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TStenno
post Aug 2 2007, 08:14 AM, updated 19y ago

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From The Star :

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Ministers and deputies told to quit posts in sports bodies

By DEVID RAJAH and SIM LEOI LEOI

PUTRAJAYA: All ministers, deputy ministers and parliamentary secretaries have been barred with immediate effect from holding any management or executive positions in sports associations or bodies.

However, mentris besar, chief ministers and Members of Parliament can continue to helm or hold positions in such bodies. 

The decision was made at the weekly Cabinet meeting here yesterday. It follows the Yang di-Pertuan Agong Sultan Mizan Zainal Abidin's decision to step down as chairman of the KL World Endurance (Equestrian) Cup.

It is understood that Sultan Mizan had conveyed this to Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi recently. 

Youth and Sports Minister Datuk Seri Azalina Othman said the Cabinet felt that there were many personalities, including former athletes and corporate leaders, besides politicians who could lead sports bodies and associations.

She said the Prime Minister suggested that ministers and deputy ministers, as well as parliamentary secretaries, should take the lead from the King and stop being involved in the running of sports bodies and concentrate on their official duties.

"But they could remain as figureheads or advisers of the bodies they are in. 

"The Cabinet also does not want the image of a minister to be tarnished if a sports association fails to perform or fulfil targets as this may lead to them being made the 'scapegoat'.

"The funding sports associations receive from the Government is not based on the personalities leading them but on the performance of the sports, especially when we are going to introduce a rating system soon on this," Azalina said.

She added that mentris besar and chief ministers were not affected by the ban as the Cabinet had no jurisdiction over them.

"The Prime Minister did not mention anything about their status," she told reporters.

Azalina said the decision would not adversely affect sports bodies that were being helmed by ministers, their deputies or parliamentary secretaries.

She also noted that sports like bowling, squash and badminton had been doing well even without the active involvement of politicians and they were being run by corporate figures or ex-athletes.

Azalina said Cabinet ministers holding management positions in sports bodies agreed with Abdullah's suggestion to step down. 

Deputy Youth and Sports Minister Datuk Liow Tiong Lai said the ban was to allow ministers to focus their whole attention on the administration of the Government.

"They can continue being advisers or patrons of the sports bodies, and they can still contribute to the development of the sports," he said.

Asked if the ban could have been spurred by the deteriorating condition of the national football team, Liow said many politicians had contributed greatly to the sports bodies they had posts in.

"But we want to protect the ministers and their image. The national football team's failure is not the issue at all," he said.
Now, let's see if this can bring about the desired changes in our sports. But I guess it won't give immediate results, let's give 'em more time shall we...
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post Aug 2 2007, 08:36 AM

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Great... Less talk, more work...

But, why the state's politicians can still hold the position.... PM should ban all of them...
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post Aug 2 2007, 08:55 AM

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Good decision. Let they just focus on their job.
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post Aug 2 2007, 09:01 AM

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they shud had done this long time ago...but then nvm stil a good move..
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post Aug 2 2007, 09:34 AM

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I was so happy when reading thestar today to see the article. Definitely a great move by our Azalina. Hope we can see a good improvement.

In the article also mentioned that other teams such as bowling squash without involvements of ministry is doing great. At least there is a proove that without politicians involvement things can work out great. Hopefully ! smile.gif
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post Aug 2 2007, 09:49 AM

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agree..ministers shld b bannned frm sports...look at taekwondo..the players cant compete internationally for 2 years due to the deregistration of the national association. now they target golf association pula. nbtd.
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I think it's been proven that politics and sports doesn't mix. Even the King, who's involve in the running of the country has stepped down, and he is a genuine horse lover.

When I saw the article, I thought to meself, it's about bloody time! Hopefully it'll bring about a change in the sttitude and result. The feeling was that it has been too long and we've lagged behind for too long now. When they set up the BJSS I thought it was a step towards the future, althought it was using the Australian AIS as a model, it was a far cry from AIS. AIS continually churn out worldbeaters in many of the sports, even the sports they are not good or famous being good at. Having had the opportunity to train at AIS, the facilities there is first class and the people there were second to none, put it this way, we even had a course one evening on how to buy running shoes and which running shoes are most suited to you and your feet. This for me is professionalism.

Let's hope that this will bring about the change and kick up the butt we need to progress in sports and once again put the name of Malaysia in the world map of sports.
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now the minister is being ordered to step down.. but the problem is who going to step up there? IF they still put does minister's relative, brother-in-law or sister-in-law, or close relative up there, IT IS STILL HAVE INFLUENCE OF POLITICS...

They should inject in with some clean and useful people only but can they actually do that?

