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post May 14 2020, 03:33 PM, updated 6y ago

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Hi Guys,
Wish to get some opinions form the experts in this forum!
can anyone provide/suggest/opinions on the cautions need to take care of ofr
Auction market and Subsales market!?
thanks in advance and wish to humbly learn from you all!
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post May 14 2020, 03:56 PM

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If buy from Auction, you're buying the house As-Is.
You will own any problems, repair bills that belongs to the house.
Worst case when you open the doors and found out the house got body (crime scene) or got druggies/unwanted tenants. They will become your problem.
No one will know what's good/wrong with an Auction house; that's why its a gamble.
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post May 14 2020, 04:06 PM

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Subsales unless auction is kangtao
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post May 14 2020, 05:59 PM

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Buy auction good, maybe inside got gold bar then it become yours 😃
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QUOTE(LarryPizzaGuy @ May 14 2020, 03:56 PM)
If buy from Auction, you're buying the house As-Is.
You will own any problems, repair bills that belongs to the house.
Worst case when you open the doors and found out the house got body (crime scene) or got druggies/unwanted tenants. They will become your problem.
No one will know what's good/wrong with an Auction house; that's why its a gamble.
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Typical scare tactics by r.e agent.

This post has been edited by icemanfx: May 14 2020, 07:21 PM
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post May 14 2020, 07:42 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 14 2020, 07:21 PM)
Typical scare tactics by r.e agent.
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I beg to differ.

I'm no real estate agent, but at least I keep myself updated with the latest news and delve into property from time-to-time.

https://www.thesundaily.my/local/crimes-tha...urder-FM1952447




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post May 14 2020, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(LarryPizzaGuy @ May 14 2020, 07:42 PM)
I beg to differ.

I'm no real estate agent, but at least I keep myself updated with the latest news and delve into property from time-to-time.

https://www.thesundaily.my/local/crimes-tha...urder-FM1952447
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How often in one year?

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post May 14 2020, 08:02 PM

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I’ve heard too many unfavourable stories with regards to auction properties to ever venture into it. Make sure you do your research first before going for an auction. As they say, high risk, high reward.
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post May 14 2020, 08:15 PM

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Actually, yes, both are second hand units, but its not really apple to apple comparison.
So should rather just go on your preference, like above mentioned, auctioned unit, lower value and u got chance to find either a gold bar or a bloody fridge, or apa pun takda
Sub-sale, stagnant value and u get what you see.
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post May 14 2020, 08:56 PM

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Auction is okay .
Just make sure u do research first..
Background check on the property... Simply don't just jump & buy without looking...
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post May 14 2020, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(Salary @ May 14 2020, 08:02 PM)
I’ve heard too many unfavourable stories with regards to auction properties to ever venture into it. Make sure you do your research first before going for an auction. As they say, high risk, high reward.
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The reason why u hear more bad things than good things is bcoz which idiot would really go tell ppl they find gold in ther newly acquired auctioned unit?
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post May 14 2020, 10:47 PM

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auction is okay..

however please do site visit and make sure buying price always 30% below market...

if the same price with subsale..better go for subsale
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QUOTE(al_madd @ May 14 2020, 10:47 PM)
auction is okay..

however please do site visit and make sure buying price always 30% below market...

if the same price with subsale..better go for subsale
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QUOTE(party @ May 14 2020, 10:41 PM)
The reason why u hear more bad things than good things is bcoz which idiot would really go tell ppl they find gold in ther newly acquired auctioned unit?
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QUOTE(amphard @ May 14 2020, 11:16 PM)
typical stereotype by ignorant

TS, to add on to all the cons that larry pointed out:
1. they are legally obligated to inform you about the address of the property. go do a site visit if its landed house. ask the neighbours about the property
for condo, abit more difficult to see the unit, but u can check with mgmt office for outstanding maintenance and utility bills and previous occupants
2. 99% of the time u wont find gold nor deadbody, but repair bills can be hefty since you dont know the inside condition of the unit [it could be pristine condition, it could be trashed by previous occupant [like cluster kayangan quarantine center]
3. depending on location and property, the hammer price could exceed market value. hence, always check for bank/fair market valuation first, and know ur max limit you are willing to pay for the property. know ur limits. stop when it exceed. do not bid with emotion [if u are bidding for investment]
4. prepare a contingency amount for repairs [refer #2] if u manage to bid without ur required budget

as for subsale:
nothing much at risk unless the unit has defect that owner failed to inform, or didnt know of such defect
you get to see the unit in entirety, and ask as many questions as you want
you can bring your wife mother father auntie uncle pet cat mistress to view the property as many time as u want before u decide on buy.
u sometimes, also can check for loan eligibility before u decide to pay deposit [auction is only ONE DAY, and its harder to check your loan qualification this way]
and if u pandai nego, you can get ur deposit refunded if ur loan fails. auction cannot [though u have 120 days to settle full amount, instead of 90 days for subsale]

