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post Jun 19 2020, 03:16 PM, updated 6y ago

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Why alot telcos like Maxis, Hotlink and celcom does not allow hotspot from pbone? Some telco abit kind allocate few GB DATA for hotspot

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post Jun 19 2020, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(judehow @ Jun 19 2020, 03:16 PM)
Why alot telcos like Maxis, Hotlink and celcom does not allow  hotspot from pbone?  Some telco abit kind allocate few GB DATA for hotspot
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Buy a device that allow that. They usually disable if put the sim into phone, but this device will bypass the restriction.
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post Jun 19 2020, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(judehow @ Jun 19 2020, 03:16 PM)
Why alot telcos like Maxis, Hotlink and celcom does not allow  hotspot from pbone?  Some telco abit kind allocate few GB DATA for hotspot
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Because People mostly will abuse it to max .devil.gif
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post Jun 19 2020, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(waghyu @ Jun 19 2020, 03:34 PM)
Buy a device that allow that. They usually disable if put the sim into phone, but this device will bypass the restriction.
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How did they do it?
QUOTE(destiny017 @ Jun 19 2020, 04:26 PM)
Because People mostly will abuse it to max .devil.gif
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This sad then others how to use mobile data 😒 then need two and 3 simcard for data usage
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post Jun 19 2020, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(judehow @ Jun 19 2020, 03:16 PM)
Why alot telcos like Maxis, Hotlink and celcom does not allow  hotspot from pbone?  Some telco abit kind allocate few GB DATA for hotspot
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is it true??
before this i can open hotspot when using Celcom..
now still tethering but using Tunetalk..

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post Jun 19 2020, 05:48 PM

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only unlimited plan. got quota plan usually can hotspot.
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post Jun 19 2020, 05:56 PM

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All telcos allow hotspot la, where u got ur info?

And of cos, the above does not applicable to unlimited data plan.
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QUOTE(fms21 @ Jun 19 2020, 05:18 PM)
is it true??
before this i can open hotspot when using Celcom..
now still tethering but using Tunetalk..
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Went i study back alot telco give stop on hotspot, but some telco give u a 3 gb for hotspot additional once finish you need to buy. This what i study so far. Specially new plans NO HOTSPOT

QUOTE(ry8128 @ Jun 19 2020, 05:56 PM)
All telcos allow hotspot la, where u got ur info?

And of cos, the above does not applicable to unlimited data plan.
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Wait til you see it say NO TERRING HOTSPOT πŸ˜‚
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post Jun 19 2020, 06:30 PM

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Hotspot access and cellular data use are limited likely because cellular 4G networks have limited capacity and celcos have to pay TM wholesale prices for bandwidth and backhaul connections to the world wide web/www, eg via TM's submarine Fiber cables.

Mobile cellular 3G/4G networks are very different from near-limitless fixed Fiber networks.
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post Jun 19 2020, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(judehow @ Jun 19 2020, 05:02 PM)
How did they do it?

This sad  then others how to use mobile data 😒 then need two  and 3 simcard for data usage
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Blocking hotspot is coded in the sim. If go travel in Europe, some sim block this feature right away as well so tourist dont share one 1 sim card with group of 10 data signal as example.
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QUOTE(destiny017 @ Jun 19 2020, 04:26 PM)
Because People mostly will abuse it to max .devil.gif
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every mobile user around me uses more data on the phone than I do on the PC sad.gif

by the way, my phone is my torrent/download machine (not hotspot/tether) because that's what the telco wants. devil.gif
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Jun 19 2020, 06:40 PM)
every mobile user around me uses more data on the phone than I do on the PC  sad.gif

by the way, my phone is my torrent/download machine (not hotspot/tether) because that's what the telco wants.  devil.gif
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Because PC is not something you can travel everywhere with it, many people rely on phone now for streaming, social media and easy to bring
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QUOTE(judehow @ Jun 19 2020, 06:30 PM)
Went i study back alot telco give stop on hotspot, but some telco give u a 3 gb for hotspot additional  once finish you need to buy. This what i study so far.  Specially new plans NO HOTSPOT
Wait til you see  it say NO TERRING HOTSPOT  πŸ˜‚
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I using maxis, so far hotspot is ok. I did not on always la, whenever i need only.
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Hi everyone, didn't wanna start a new topic so tumpang here a bit. My gf's umobile GX68 plan now has a 5gb hotspot cap and we didn't realise there was a cap until recently because it wasn't noticeable when they temporarily increased the limit to 10gb during MCO.

Thing is, we use up the quota quite fast because we are in a long distance relationship and will be on video call everyday. She wants to continue using her phone so she usually shares her hotspot to her ipad (no cellular) and call me using the iPad.