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QUOTE(hungheykwun @ Aug 2 2007, 09:49 AM)
agree..ministers shld b bannned frm sports...look at taekwondo..the players cant compete internationally for 2 years due to the deregistration of the national association. now they target golf association pula. nbtd.
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I personally had an experience with MTA (Malaysian Taekwondo Association) upon my return from Australia, having trained in Australia with the national team, armed with testimonials from the national coach and various other top coaches, I approach the MTA to seek information and the possibility to take part in the national team selection tournament, not only they ignore the letter, but when I called to find out more, they actually laughed at the letters I sent and told me that I would not have a chance.
Later checks told me that it was a really bad situation there, those who lost in the selection will still turn up for national training and his / her friends will injured you in training so their friends can represent Malaysia in the international tournaments. I had team mates in Australia who went to the World Championship ini Jeju, Korea a few years back and commented to me that the Malaysian team were unfit and I would be 10 times fitter than them and I am one of the most unfit person in our team in Australia! He also mentioned that the skill level and ring craft of the Malaysian team resemble that of juniors and at least 5 to 6 years old, which mean we are stuck in the pass and no upgrade whatsoever was done to improve the teams.
Anyway, the reason MTA was deregistered was because they haven't had an AGM for about 20 years, which is not healthy for the sport. With that, I don't think we'll have any representative in next year's Olympic game, a sad sight to behold.
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QUOTE(pkiensing @ Aug 2 2007, 09:57 AM)
now the minister is being ordered to step down.. but the problem is who going to step up there? IF they still put does minister's relative, brother-in-law or sister-in-law, or close relative up there, IT IS STILL HAVE INFLUENCE OF POLITICS...

They should inject in with some clean and useful people only but can they actually do that?

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ya laaa never tot of that.....what about state ministers...hmm hmm hmm....
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its a good thing that the PM finally made this decision, but i agree with what pkiensing said. theres no stoping anyone under the influence of the politicians to step in. i dont think any of the poltician wantgs to back off just because the PM told them to do so. they'll just have some puppet upront while they're the ones that are pulling the strings.
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I find this statement in particular intriguing.

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"The funding sports associations receive from the Government is not based on the personalities leading them but on the performance of the sports, especially when we are going to introduce a rating system soon on this," Azalina said.


Up until now the FAM receives the most amount of money from the government. The question is if the statement above hold true, what have they done in the recent past to deserve it? Why has Karamjit Singh not received any help despite being the top driver in the Asia Pacific region. The statement above it full of crap but let us see if that will change now.

What were politicians doing in sports associations in the first place? Is there any justification for this? Took them long enough to recognise the flaw in this.
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the way things are run in this country, the money goes to the people who they know not to people who know what they are doing.

These sport association appoint politician as these are the people that will bring in money. WHY??? even when the sport is going nowhere but money still pour in because of 1 man??? something is amiss here.

Its not going to be easy for an association to run without these politician. They will be nowhere in the sport arena radar. Just look at Karamjit Singh. One of the best in the region and he is struggling for fund. then you wonder why FAM receive so much money and goin nowhere in the continent and region. FAM have all the big shot sitting in high places.

In our country, its a chicken and egg situation. Money don't go where there is no political influence. Where there is political influence, thing will be murky. so which do we want??? money but no politic...???? I don't see this happening so soon.
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Well, money will go to the association with the right connections, but the things is that you can have a politician as a patron, but not the chairman or president, that way, you should still have the right people to attract funding but not interfering the day to day running of the association.

Having say that, it's as if the politicians are involve in the day to day running of the sport, which is probably why it's in such a state. The way I see it, it is the mindset of the sportsman and the coaches rather than who's running the association. Although it plays a part, but it's more on the mindset. I remember Claude Le Roy (remember him?) once said that Sharin Majid (remember him too? A nippy midfielder for KL) can play in the first 11 of mid table Liegue 1 team. He's good enough for it, did he followed up with it? What about Akmal Rizal? Miss home cook food? Perhaps he missed the nasi lemaks.

What about the hockey team? from being in the top 6 in the world to what now? WHat about badminton? From having having a pair in the top 4 in the world (Remember that era? The Park Joo Bong / Kim Mon Soo, Lee Yong Bo / Tian Bing Yi, Razif / Jalani Sidek & Eddy Hartono / Gunawan era), then the Cheah Soon Kit & Soo Beng Kiang era (Ong Boon Teong before that), to now we are celebrating when a player beats some small time player or when they win a 3 star tournament. We weren't good enough, the development stagnated rather than build on the Thomas Cup win and spur it to greater heights.

There are others to mention, but as a whole, a major revamp on the sytem on meritocracy is needed rather than the current mediocrity system where FAM receive practically the GDP of a small nation when the others have to beg borrow or steel to send teams to compete. I do hope that the system improves and we have something to be proud off and can genuinely celebrate success in the sporting arena, not just a small 2 or 3 star championship win.


