it from your head counting spoils the fun of playing

well you don't really need to count actually. . .

when you play long enough with a metronome, you'll develop a built in metronome in your mind. . .

it's just a matter of getting used to picking out the beats from the drum or the metronome. . .

ah i think i have what you mentioned^
the building the metronome in my mind. now everytime i hear a song somewhere(At a restaurant etc) i'll start tapping my foot to match the beat

yeah yeah thats a very good way =)

just keep tapping whenever you hear a beat =)

btw a question here =)

What Time Signature is your telephone ring when you call someone?

five four...

This post has been edited by Rossie: Aug 5 2007, 07:09 PM

haha yay! winner!

Feel, don't think, that's the secret. When I was really small, I'd use to react to a beat, giving it off time. You have to feel the rhythm, not react to it.