So, my question is, can anyone suggest what we should do instead of just keep on topping up the hotspot data?
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post Aug 22 2020, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(XweienX @ Jun 25 2020, 09:43 PM)
So, my question is, can anyone suggest what we should do instead of just keep on topping up the hotspot data?
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Hello. I am a traveler in MY and I also found out this ridiculous hotspot quota. On Digi I got restrictions and Celcom charge extra for hotspot, and this is very frustrating. I never have this problem in any other countries, only Malaysia. So I decided to defeat this monster.

I found a way to bypass hotspot detection.

The telco can only detect if hotspot or tethering is being used by detecting multiple MAC address on the same mobile connection. So to bypass hotspot and tethering detection, you can make all data appear from the mobile, so other devices are invisible to the telco.

To do this you can setup a proxy application on the mobile, and then configure iPad or laptop or other devices to use mobile as a proxy server. If using WiFi hotspot or Bluetooth tether this is very easy as they are on a same network.

There are some apps designed for this. The one I have used is Netshare. No root needed and works over Bluetooth and wifi. Also you can share WiFi to WiFi (repeater mode) so you can cover whole house with 4G wifi 😘

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?...a.prog.mikrotik

https://m.apkpure.com/netshare-no-root-teth...a.prog.mikrotik

It is very easy to set a system setting to use proxy on iPad iPhone Android etc. It works great!

I hope this helps some people. I put a lot of research into this and solved the problem for my home, no more buying hotspot quota or "hotspot pass" add-on. Just use normal data quota and stay hidden.
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post Aug 22 2020, 12:00 PM

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so far yoodo allow hotspot by using your main data bucket.

how much you buy, how much you can hotspot.
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post Aug 22 2020, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(MikeReynolds @ Aug 22 2020, 11:49 AM)
Hello. I am a traveler in MY and I also found out this ridiculous hotspot quota. On Digi I got restrictions and Celcom charge extra for hotspot, and this is very frustrating. I never have this problem in any other countries, only Malaysia. So I decided to defeat this monster.

I found a way to bypass hotspot detection.

The telco can only detect if hotspot or tethering is being used by detecting multiple MAC address on the same mobile connection. So to bypass hotspot and tethering detection, you can make all data appear from the mobile, so other devices are invisible to the telco.

To do this you can setup a proxy application on the mobile, and then configure iPad or laptop or other devices to use mobile as a proxy server. If using WiFi hotspot or Bluetooth tether this is very easy as they are on a same network.

There are some apps designed for this. The one I have used is Netshare. No root needed and works over Bluetooth and wifi. Also you can share WiFi to WiFi (repeater mode) so you can cover whole house with 4G wifi 😘

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?...a.prog.mikrotik

https://m.apkpure.com/netshare-no-root-teth...a.prog.mikrotik

It is very easy to set a system setting to use proxy on iPad iPhone Android etc. It works great!

I hope this helps some people. I put a lot of research into this and solved the problem for my home, no more buying hotspot quota or "hotspot pass" add-on. Just use normal data quota and stay hidden.
Cheers
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Afaik;

Proxy servers can work to bypass the hotspot-data limit, just like the Pdanet+ app and modded 4G modems. Proxy servers and the Pdanet+ app do this by not reporting or hiding hotspot data usage from the celco; and modded 4G modems do this by changing their IMEI or MAC number to that of smartphones.

Nevertheless, the celcos can still detect such illegal use of bypassing their hotspot-data limits via their Deep Packet Inspection software on the suspected subscribers' web-traffic, especially on heavy data users, eg use >100GB of data per month. How.? Eg iPads use the Safari browser and computers/laptops use desktop browsers; whereas Android smartphones do not use the Safari browser and smartphones use mobile browsers, ie not desktop browsers.
....... DPI can also do browser-fingerprinting which can ID the different devices being used to bypass the hotspot limit, eg when subscribers log into the celcos' app, eg the myumobile app. ....... https://panopticlick.eff.org - Is your browser safe against tracking?

Once illegal use has been detected by their DPI software, the celcos have the discretion to not take any action(eg in order to retain customers during this ongoing celco war) or use the banhammer of suspension, termination and/or blacklisting of subscribers' account.

Heavy-data users, eg those who make a lot of video-calls or watch a lot of 4k movies, should subscribe to the more expensive phone plans with unlimited hotspot-data, eg Digi Infinite 150 and TM UF prepaid Bebas Weekly/Monthly.
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PS - Hotspot data is often limited by celcos to prevent network congestion since each 4G cell tower has quite limited capacity and limited bandwidth, unlike the much less limited fixed fiber Internet data.

