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 Prepaid Unlimited Data & Call Price War 2020, Who will be the winner

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Khuan0813
post Jun 19 2020, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(Candy12 @ Jun 19 2020, 02:49 PM)
My area here Maxis and TNB pull their own fibre cables, not necessarily using TM HSBB fibre infra.

I remember @Khuan0813 says he stays near Station 18 in Ipoh. I suggest he go the the nearby 7-Eleven and see the manhole on the road. The metal cover has Maxis logo on it. Maxis is busy digging and laying cables all along the road there.
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Not just near Station 18, the metal cover has MAXIS on it almost everywhere in Ipoh here.

So what do it mean???
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post Jun 19 2020, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(Suno @ Jun 19 2020, 02:59 PM)
how they pull own cable and connect to where to get data? Maxis can generate data their own?
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These are fibre backhaul lines used to connect base stations around the city to Maxis's own regional exchange office. Then from there they linked back to their Maxis NOC in Subang Jaya via national backbone fibre networks wither with their own cables or they lease dark unused pairs from other companies such as Time dot Com, TNB, Fiberail or TM.

The entire network is connected to Maxis's own active switches, edge routers/concentrators and gateways. Nothing to do with other companies. So the hops is less and minimal.

QUOTE(Khuan0813 @ Jun 19 2020, 03:19 PM)
Not just near Station 18, the metal cover has MAXIS on it almost everywhere in Ipoh here.

So what do it mean???
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It means Maxis is building an extensive fibre network for backhaul to their base stations around the city. Not sure they'll use it to sell fixed line FTTH unless there's spare cores. Many Ipoh base stations are fiberized so they could be 5G ready in future.

If you go towards Lahat and Menglembu, you'll also see many TNB poles got fibre cables running below the electricty grid.They can also be used as backhaul for base stations if celcos want to lease unused cores and provide FTTH fixed lines.

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post Jun 19 2020, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(Suno @ Jun 19 2020, 02:37 PM)
Can slighly explain how much it cost for 1 gb from each telco except Telekom?

Why telekom fiber broadband so nice can give unlimited broadband and still profit nonstop? People can easily downloaded 1000GB or more using home broadband. But prepaid you said maybe after 80 or 100Gb will reduce speed?

Fiber normally I see connected from wired from tiang tjere, Prepaid through Air.
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Example;
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https://www.malaysiainternet.my/2018/08/max...s-subscription/ - Maxis has to pay RM88.50 to TM for each 30Mbps subscription? - 24 Aug 2018

So, for HUP35/3Mbps, Maxis may be paying a wholesale price of about RM10 per month to TM HSBB Fiber, irrespective of the amount of data used in GB.
....... But to ensure equal or fair access of its 4G network to all its HUP35 subscribers, Maxis imposes daily/weekly/monthly FUP limits of 5GB/15GB/50GB and subsequent throttled speed of 0.5Mbps.
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post Jun 19 2020, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jun 19 2020, 03:51 PM)
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Example;
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https://www.malaysiainternet.my/2018/08/max...s-subscription/ - Maxis has to pay RM88.50 to TM for each 30Mbps subscription? - 24 Aug 2018

So, for HUP35/3Mbps, Maxis may be paying a wholesale price of about RM10 per month to TM HSBB Fiber, irrespective of the amount of data used in GB.
....... But to ensure equal or fair access of its 4G network to all its HUP35 subscribers, Maxis imposes daily/weekly/monthly FUP limits of 5GB/15GB/50GB and subsequent throttled speed of 0.5Mbps.
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Only TM's HSBB network meters usage that way because participating telcos need to be forced to route their traffic through their active equipments back to their own operation centres.

That is the reason why companies such as Time want to boycott them and rather pull their own backhaul cables.

You see the business structure of passive optical cable pulling is like this done by neutral companies such as TNB and other utility companies.

They lay fibre cables with many cores(strands) inside from one point(usually data centres/NOCs) around the city to be leased out to whoever wants it.

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Since the individual strands are leased individually hooked up the telco's own equipment/ports. You cannot charge them by traffic usage load or by quota.The passive infrastructure fibre company only leases them to the telcos to use with one flat rate and they don't need to know what the individual telcos will use it for since they're plugging it into their own switching equipment such as OLTs/base stations.

