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post May 10 2022, 11:39 AM

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for those who like cherry profile, you should try out mcr profile as well.

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from melgeek's MCR Horseman page:

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The MCR keycaps profile designed from the original profile of Cherry. We enlarged the overall size a little, so the actual finger contact surface is bigger, also we make them more round and higher.

Of course ,MCR is still similar to the original Cherry Profile, ABS material and Doubleshot legends, medium thickness, it's basically no much difference from GMK for typing. But with more delicate surface treatment and a brand new unique fonts, so the recognition will be better than others.
gaps between keys are relatively narrower compared to cherry profile key caps.

also, i like the key cap trays from melgeek. it's like domikey's compact size, but the top covers that secure keys are relatively shallower, so it's easier to take them off.

edit: typing feel wise, it's slight different from cherry profile (maybe due to the flatter surfaces; only noticable with side-by-side comparisons imo)

as for other parts of the key caps, like legends, i think they are ok. (but they use a different font)

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post May 15 2022, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(takenoko @ May 14 2022, 08:41 PM)
hi all, is there any physical store in klang valley that allows testing keyboards now?

i wanna test switches before committing to a purchase. tbh i already bought a switch tester, but still can't decide whether i prefer linear or tactile.

i think i will be able to decide if i can test type on a whole keyboard instead of only a few keys lol. but i don't want to spend on full sets of switches just for testing, you see. prefer to save money where i can coz i'm kinda broke at the moment, but also wanna treat myself to a nice keeb for my birthday haha.
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afaik digital mall, and lowyat should have a few shops for this. however, please make sure you can take care of yourself. i don't encourage this because there is still a high chance to get covid-19 as your birthday present.
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post May 18 2022, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(krayden @ May 17 2022, 04:42 PM)
Isn't that rebult qk65 overpriced? Rm1199 for full case kit and pcb.
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overpriced or not, is subjective in this hobby, especially custom parts. it's really up to interested buyers to justify. it's like people asking us why getting plastics from gmk.

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post May 19 2022, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(cruzzmz @ May 18 2022, 09:24 PM)
agree it come back to user pref  sweat.gif

well for me the expensive one  i try not to buy hahaha  whistling.gif
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well, i mean beside user preferences, justifications should include:
1. specifications of the kit, like overall design, color choices, plate options (plate materials; standard/half/flex-cut), pcb options (hot-swap/solderable; layout supports; firmware choices/support), keyboard construction options (certain kits can support multiple plate-mounting styles), presence of weights/foams and other accessories; you might also wanna take into consideration additional parts that you wanna get; and
2. alternatives that can match the kit, if any, in terms of whatever that you're looking for.

by comparing at least the above (and the costs involved, including shipping and taxes), usually you will have your final decision made. remember that you can always skip them all, and wait for the next kit. it's fine.

custom kits can be relatively expensive because they are limited in nature, and they have options and qualities that might not be available in entry-level or mid-tier kits. if you're really interested in getting them, menabung can be a good starting point. on the other hand, remember that you don't need to spend a lot to have a relatively better typing experience.

.. and yes, the poison is real smile.gif


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post May 19 2022, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(krayden @ May 19 2022, 07:14 AM)
I feel it's overpriced because it was 800+ on the gb. That's after market for you.
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yes, but it's one of the norms in limited gb, i.e., usually there is a obvious difference in pricing during and after gb, which is also depending on stock availability, or whether the maker still accept new orders or not, after gb.

this is different from unlimited gb, like kbd67 lite, which has a 4-round run.

edit: there are a number of formats/patterns on how a gb is conducted. for details and updates, it's better to check the original gb posts from time to time.
edit.2: also, pay attention to exchange rates as well. we have a shitty rate for usd these days.

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post May 19 2022, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(cruzzmz @ May 19 2022, 02:14 PM)
FL CMMK Stab

anyone have use the above stab???

YES the poison is real  sweat.gif  whistling.gif
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i have heard about this plate-mount stabilizer, but i haven't tried it out yet.

maybe it's time to get some more plates that support them haha i have only few reference builds with plate-mount stabilizers

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post May 19 2022, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(cruzzmz @ May 19 2022, 05:12 PM)
Ok I will be the tester .. will get it and report back hahaha
I want to know how good their claim is 😜

And crap i have been poisoned and got the white Q1 barebone already 😅
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sweet smile.gif

imo, the key thing to do in stabilizer tuning is to identify actual causes of the issues, then apply necessary modifications accordingly. if possible, don't apply any that don't help.
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post May 20 2022, 12:08 AM

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QUOTE(cruzzmz @ May 19 2022, 10:19 PM)
dang just realized ... q1 is screw in stab sweat.gif .. is there anyway to use the plate mount one???

any sifu can advise??
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le.. ko main tibai je ke ni?

the openings for pcb-mount stabilizers are too big to fit plate-mount. you can either sell them off, or use them on a board that uses plate-mount, or make a custom plate that supports plate-mount. (the first two make more sense i think)