PPS - Most celcos have monthly FUP limits for their phone plans, in order to prevent network congection. Cheaper phone plans have lower monthly FUP limits, eg Maxis HUP35 throttles subscribers to 0.5Mbps after using >50GB of data within the month. Because of the ongoing celco war, U Mobile has not imposed its normal monthly FUP limit of 100GB per month. This may end. Those who bypass the hotspot-data limit are also affected by the celcos' monthly FUP limits.

PPPS - The US government/FCC does not allow her celcos to do DPI on their subscribers.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Aug 22 2020, 06:03 PM
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post Aug 23 2020, 10:21 AM

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I never had much luck with PdaNet+ but was able to easily bypass hotspot restrictions with NetShare app.

I have also had success with ShellTun, Shadowsocks and a manual ssh tunnel with socks listener.

I know that DPI and huge download volume would likely identify someone abusing this, but most people won't trigger any alerts if they are just trying to tether a laptop so they can get work done without dealing with insane "hotspot pass" quotas.

Did I mention I have never seen this anywhere else in the world? Only in Malaysia. It doesn't make much sense to me. Why not just sell people an amount of download quota and let them decide how to use it? That's how it works everywhere else. If I buy 30gb prepaid mobile data and decide to share it between 3 devices, and burn through it more quickly, that's my choice. Why should a second device be charged extra? It seems dishonest to me.

Anyway, bypassing hotspot detection is also a little dishonest, but these ISPs bring it upon themselves. As long as you don't heavily abuse it to get terabytes of anime torrents or "Linux ISOs", you should be fine 😁


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post Aug 23 2020, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(MikeReynolds @ Aug 23 2020, 10:21 AM)
I never had much luck with PdaNet+ but was able to easily bypass hotspot restrictions with NetShare app.

I have also had success with ShellTun, Shadowsocks and a manual ssh tunnel with socks listener.

I know that DPI and huge download volume would likely identify someone abusing this, but most people won't trigger any alerts if they are just trying to tether a laptop so they can get work done without dealing with insane "hotspot pass" quotas.

Did I mention I have never seen this anywhere else in the world? Only in Malaysia. It doesn't make much sense to me. Why not just sell people an amount of download quota and let them decide how to use it? That's how it works everywhere else. If I buy 30gb prepaid mobile data and decide to share it between 3 devices, and burn through it more quickly, that's my choice. Why should a second device be charged extra? It seems dishonest to me.

Anyway, bypassing hotspot detection is also a little dishonest, but these ISPs bring it upon themselves. As long as you don't heavily abuse it to get terabytes of anime torrents or "Linux ISOs", you should be fine 😁
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Note that in Malaysia, all non-TM celcos have to pay the monopoly TM HSBB Fiber for backhaul connections of their 4G Internet bandwidth, eg Maxis is paying TM about RM90 for 30Mbps = RM9 for 3Mbps. This means the celcos have minimal profit margins for their affordable "unlimited"-data phone plans = one of the reasons they limit hotspot data and monthly FUP, ie to push consumers to subscribe to high-end phone plans with higher profit margins, eg Digi Infinite 150.
...... In comparison, in USA, the celcos often have their own HSBB Fiber network for backhaul connections, eg ATT and Verizon are both fixed Fiber and mobile 4G ISP. This means most US celcos have higher profit margins for their affordable "unlimited"-data phone plans, similar to TM Unifi Mobile and TM Unifi Air.
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With the affordable unlimited-data phone plans, subscribers can have near-desktop mode by using the Samsung on Dex or Huawei EMUI desktop app, or a 4G LTE Android tablet together with the on-screen Hacker's Keyboard app or BT keyboard+mouse, or a USB-C hub/docking station.
....... Of course the above setups can't replace a Windows/MacOS/Linux desktop computer. For those who really need to work on such a desktop computer, they should subscribe to the unlimited-data fixed Fiber Internet Ethernet modem-router plans or 4G modem plans(like TM Unifi Air) or phone plans that come with unlimited hotspot data, eg Digi Infinite 150. .......

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PS - A Linux OS, eg Ubuntu 2004, or Win 10 can be installed on an Android phone by using the Linux Deploy/Andronix or Limbo PC Emulator app and a VNC app. But I'm not sure whether the desktop OS that's run "remotely" from Android can use the phone's unlimited-data. (Update; seems it can use the phone's unlimited-data) .......


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post Aug 25 2020, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(reoz @ Aug 22 2020, 12:00 PM)
so far yoodo allow hotspot by using your main data bucket.

how much you buy, how much you can hotspot.
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Just to correct abit. You are correct on your point

If redeem the Free 1GB Productivity data , it will use that first, regardless Youtube or whatever you do smile.gif
If didnt redeem the free 1GB , then it will use the respective data bucket ; i.e Youtube will use Youtube bucket.

DIGI prepaid on the other hand, can hotspot, but their BigBonus and Cili Padi, i dunno lah..their data bucket works weirdly when combined together.

 

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