TM's HSBB Managed Network

Mobile Base Station(eNodes)--TM's HSBB switching equipment/routers--Celco's NOC

Open Network Passive Infra Network Allo/CTS/SACOFA

Mobile Base Station(eNodes)--Unused/Leased Fibre(Directly All the Way)--Celco's NOC
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QUOTE(Suno @ Jun 19 2020, 04:46 PM)
maxis still pay Rm88.50 to TM for 30Mbps subscription? Now price just Rm89 is not mistaken. So little profit then how? Or maxis just treat it as advertising campaign ah although less profit?
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Nope, if the fibre infrastructure is built by themselves between the mobile base stations and their exchange offices. Why do they need to pay TM when the fibre their own property?

Also leasing from open fibre companies such as Time, TNB Allo, Fiberail and CTS is cheaper.
It's because you're just renting unused dark fibre which hooks up your equipment from 1 point to another point both sides the active switching is owned by you

POINT A (mobile base station)---------leased fibre strand----------POINT B (your own fibre switch/OLT/edge router)

You pay one flat rate for each strand. The open fibre company is only responsible to maintain and take care of their passive fibres, they are not responsible in knowing what data is sent/received in those strands they rent out.
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Finally being throttled for CUP35:

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QUOTE(azhar75 @ Jun 19 2020, 04:55 PM)
Finally being throttled for CUP35:

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Good news for heavy uploader since upload is yet to be throttled biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(zher4883 @ Jun 19 2020, 04:57 PM)
Good news for heavy uploader since upload is yet to be throttled  biggrin.gif
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Perhaps video calls is usable hopefully...
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QUOTE(Candy12 @ Jun 19 2020, 04:41 PM)
Only TM's HSBB network meters usage that way because participating telcos need to be forced to route their traffic through their active equipments back to their own operation centres.

That is the reason why companies such as Time want to boycott them and rather pull their own backhaul cables.

You see the business structure of passive optical cable pulling is like this done by neutral companies such as TNB and other utility companies.

They lay fibre cables with many cores(strands) inside from one point(usually data centres/NOCs) around the city to be leased out to whoever wants it.

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Since the individual strands are leased individually hooked up the telco's own equipment/ports. You cannot charge them by traffic usage load or by quota.The passive infrastructure fibre company only leases them to the telcos to use with one flat rate and they don't need to know what the individual telcos will use it for since they're plugging it into their own switching equipment such as OLTs/base stations.

TM's HSBB Managed Network

Mobile Base Station(eNodes)--TM's HSBB switching equipment/routers--Celco's NOC

Open Network Passive Infra Network Allo/CTS/SACOFA

Mobile Base Station(eNodes)--Unused/Leased Fibre(Directly All the Way)--Celco's NOC
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https://www.skmm.gov.my/skmmgovmy/media/Gen...ess-Pricing.pdf
End-to-End Transmission Service within Peninsular
Malaysia and within Sabah and Sarawak 5 Gbps (RM/month) ......... 46,078(2018), 41,543(2019), 38,144(2020)
End-to-End Transmission Service between Peninsular
Malaysia and Sabah and Sarawak 5 Gbps (RM/month) ....................191,934(2018) 176,109(2019) 163,001(2020)


If celcos are not paying TM HSBB Fiber for backhaul connections within Peninsular Malaysia, they still have to pay TM for backhaul connection between Peninsular Malaysia and Sabah/Sarawak, plus between Malaysia and the world wide web/www via monopoly-TM's submarine cables.
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QUOTE(azhar75 @ Jun 19 2020, 04:55 PM)
Finally being throttled for CUP35:

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Jitter of 670ms and loaded response times of 600ms+?

The line can stream video properly boh?

My FTTH fibre line through WiFi only <20ms to SG.

When switching between 720p to 1080p Youtube videos almost seamless no pauses, if got less than a second the video resume.
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QUOTE(Suno @ Jun 19 2020, 04:46 PM)
maxis still pay Rm88.50 to TM for 30Mbps subscription? Now price just Rm89 is not mistaken. So little profit then how? Or maxis just treat it as advertising campaign ah although less profit?
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I think Maxis is banking on getting more customers to subscribe for its bundled Fiber+Astro IPTV service = costs a total of about RM200 per month.
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QUOTE(azhar75 @ Jun 19 2020, 04:59 PM)
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Perhaps video calls is usable hopefully...
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This is getting interesting. Seems like signs of upload throttling but not as much as download dry.gif
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jun 19 2020, 05:02 PM)
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https://www.skmm.gov.my/skmmgovmy/media/Gen...ess-Pricing.pdf
End-to-End Transmission Service within Peninsular
Malaysia and within Sabah and Sarawak 5 Gbps (RM/month) ......... 46,078(2018), 41,543(2019), 38,144(2020)
End-to-End Transmission Service between Peninsular
Malaysia and Sabah and Sarawak 5 Gbps (RM/month) ....................191,934(2018) 176,109(2019) 163,001(2020)


If celcos are not paying TM HSBB Fiber for backhaul connections within Peninsular Malaysia, they still have to pay TM for backhaul connection between Peninsular Malaysia and Sabah/Sarawak, plus between Malaysia and the world wide web/www via monopoly-TM's submarine cables.
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Nope TM is not the only national backhaul infra owner in Malaysia, Time, Maxis, DiGi, Fiberail, TNB also have their own national fibre infrastructures which runs along highways, rail tracks and national roads.

