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focusrite
post Jun 19 2020, 08:19 AM

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QUOTE(quintessential @ Jun 14 2020, 01:35 AM)
almost become chinese. vietnamese successfully resisted assimilation attempt by chinese since han dynasty.

hopefully, taiwanese can do the same to become its own culture distinct from chinese culture by accelerating desinization process starting from education because taiwanese is not han chinese.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials...9/04/2003699749
https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials...2/20/2003402094
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Pfff, Taiwanese culture IS already Chinese culture.

Completely different case from Vietnam
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post Jun 19 2020, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(quintessential @ Jun 19 2020, 03:08 PM)
don't believe in communist and kuomintang propaganda. taiwanese is not culturally chinese from the start.
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i've actually lived there

taiwanese culture is just minnan culture with some japanese influence.
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post Jun 20 2020, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(quintessential @ Jun 20 2020, 11:07 AM)
if you live in northern taiwan, yes, they acknowledge that taiwanese is minnan and chinese because lots of mainlanders descended from kmt refugees from china live in northern taiwan. hakka living in miaoli and hsinchu are still speaking hakka because they don't want to assimilate into taiwanese society, unlike hakka in pingtung.

try to say  taiyu is minnan yu to southern taiwanese, you will be accused as communist and kuomintang sympathizer.

kinmenese of course call themselves as chinese and not taiwanese because kinmen island is closer to china than taiwan.

minnan culture is a subset of taiwanese culture. it doesn't mean that taiwanese is ethnically chinese or minnan. race is just skin deep.

han kuo yu's "love chinese culture" message in his last presidential campaign platform failed to convince taiwanese to vote for him. that's why dpp and tsai ying wen won presidential election for 2nd time. during her campaign, no one raised republic of china flag.
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/arc...0/30/2003681322
https://michaelturton.blogspot.com/2017/04/...not-ethnic.html
https://michaelturton.blogspot.com/2018/07/...se-round-2.html
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i lived in south and central

seems like you are just trying to play with words

whatever they call themselves is irrelevant.

i can call myself a dog but that doesn't make it true

taiwanese culture is just another sub-culture of the dominant han culture in china.

i know plenty of taiwanese who dislike kmt but still see themselves as chinese. even those who don't see themselves as Chinese citizens see themselves as ethnically and culturally part of the wider 中华民族. only deep green taiwanese(which is a minority like the pro-immediate unification group) supporters deny their heritage

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