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Ramjade
post Aug 19 2020, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(rocketm @ Aug 19 2020, 10:33 PM)
I heard news that TD in USA is down for 2 days. Does TD Singapore being affected too?

TD Singapore is having zero commission fee to trade US stock. Does that mean buying and selling US stock does not need to pay any brokerage fee and other fees?
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Theoratically yes but you pay for exchange rate and withdrawal
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post Sep 9 2020, 07:07 PM

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QUOTE(Ziet Inv @ Sep 9 2020, 06:10 PM)
Hi,

May I ask, while trading on TOS platform (example i have US$ 1,000 in it), what is the breokrage/commission fee?

What am I paying for each Buy and Sell ?

Thanks
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You can Google for it.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid...578835322140360
Ramjade
post Sep 9 2020, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(Ziet Inv @ Sep 9 2020, 08:16 PM)
Uhmmm wrong link? haha

by the way, the reason why I asked is because some of the forumer say foreigners (malaysians like us) will still be charged, but their website mentioned $0 commission fee;

so that is why im very confused
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Sorry. Wrong info.
https://www.tdameritrade.com.sg/why-td-amer...de/pricing.html
Ramjade
post Oct 26 2020, 01:19 AM

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QUOTE(VincentCS @ Oct 4 2020, 09:11 PM)
Hi Guys, want to ask if I open TOS.

Is it thru TD ameritrade SG's TOS ?

I heard some says Tradestation global is cheaper s it true?
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Think or swim is now TD.

Depends on how you look at it. TD does not have access to other markets. Not to mentioned there's some pretty heavy withdrawal fees while IBKR give one free withdrawal a month.

QUOTE(Ziet Inv @ Oct 26 2020, 12:17 AM)
It's been 2 months since I've applied TDA SG, until now no response
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You can forget about reply. They get backlog because they offer zero commission. So I heard they are still processing march application.

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post Oct 31 2020, 07:52 AM

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QUOTE(abcn1n @ Oct 31 2020, 01:57 AM)
Ramjade Wow, $0 commission now. What's the withdrawal fees like? Couldn't find it anywhere in the FAQ
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Usd25/withdrawal + subjected to markup exchange rates by Malaysian banks. biggrin.gif

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post Nov 1 2020, 12:39 AM

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QUOTE(abcn1n @ Oct 31 2020, 02:35 PM)
Ramjade Thanks. TD mentioned that funding in S$ (no problem here as have Sg bank account). Do you know what exchange rate they use to convert  S$ to USD when buying US stocks?

For FSM Singapore, we actually have to convert to USD using their forex rates which we can see how much it is first (before buying). If the conversion rate from S$ to US$ for TD is not good, no point using even if $0 commission. Any idea if they convert all our S$ at once when we do funding or they just convert it each time we want to buy?
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No I don't know their exchange rate.

Yes need to use FSM exchange rate. Not the best rate but slightly cheaper than banks. Cannot beat IBKR rates though. If you sign up for autosweep, they auto convert for you.

QUOTE(GamaX320 @ Oct 31 2020, 03:21 PM)
if withdrawal from td, can bank in to any msia bank account?
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Can. Kena charge USD25/withdrawal (TD side) + and additional charges by Malaysian banks + markup exchange rate courtesy of Malaysian banks = you get less money back. biggrin.gif tongue.gif
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post Nov 1 2020, 07:41 PM

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QUOTE(abcn1n @ Nov 1 2020, 01:44 PM)
Ramjade Thanks. The autosweep, you are talking is for IBKR right?
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post Feb 1 2021, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(abcn1n @ Feb 1 2021, 08:11 PM)
Thanks. Guess TOS is still one of the best software out there. 
Will using VPN help with regards to ip ban. Not tech savvy and do not have VPN, but I read that for certain websites that Malaysia ban, you can access it via VPN.
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You don't need to be tech savvy to use VPN.
But you do need to fork out money. Usually USD40-50/year.
If you are like me lucky to land a lifetime VPN deal, you just pay once.
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post Feb 2 2021, 02:06 AM

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QUOTE(abcn1n @ Feb 1 2021, 09:34 PM)
Ramjade Thanks. What VPN is good? I always thought VPN was free but guess I was wrong.
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I use windscribe.
Cyberghost, private internet access is also good.

If windscribe offer me lifetime license again, I am more than happy to buy.

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post Feb 2 2021, 06:30 AM

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QUOTE(waghyu @ Feb 2 2021, 02:11 AM)
Lifetime deal means stolen?
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Lifetime license. Paid about USD50-60 one time.
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post Feb 3 2021, 02:39 AM

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QUOTE(abcn1n @ Feb 2 2021, 10:38 PM)
It doesn't matter how many phones/laptops you have or when you change to a new laptop/phone--still can you 1 VPN license right?
Thanks
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5 devices. Can interchange. Now no more life time license by windscribe. They discontinue it.