QUOTE(takenoko @ May 19 2022, 10:56 PM)
haha yea, that's why i'm wondering if anyone here knows a dedicated store that's not in a mall so it won't be so crowded... or a specific store in a mall so i can go directly and leave as soon as i'm done instead of wandering from shop to shop.

i actually already kena covid recently (and i was so careful too sweat.gif), but of course reinfection is a possibility so i'll try to be cautious still. thanks anyway!
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bless you.

it doesn't matter if the places are crowded or not. you can only experience first-hand when you're in direct contact with the boards. just make sure you take good care of yourself.
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post May 20 2022, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(cruzzmz @ May 20 2022, 07:35 AM)
They guy I bought forget to give the stabs sweat.gif
he will pass it to me later
Anyway I will get the screw one later .. which one recommended??
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it's better to ask the owners of keychron q1 to see if they have better recommendations. there is a fb for this i think.

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post May 22 2022, 06:52 PM

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QUOTE(cruzzmz @ May 20 2022, 12:15 PM)
you mean the FB group ??? i applied but didnt get approved though  sweat.gif
gave up already and here is better

hahaha
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yes i mean fb group.
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post May 23 2022, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(cruzzmz @ May 22 2022, 09:27 PM)
i gave up already  sweat.gif

anyone tried owlab stab???
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not sure.

for now, i just stick to everglide v2 (a.k.a., durock v2), and c3 equalz, because they are easy to get. i will get some tx stabilizers also.

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post May 23 2022, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(cruzzmz @ May 23 2022, 02:57 PM)
but usually stab is install and forget right hahaha
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usually, well-tuned stabilizers will work fine for as long as possible. the usual maintenance mainly involves reapplication of lube when necessary.

it's a better habit to make sure all stabilizers are tuned, installed properly, and working as expected, before you start switch soldering process. this is true for builds with pcb-mount stabilizers. to fix the issues after soldering will involve desoldering of all switches/led first (unless it's a plateless build)

compared to pcb-mount stabilizers, plate-mount stabilizers are more friendly to maintain and repair. however, the convenience is also depending on presence of mods like plate foam.

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post May 24 2022, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ May 23 2022, 08:46 PM)
Owl stabs is all hype no substance. Selling point is being touted as the solution to bent wires, said to be the cause of ticking, by using what they call "liquid metal" wire that reverts back into shape like a memory foam therefore never "bending". Except for when it comes out of the factory "bent" or "not straight", but because it always "reverts back into shape" it will always be "bent" and not fixable.

Cherry clip-in = OG Cherry, always good if you know what you are doing, need to clip legs, cheapest of them all i believe

C3 = Comes in a wide variety of colours to match your build, cheap, widely available, v3 comes with a lot of additional goodies to mod your stabs

Durock/Everglide/JWK = Better than C3 from my experience but more expensive, widely available, could benefit from additional modding (holee mod) but downside is mushiness if not done perfectly, ticking do come back in some cases (without holee mod) after some time

TX clip-in = Stem is made of double shot with TPU mixture (soft material) on the inside to minimise rattle, think of it like a holee mod but built in without the mushy feeling of holee mod, clip-in is easier to install, not as readily available as quite new and still hype so it sells out but I've seen it remain in stock for weeks after restock

Staebies = Tightest tolerance of all, probably the best stab to use without lube, it will be tick free even with just a little lube, due to it's extremely tight tolerance there are reports of cracked keycap stems (very rare) and incompatibility with warped keycaps, bent PCBs and long pole stem switches. Biggest downside is it's almost always never available since it's technically still in beta and is the most expensive.

My go-to right now is TX because it is the best imo among stabs i can actually get my hands on.
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right, og cherry is ok. i still keep tuned stabilizers from gmk, kbdfans, and epbt in my existing builds. they work fine.

everglide v2 is not optimal at stock. it needs to be modded to be better. as for holee/epsi mods, i use 0.5mm eva foam with one-side adhesive found at taobao. i compress it manually before application (under heavy objects for a day or two) usually mushiness is minimal or none after that.

i usually get stabilizers that can be obtained easily. they can be fixed easily too. i don't subscribe to cock-teasing-like marketing, even though they are claimed to be the best of the best.
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post May 24 2022, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(cruzzmz @ May 24 2022, 11:10 AM)
thanks
i think i saw a seller sell cherry screw in somewhere
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kbdfans still sells it.

i'm not sure about now, previously kbdfans included cherry screw-in stabilizers in their kits (it's like their stock stabilizers)


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post May 24 2022, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(niakulah @ May 24 2022, 11:40 AM)
Nice summary. Just want to add a comment for my fave stabs, the Equalz C3. Their initial approach was similar to Staebies - Very tight tolerances to fix all noises and wire popping issues. To the point that there were issues with PBT spacebars and their V1s. I am daily driving their V2s and a few months ago I noticed 1 of the stems on my 2.75U KAT spacebar has cracked....