Added on August 2, 2007, 12:00 pmOn a side note, Vijay Singh was a club pro in Sabah with a Sabahan wife, he applied for citizenship and was rejected, if not we would've had a world class golfer in our ranks.

Oh the benefit of hindsigh, also show that the people here are not doing their job.

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It's about blardee time!!!! doh.gif tongue.gif rclxms.gif thumbup.gif

I think we are well aware of cases of how really talented and eager sportmen / sportswomen were left in the lurch by the so called "professional" bodies in their respective sports. How many of them have to sacrifice their own pocket money or get funding from their parents inorder to compete - all in the name and love of Malaysia. The money for the association from the govt is there, BUT how much of it gets put back into grassroot development and proper training is a HUGE open question.
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QUOTE(JonC @ Aug 2 2007, 12:04 PM)
It's about blardee time!!!!  doh.gif  tongue.gif  rclxms.gif  thumbup.gif

I think we are well aware of cases of how really talented and eager sportmen / sportswomen were left in the lurch by the so called "professional" bodies in their respective sports. How many of them have to sacrifice their own pocket money or get funding from their parents inorder to compete - all in the name and love of Malaysia.  The money for the association from the govt is there, BUT how much of it gets put back into grassroot development and proper training is a HUGE open question.
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What grassroot development? I think they struggle to spell development. The likes of MSSM & Sukma used to churn out good sportsman, now it's just getting worst and worst. I long for the day where they actually wake up from this dream that they have and actually do something good for the sporting fraternity itself.
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QUOTE(pkiensing @ Aug 2 2007, 09:57 AM)
now the minister is being ordered to step down.. but the problem is who going to step up there? IF they still put does minister's relative, brother-in-law or sister-in-law, or close relative up there, IT IS STILL HAVE INFLUENCE OF POLITICS...

They should inject in with some clean and useful people only but can they actually do that?

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Nope, they can't, if not they'll be losing tons of "side income".
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The message should read:-

Only those who are worthy of the appointment should stay in sport! Can't place the blame solely on the politicians. The non-politicians who take up position and do not contribute should allow others who can contribute to replace them!

Everytime a sport does badly we look for scapegoats or heads to roll. Sporting bodies need to analyse the need and act accordingly.

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QUOTE(Jonno @ Aug 2 2007, 11:58 AM)
Well, money will go to the association with the right connections, but the things is that you can have a politician as a patron, but not the chairman or president, that way, you should still have the right people to attract funding but not interfering the day to day running of the association.

Having say that, it's as if the politicians are involve in the day to day running of the sport, which is probably why it's in such a state. The way I see it, it is the mindset of the sportsman and the coaches rather than who's running the association. Although it plays a part, but it's more on the mindset. I remember Claude Le Roy (remember him?) once said that Sharin Majid (remember him too? A nippy midfielder for KL) can play in the first 11 of mid table Liegue 1 team. He's good enough for it, did he followed up with it? What about Akmal Rizal? Miss home cook food? Perhaps he missed the nasi lemaks.

What about the hockey team? from being in the top 6 in the world to what now? WHat about badminton? From having having a pair in the top 4 in the world (Remember that era? The Park Joo Bong / Kim Mon Soo, Lee Yong Bo / Tian Bing Yi, Razif / Jalani Sidek & Eddy Hartono / Gunawan era), then the Cheah Soon Kit & Soo Beng Kiang era (Ong Boon Teong before that), to now we are celebrating when a player beats some small time player or when they win a 3 star tournament. We weren't good enough, the development stagnated rather than build on the Thomas Cup win and spur it to greater heights.

There are others to mention, but as a whole, a major revamp on the sytem on meritocracy is needed rather than the current mediocrity system where FAM receive practically the GDP of a small nation when the others have to beg borrow or steel to send teams to compete. I do hope that the system improves and we have something to be proud off and can genuinely celebrate success in the sporting arena, not just a small 2 or 3 star championship win.


Added on August 2, 2007, 12:00 pmOn a side note, Vijay Singh was a club pro in Sabah with a Sabahan wife, he applied for citizenship and was rejected, if not we would've had a world class golfer in our ranks.

Oh the benefit of hindsigh, also show that the people here are not doing their job.
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ya, I remember Sharin Majid, small size midfielder in KL team. When I was kid, my dad used to bring me to Merdeka Stadium watch KL play and he is damn good. too bad he never followed up Le Roy's advise
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Wah at last. The gov is doing something. But how about those state politician involve in the sport? Hope the gov can give a good guideline on selecting the right ppl. For me, the first is how love of the sport of the person, 2nd how well and track record of the person and lastly, give them at least certain time to manage the sports.
So far I see squash and bowling is doing great. Badminton not bad at least we still maintain our standard.

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