PM me if u have further questions

p/s: yes i'm a real estate agent. and yes i've been to auctions
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Again typical real estate agent scare tactics. auction is not for novice, many of those in auction are regular or in the trade, know what they get in to and prepared, and made $$$ from flipping auction units. Only novice and impulsive buyer would bid above valuation price.

Thanks to loan compression, virgin units on auction is rising. Need of repair on virgin unit is minimum.

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QUOTE(chat chat @ May 14 2020, 03:33 PM)
Hi Guys,
Wish to get some opinions form the experts in this forum!
can anyone provide/suggest/opinions on the cautions need to take care of ofr
Auction market and Subsales market!?
thanks in advance and wish to humbly  learn from you all!
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Almost same but different risk. Essentially selling same product under different label. Don’t get trapped.
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post May 16 2020, 07:29 PM

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QUOTE(amphard @ May 16 2020, 07:25 PM)
rofl...stating the fact = scare tactic...
you must be a pro seasoned realtor investor with billions of ringgit worth of property, bro
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He is just purely seasoned posts accumulator. Posting everywhere with his imaginary facts.
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QUOTE(pendekartauhu @ May 16 2020, 07:29 PM)
He is just purely seasoned posts accumulator. Posting everywhere with his imaginary facts.
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The fact remains property trends in the last few years was more inclined to my opinion than yours. Wonder who is living in the imaginary world.

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post May 16 2020, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(amphard @ May 16 2020, 07:25 PM)
rofl...stating the fact = scare tactic...
you must be a pro seasoned realtor investor with billions of ringgit worth of property, bro
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Real estate is illiquid and there are better investment opportunities elsewhere.

Buy when blood is knee deep on the floor.

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post May 17 2020, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(LarryPizzaGuy @ May 14 2020, 03:56 PM)
If buy from Auction, you're buying the house As-Is.
You will own any problems, repair bills that belongs to the house.
Worst case when you open the doors and found out the house got body (crime scene) or got druggies/unwanted tenants. They will become your problem.
No one will know what's good/wrong with an Auction house; that's why its a gamble.
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thanks for your reply.
you cant walk in and check the unit for sure, but you still can look from the outside right?
If there is really a body inside, that can be smell far away!

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post May 17 2020, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(heavensea @ May 14 2020, 04:06 PM)
Subsales unless auction is kangtao
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what kangtao are you refering?
very very cheap price?!
or got insider in bank?
or other thing?!
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QUOTE(Nicklly @ May 14 2020, 05:59 PM)
Buy auction good, maybe inside got gold bar then it become yours 😃
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haha...
that's the best scenario, but afraid the gold bar is actually dog shit!
just kidding
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post May 17 2020, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(chat chat @ May 17 2020, 11:04 AM)
what kangtao are you refering?
very very cheap price?!
or got insider in bank?
or other thing?!
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Very cheap
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No
No

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post May 18 2020, 07:33 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 16 2020, 09:08 PM)
Real estate is illiquid and there are better investment opportunities elsewhere.

Buy when blood is knee deep on the floor.
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where is the blood currently!?
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post May 19 2020, 12:49 AM

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QUOTE(chat chat @ May 18 2020, 07:33 AM)
where is the blood currently!?
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Currently dripping out from the feet. Barely a puddle. Wait a couple of months after the moratorium ends and see if the blood goes up that high.
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QUOTE(Salary @ May 19 2020, 12:49 AM)
Currently dripping out from the feet. Barely a puddle. Wait a couple of months after the moratorium ends and see if the blood goes up that high.
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Wow...looking forward for that!
thanks for your view!
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QUOTE(amphard @ May 14 2020, 11:16 PM)
typical stereotype by ignorant