QUOTE(dwRK @ Feb 2 2021, 11:27 PM)
didn't manage to find a proxy to run tos directly

router has pp2p vpn...but unable to save details to run...

so set up free openvpn... just need this so program can access the authentication server... after that vpn not needed anymore...

don't need to speed...so free is best  cool2.gif
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You need to make sure your open vpn server is trusted.
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post Feb 3 2021, 04:12 AM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Jan 27 2021, 08:40 PM)
A question for those who use TD Ameritrade, is there any advantage of TDA over IBKR/TSG? Or is it just a matter of preference?

Why did you guys choose to open a TDA account instead of IBKR/TSG?

I am thinking of venturing into US markets. Need to collect some info from the veterans here.
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Interface
Interactive broker have one of the worst interface (TWS desktop). It's not user friendly and is for traders. But a bit of learning and you are good to go.

Cost
TD is commision free but that's where the cheapest stop.
They charge you USD25/withdrawal.
Higher margin rate Vs Interactive broker
Their foreign currency is not real time. I believed they mark up slightly.

If you are using pure interactive broker it cost only usd0.35/transaction.
One free withdrawal a month.
Real time, real rates without markup.
Cheapest margin rates on the market at 1.59%p.a

Market access
TD is only for US market
Interactive broker is truly global. US, Canada, South America, UK, Europe, HK, JP, SG, AU. You name it.

Application speed
TD takes like 6 months
Interactive broker 1-3 days to get your account up and running.

Fractional shares
TD does not have fractional shares.
Interactive broker have fractional shares if you are using pure interactive broker.

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post Feb 3 2021, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Feb 3 2021, 10:06 AM)
Thanks guys. I use TWS desktop often so I think they are quite ok for me lol. I have not fully explored all the functions, but I like the charts functions which allow me to do technical analysis on deciding when to buy (for long term). I have used it to buy Parkway LIFE when it was around 3.83 last year, now at 4.1x, that's a 7-8% return in some 2-3 months time, not bad for a decent REIT.
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Just webull or tradingview for chatting

QUOTE(dwRK @ Feb 3 2021, 11:59 AM)
cant trust anybody... free or paid vpn can do harm if they want... do your own dd lor

with 2fa you are a bit more secure...
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Those Vpn have reputation to protect. If they screw up, the privacy community will know and immediately boycott.

QUOTE(abcn1n @ Feb 3 2021, 11:22 AM)
Thanks
dwRK Ramjade mentioned the need for the open vpn server need to be trusted. Is the free openvpn you are using safe?
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Openvpn is just a free program anyone can use. It's open source. The question which servers is he using. Using the wrong servers will let operators know everything.

For me security is where I don't compromise and hence I pay for them.
https://techcrunch.com/2020/09/24/free-vpn-bad-for-privacy/

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post Feb 4 2021, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Feb 3 2021, 09:26 PM)
thanks for helping.

router using cloudflare dns for past 5 yrs... linux pc & w10 laptop no problem until recently... changed back to google dns still problem

linux pc... chrome, brave & midori browsers, & tos program all cannot reach tda... ping tda 100% loss... however firefox no problem...
w10 laptop... chrome, brave & edge browsers, & tos program all cannot reach tda... ping tda 100% loss
mobile using wifi... same problem reaching tda

very interesting mix results... main issue is tos program cannot get past 2fa... they had a bug that disabled 2fa and the program ran few days ago...

also tm is trapping pc & mobile traffic in my case

firefox is able to access only because dns over https is enabled using cloudflare, if disabled... also mati

user posted image

ping pornhub, tickmill, tdameritrade...all return 175.139.142.25... this ip belongs to tm... DNS blocked

ping directly tdameritrade ip 198.200.171.204 to bypass DNS... all ping lost... route blackhole...
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That's why simple just use VPN. One click and you are good to go.
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post Feb 6 2021, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(infernape772 @ Feb 6 2021, 02:26 PM)
Hi guys, I have successfully created a TD Ameritrade SC account and I have a few questions.

1. Is SC banning and blacklisting TD Ameritrade SG? From the black list I can see that they have blacklisted TD Ameritrade (Global? using .com)?

2. If I were to deposit using FTT (from any banks), what are the charges incurred? From M2U eg: they charge rm10 from Maybank side. Is there any other charges?

3. From the website, withdrawals are 25USD. Are there any other charges incurred during withdrawal?
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1. I think yes.