The current V3s hopefully solved this problem, I already have some for my next build.
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this loosed/cracked stem issue by c3 and everglide v2 are real. some claimed that everglide v2 is more serious. it's like the case of initial versions of kailh box switches few years ago, but this time involves long key caps that're used with stabilizers only. the over-sized stem is the main reason why you can observe everglide v2 securing spacebar and modifier keys tightly. but, it might cause one of the following:
1. cracked key cap stems. if over-sized stem meets a keycap stem with even tighter tolerance, then boom;
2. loosed key cap stems. after using a keycap set with c3/everglide v2 stabs, it's possible that your space bar, and modifier key caps might have see-saw effects, when you put them in builds that use other stabilizers.

imo, the 'damages' really depend on individual cases. in my case,
1. i use mainly c3/everglide v2, the see-saw effects are none, so far; (i don't have cracked stems);
2. see-saw effects can still be fixed with a layer of soft plastics during key cap installation; (or, just use replacement)
3. if you really liked a particular keycap set, it's good to get an extra set for collection.

i haven't tried this, but i think the over-sized stems can be fixed with a cruciformer, a tool sold in a limited gb few years ago to fix kailh box with over-sized stems. (or, you can do this manually, at your own risks)

some might even treat this as one of the things to consider when they get used key cap sets. for this part, it's really up to your own justifications.

edit: until now, there is nothing perfect in this hobby. it's up to us to find ways to make them relatively better.



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post May 24 2022, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(niakulah @ May 24 2022, 05:16 PM)
Bro, he started the very first MKB thread.

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1610986
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.. and he's the guy that proposed the moogle kit, https://deskthority.net/wiki/Adapter_kit biggrin.gif


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post May 24 2022, 07:55 PM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ May 24 2022, 04:05 PM)
Logitech’s new MX keyboard brings mechanical switches to the masses
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/log...d-mx-master-3s/
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i really hope the day that we can get pcbs with layouts that we want, stabilizers, key caps, etc. for low-profile switches from different brands will come sooner.




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post May 25 2022, 11:09 AM

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after a brief use of about a week or two on a hot-swap at stock, gateron cj is ok in general imo:

1. it has pom-based bottom housing, hence it sounds like durock piano when bottomed out;
2. they're with lesser stem wobbles, compared to ks-3 series;
3. the key travels are smooth at stock, mainly due to lubrication at factory.

note that the switch i tested is gateron cj. there is also a newer one called gateron box cj.

since gateron pro series, their switches are getting ok in general, with lesser but different levels of stem wobbles. (gateron pro/cap/x/cj/oil king are some examples; finally they have done something to catch up) for those who prefer stem wobbles, there is always ks-3 series.

if you go beyond performance, these new gateron switches are usually at the higher side.

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a quick note on hpe sliders from PangHu: since it has a longer stem pole, not all switches are compatible with it. (i.e., key travel distance are shortened too much) previously i tested with jwick black. it turned out that all jwick/jwk switches have relatively shallow wells. hence it's better to be used with switches that have the standard well depth, e.g., cherry mx, gateron.

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post May 26 2022, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(LostAndFound @ May 26 2022, 08:11 AM)
My brother bought (and in the end passed to me) one of those budget cheapo dunno what brand models. Nice enough to use at the start (got knobs and everything and sub RM100 price) but by the time I got it already got bouncing keys etc. QC probably non existant. My current RK68 is SO much sturdier and reliable.
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there are different levels of overall build qualities among these prebuilts. most of the times, you get what you pay for.

it's good that your brother pass it to you, so that you can experience first-hand how crappy a prebuilt can be.

QUOTE(youngy @ May 26 2022, 08:23 AM)
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How does Oil King compare to Aqua King in terms of stem wobble? Planing to use Oil King on Mammoth 75.

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aqua king v3 has the least stem wobbles. no switch can challenge that afaik. however, stem wobbles should not be the sole consideration for a switch imo.

aqua king v3 has a full pc-based slider/stem and housing. it produces different sound and feel, compared to oil king that has pom-based slider, nylon switch top, and bottom housing that is originally made for gateron ink.
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post May 26 2022, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(niakulah @ May 26 2022, 11:33 AM)
Gazzew fanboy strikes again!

From Goat's review for the Aqua King v3:
Immediately upon testing these switches I was drawn to comparing them to Gazzew’s Boba U4 switches in terms of wobble. Much like those near perfect switches with respect to wobble, these have absolutely no top housing wobble and only the most minor of stem wobbles in either direction.
https://www.theremingoat.com/blog/everglide...g-switch-review
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haha

i haven't tried Gazzew's switches. maybe some days i will get some to try out.

QUOTE(youngy @ May 26 2022, 12:14 PM)
Haha.. really wanted to try Oil King. Guess I'll just pull the trigger next month. Gonna use it stock. Lazy and no time to mod.  sweat.gif
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right, just get what you're after. it's ok to use it as stock if you liked it that way.

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