TS, to add on to all the cons that larry pointed out:
1. they are legally obligated to inform you about the address of the property. go do a site visit if its landed house. ask the neighbours about the property
for condo, abit more difficult to see the unit, but u can check with mgmt office for outstanding maintenance and utility bills and previous occupants
2. 99% of the time u wont find gold nor deadbody, but repair bills can be hefty since you dont know the inside condition of the unit [it could be pristine condition, it could be trashed by previous occupant [like cluster kayangan quarantine center]
3. depending on location and property, the hammer price could exceed market value. hence, always check for bank/fair market valuation first, and know ur max limit you are willing to pay for the property. know ur limits. stop when it exceed. do not bid with emotion [if u are bidding for investment]
4. prepare a contingency amount for repairs [refer #2] if u manage to bid without ur required budget

as for subsale:
nothing much at risk unless the unit has defect that owner failed to inform, or didnt know of such defect
you get to see the unit in entirety, and ask as many questions as you want
you can bring your wife mother father auntie uncle pet cat mistress to view the property as many time as u want before u decide on buy.
u sometimes, also can check for loan eligibility before u decide to pay deposit [auction is only ONE DAY, and its harder to check your loan qualification this way]
and if u pandai nego, you can get ur deposit refunded if ur loan fails. auction cannot [though u have 120 days to settle full amount, instead of 90 days for subsale]

PM me if u have further questions

p/s: yes i'm a real estate agent. and yes i've been to auctions
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any restriction in getting the loan for the property obtain from acution like limit too how many % loan?

i always heard story of middle man in Auction house asking for a cut i,e somemoney of the property u wanted..
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QUOTE(Micky78 @ Dec 5 2020, 03:30 PM)
any restriction in getting the loan for the property obtain from acution like limit too how many % loan?

i always heard story of middle man in Auction house asking for a cut i,e somemoney of the property u wanted..
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Is the same for new, subsale and auction. The limit is your eligibilty.

You go into the auction room with the max limit price. Once it cross the line, walk out and dont have to worry about who is bidding against you or anyone asking for a cut.
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QUOTE(Micky78 @ Dec 5 2020, 03:30 PM)
any restriction in getting the loan for the property obtain from acution like limit too how many % loan?

i always heard story of middle man in Auction house asking for a cut i,e somemoney of the property u wanted..
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no longer got market for middle man or also known as ulat to work now since already moved on to online bidding platform.
so everyone need to fight fair and square now.

used to be able to "side deal" and avoid bidding war but no longer applicable now.
in today market now is may the best man win.

as mention in the above reply, set your max limit, just move on to next unit if not able to meet your budget.
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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Dec 5 2020, 03:52 PM)
Is the same for new, subsale and auction. The limit is your eligibilty.

You go into the auction room with the max limit price. Once it cross the line, walk out and dont have to worry about who is bidding against you or anyone asking for a cut.
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Tq for sharing.. will do some study on the auction process..i am sure in mths time will have more.choices to do bargin hunting.
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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Dec 5 2020, 04:30 PM)
no longer got market for middle man or also known as ulat to work now since already moved on to online bidding platform.
so everyone need to fight fair and square now.

used to be able to "side deal" and avoid bidding war but no longer applicable now.
in today market now is may the best man win.

as mention in the above reply, set your max limit, just move on to next unit if not able to meet your budget.
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Tq for sharing. How many units u have secure fr auctions... Can flips good money..
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QUOTE(chat chat @ May 14 2020, 03:33 PM)
Hi Guys,
Wish to get some opinions form the experts in this forum!
can anyone provide/suggest/opinions on the cautions need to take care of ofr
Auction market and Subsales market!?
thanks in advance and wish to humbly  learn from you all!
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Here are some of the reference that you can get more info regarding auction/subsale or developer. They have their own challenges to buyers. Check some of the links i read sometime ago.

https://www.propertyguru.com.my/property-gu...-property-13255
https://www.facebook.com/dannykopublic/vide...84704036211305/
https://loanstreet.com.my/learning-centre/n...ubsale-property
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKDds2rJLaQ

Hope it helps! I just learn from Google. haha. At least to gain some basic knowledge.
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What are some of the resources when you all looking at auction property? Let's crowdsource our research sources here? Currently, I'm using the following:

1) Lelongtips- Up to date listing
2) Lowyat/propertytalk- Use to get understanding on each of the locations (maintenance, defect, type of people staying there, etc etc)

Any other page/ resources?

 

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