The pricing structure of leasing dark unused fibre strands is different from TM HSBB Wholesale. They are not hooked into TM's switches or routing equipment so the telcos are not obligated to their per port pricing as in their wholesale FTTH structure where TM is responsible to provide their own fibre modems to all homes/premises.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jun 19 2020, 05:06 PM)
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I think Maxis is banking on getting more customers to subscribe for its bundled Fiber+Astro IPTV service = costs a total of about RM200 per month.
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RM99 only. 30Mbps FTTH bundled with 10GB all data + 10GB Youtube + Unlimited Calls/SMS Hotlink Flex Home Fibre.

This post has been edited by Candy12: Jun 19 2020, 05:11 PM
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QUOTE(azhar75 @ Jun 19 2020, 04:55 PM)
Finally being throttled for CUP35:

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QUOTE(Suno @ Jun 19 2020, 04:58 PM)
CUP is celcom? How much data you used until throttled you? so bad. celcom want you to add money for extra data?
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Should be at about 150GB because yesterday azhar75 already used up 122GB on his 3rd day with Celcom CUP35/XUP35 without being throttled.
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QUOTE(Suno @ Jun 19 2020, 04:41 PM)
means prepaid is actually more profitable than home line. because Rm30 and got limit and more users. And not everywhere got fiber. My relative told me he subscribe fiber and downloaded 100gb in 1 day. crazy.  laugh.gif
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easy to reach if download movie 4k..if 1080p, around 15 movie can reach 100GB..

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QUOTE(fms21 @ Jun 19 2020, 05:13 PM)
easy to reach if download movie 4k..if 1080p, around 15 movie can reach 100GB..
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Usually by torrenting non stop with large files.Nowadays games image sizes each already 30-60GB.
Anime whole season got like 25 files each like 700-800MB each for 1080p video resolution.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jun 19 2020 @ 05:06 PM)
I think Maxis is banking on getting more customers to subscribe for its bundled Fiber+Astro IPTV service = costs a total of about RM200 per month.
QUOTE(Candy12 @ Jun 19 2020, 05:10 PM)
RM99 only. 30Mbps FTTH bundled with 10GB all data + 10GB Youtube + Unlimited Calls/SMS Hotlink Flex Home Fibre.
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https://www.fibre-maxis.com.my/maxis-iptv/

Average price of the Maxis Fiber + Astro IPTV bundle is RM178 per month.

Watching Astro programs via Maxis Fiber IPTV does not need to go through the satellite dish = no service disruption by rain.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jun 19 2020, 05:22 PM)
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https://www.fibre-maxis.com.my/maxis-iptv/

Average price of the Maxis Fiber + Astro IPTV bundle is RM178 per month.

Watching Astro programs via Maxis Fiber IPTV does not need to go through the satellite dish = no service disruption by rain.
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Hotlink Flex Home Fibre + Postpaid Mobile
https://www.hotlink.com.my/en/plan/hotlink-...paid-and-fibre/
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post Jun 19 2020, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(Suno @ Jun 19 2020, 05:24 PM)
sorry but i dont agree maxis can actually own their own fiber? because the cost is too huge. 2008 that time accoiding to lurkaround article mentioned Rm11billion to build fiber network. Maxis wont have that much billion to build own infrastructure. They only can lease?

I check google maxis total asset 2018 only Rm19.8Billion. very little only.  rclxub.gif
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Got a not up to you to believe. Maybe your place you seldom see got Maxis own fibre infra. They actually bought over Time Mobile 017 last time which has nationwide highway fibre network and absorbed into their Maxis network.

Some housing areas in the country not served by TM but Maxis Fixed line.Places such as Bandar Utama, Sierramas, Pakatan Jaya Ipoh, Penang high end Gurney/Batu Ferringhi condominiums and now latest most of the Gamuda projects such as Enclave and Islands.

Maxis Own Fibre with Green Stripes
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Maxis Roadside Fibre Distribution Cabinet(FDC)
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