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TSChenHo123
post May 22 2020, 04:49 PM, updated 3 months ago

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Want to ask veterans here. I am currently working while doing my master part time. In my final sem. I am keen on continuing to take my phd. But the question is where? Should i take my phd overseas or local? Please share your experience(Pro and con).
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post May 22 2020, 04:59 PM

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It all very depends... What field you are working in. What field you plan to take your phd in. Do you have a family... like if you do phd overseas, your family will follow? How is your financial status
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post May 22 2020, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(cdspins @ May 22 2020, 04:59 PM)
It all very depends... What field you are working in. What field you plan to take your phd in. Do you have a family... like if you do phd overseas, your family will follow? How is your financial status
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Still single. Earning Rm3.9k now. Manage to save Rm2k a month.

I plan to take my doctorate in management

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post May 22 2020, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(ChenHo123 @ May 22 2020, 05:04 PM)
Still single. Earning Rm3.9k now. Manage to save Rm2k a month.

I plan to take my doctorate in management
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Get phd if you wish to become a lecturer/ professor
If you wish to get higher salary with phd, don’t do it Master is enough for that
Phd mostly about research, so go for those that with reputable research uni. Publish lots of research papers
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post May 22 2020, 08:55 PM

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Well from reputable University is good enough...
But somehow foreign University normally give advantage to some places.. like bias everything from foreign is superb & top class...

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post May 23 2020, 01:41 AM

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QUOTE(ChenHo123 @ May 22 2020, 05:04 PM)
Still single. Earning Rm3.9k now. Manage to save Rm2k a month.

I plan to take my doctorate in management
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Personally I don't think there's much places outside of academics that places much value in a management PhD, unless you're at a very senior level at a large organisation. If its a PhD in management, then my suggestion is that you get industrial experience first, unless you're planning to work in academics.
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post May 23 2020, 08:35 AM

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If you manage to secure a PhD overseas, then by all means go for it.

If not, then a PhD from our five local research universities (UM, UPM, UKM, USM, UTM) is good enough.

What's most important is your publications. Some might get a PhD from a highly ranked university overseas but if he doesn't produce any papers, that would be useless.

Yes, getting a PhD from a highly ranked university overseas will give a good impression initially but the next thing your employer will ask you is where are your publications.

I know a couple of local PhD graduates (who graduated from our five local research public universities) who are able to secure jobs at overseas universities including a quite highly ranked university in the UK. For them, they have massive publications. They are even much better compared to those who graduated overseas but hardly write any papers at all.

A PhD in Management is hardly valued in the industry except in consulting firms and in academia.
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post May 23 2020, 08:38 AM

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QUOTE(Blofeld @ May 23 2020, 08:35 AM)
If you manage to secure a PhD overseas, then by all means go for it.

If not, then a PhD from our five local research universities (UM, UPM, UKM, USM, UTM) is good enough.

What's most important is your publications. Some might get a PhD from a highly ranked university overseas but if he doesn't produce any papers, that would be useless.

Yes, getting a PhD from a highly ranked university overseas will give a good impression initially but the next thing your employer will ask you is where are your publications.

I know a couple of local PhD graduates (who graduated from our five local research public universities) who are able to secure jobs at overseas universities including a quite highly ranked university in the UK. For them, they have massive publications. They are even much better compared to those who graduated overseas but hardly write any papers at all.

A PhD in Management is hardly valued in the industry except in consulting firms and in academia.
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Thanks man for the advice. So basically what matter is not where you got your phd but rather the quality and quantity of the papers you publish.
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post May 23 2020, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(ChenHo123 @ May 23 2020, 08:38 AM)
Thanks man for the advice. So basically what matter is not where you got your phd but rather the quality and quantity of the papers you publish.
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Exactly.

Anywhere you go, universities (your employer - local or overseas) want to see your string of publications in indexed journals and preferably in Q1 and Q2 journals. And some positions are contract positions meaning if you don't publish a certain number of papers by the end of the year or two years, you will be kicked out. Publish or perish.

In some highly ranked universities, there are even known cases of accomplished researchers being kicked out because being unable to meet the minimum number (quota) of paper publications.

Unless you are applying for teaching universities and colleges (especially some of our local private institutions) who don't give a damn about publications.

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post May 23 2020, 08:50 AM

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QUOTE(Blofeld @ May 23 2020, 08:47 AM)
Exactly.

Anywhere you go, universities (your employer - local or overseas) want to see your string of publications in indexed journals and preferably in Q1 and Q2 journals. And some positions are contract positions meaning if you don't publish a certain number of papers by the end of the year or two years, you will be kicked out. Publish or perish.

In some highly ranked universities, there are even known cases of accomplished researchers being kicked out because being unable to meet the minimum number (quota) of paper publications.

Unless you are applying for teaching universities and colleges (especially some of our local private institutions) who don't give a damn about publications.
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This is very helpful advice. Thank you man. Loved the insight
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post May 25 2020, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(Blofeld @ May 23 2020, 08:35 AM)
If you manage to secure a PhD overseas, then by all means go for it.

If not, then a PhD from our five local research universities (UM, UPM, UKM, USM, UTM) is good enough.

What's most important is your publications. Some might get a PhD from a highly ranked university overseas but if he doesn't produce any papers, that would be useless.

Yes, getting a PhD from a highly ranked university overseas will give a good impression initially but the next thing your employer will ask you is where are your publications.

I know a couple of local PhD graduates (who graduated from our five local research public universities) who are able to secure jobs at overseas universities including a quite highly ranked university in the UK. For them, they have massive publications. They are even much better compared to those who graduated overseas but hardly write any papers at all.

A PhD in Management is hardly valued in the industry except in consulting firms and in academia.
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the last line is the most important... no value for phd in management without experience compare to technical phd...
you want to work as lecturer after finish phd?

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post May 28 2020, 09:01 PM

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QUOTE(ChenHo123 @ May 22 2020, 04:49 PM)
Want to ask veterans here. I am currently working while doing my master part time. In my final sem. I am keen on continuing to take my phd. But the question is where? Should i take my phd overseas or local? Please share your experience(Pro and con).
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It is all about your circumstances:

Family?
Budget?
Advancement opportunity?
Field expertise?

 

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