2. TT charges, intermediate bank charges, hike up of exchange rate by Maybank and intermediate banks.

3. TT charges, intermediate bank charges, hike up of exchange rate by Maybank and intermediate banks.

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post Feb 8 2021, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(infernape772 @ Feb 8 2021, 11:20 AM)
Thanks for the reply, after going through this thread and IBKR's thread is my assumptions correct about these 2 brokerages in terms of pros and cons:

TD Ameritrade SG:
Pros
1. Allows for fractional shares
2. Live data on TOS
3. One less step (does not require whitelabel and using instarem/transferwise/CIMBSG to channel funds)
4. 0 commisions

Cons
1. On SC's watchlist
2. High withdrawal fees, 25 USD per withdrawal
3. Subject to FX rate set by banks and additional TT charges

TSG-IBKR
Pros
1. Accept 3rd party transfers
2. Follow lowest FX rates, not subject to banks
3. No withdrawal fees
4. Not on SC watch list, but who knows in the future

Cons
1. Tedious set up
2. Through whitelabels, still require a minimum of 2.5k USD to prevent inactivity fees
3. There are commissions on trades

Both also subject to 30% tax on dividends

To follow up with that question, what about unit trusts? My goal is to invest in disruptive tech, and the only UT available for that is from Affin Hwang, who charge annual fees and has a fairly high expense ratio, vs straight buying ARK ETF through a brokerage. Is it worth buying through a brokerage like TD straight or will be the costs more or less be the same through UT? Do note that the domecile fund is in Luxembourg so no 30% tax on dividends for UT.
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Some correction
TD SG
1. No fractional shares.
2. Using of fintech is to help you to save on your TT cost Vs using banks. You can use banks and pay more. Downside is you have less money left to invest. Over long time, amount adds up. Your choice.
3. Subject to TD exchange rate also.
4. Take > 6 months for account to be opened.

TSG-IBKR
1. One free withdrawal a month. More than that you pay.
2. Accept third party transfer but money takes longer to enter Vs using direct deposit from sg banks under your own name.
- maybe required to submit proof of transfer 6-7 months down the road if using 3rd party transfer.
3. Not tedious to set up as everything is online.
You just sign-up via whitelabels page and subsequently login using IBKR site. Funding also uses IBKR bank account. Trading will take place on IBKR site.
4. Interface for TWS is not user friendly. Client portal is ok.
5. The USD 2.5k involve your portfolio value so you don't have to actually park USD 2.5k cash inside. You just deposit Usd2.5k of cash and start investing. Just make sure the amount you have inside is > USD2.5k (very easy to achieve overtime)
6.If you use pure IBKR (non whitelabel) you have access to fractional shares.
7. IBKR rates are real time rates without any markup.
8. Commision are dirt cheap at USD1.50 for whitelabels and USD0.35 for pure IBKR

Majority of ark stuff are not having any profit and don't pay a dividend. So dividend is of no importance if you are investing in ark. Buying ark directly is cheaper. Annual fees of 0.6-0.7% Vs 1.5-1.6% if you go via unit trust route.

SC blacklist doesn't even concern me at all cause SC blacklist is politically motivated. If it passed US, and SG regulatory bodies, who cares.

Hope this help.

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QUOTE(infernape772 @ Feb 8 2021, 03:24 PM)
Thank you so much for your reply.

I can use pure IBKR and trade actively (maybe at least buy sell once a month) to avoid the inactivity fee (regardless of my account holdings value)? Will there by any tax implications as a Malaysian or from US?
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If you have no real time job, trading is counted as tax. Need to declare to LHDN. 30% dividend tax from US side. That's all. If you have job, not needed to declare.

The inactivity fees will still be enforced unless you can generate USD10 worth of commision. If you can only generate USD1.00 of commission, you only pay USD9.00. Pretty difficult cause you need to trade like 29x a month.


QUOTE(cucumber @ Feb 8 2021, 04:44 PM)
You mean if I open IBKR account via TSG link, I cannot buy fractional shares?
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Yup. Fractional shares only for those on IBKR pure account. Not IBKR whitelabels.
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post Feb 19 2021, 11:54 PM

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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ Feb 19 2021, 11:48 PM)
Any way to avoid this fee? Damn, withdraw kena fee, deposit also kena fee. So difficult for poor people to start investing.
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Yes. 2 way.
1st way
1. Dump TD.
2. Switch to Interactive Broker.
4. Open sg bank account.
5. Use sg bank account to deposit and withdraw money to and from IB. No fees.

2nd way, don't withdraw unless you really need it.
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post Feb 20 2021, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ Feb 19 2021, 11:57 PM)
But Interactive Broker need to generate minimum USD10 in commissions a month?

How to open sg bank account?

Don't withdraw unless really need it is one thing, but deposit also kena USD25 fee. Ouch.
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You can use whitelabels of IB. No monthly USD10 charges But you pay higher commision of USD 1.50/trade and USD2.00/conversion of money.vs using pure IB at USD0.35.

There's a thread here in lowyat forum. All you need is a CIMB Bank account or Maybank account. Don't even need priority banking.
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post Feb 20 2021, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ Feb 20 2021, 12:05 AM)
Maybank account to transfer money to IB?
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Maybank sg account. But you will need Maybank Malaysia account to open a sg bank account. A condition by Maybank sg.

But if you opened with Maybank, sgd500will be lock inside Maybank sg. If you have less than sgd600 inside, Maybank sg will charge you sgd2.00/month.

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