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Xiaomi POCO F2 Pro, The New Flagship killer?

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post Aug 10 2020, 07:15 PM

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QUOTE(attw @ Aug 10 2020, 06:10 PM)
Maybe the custom launcher helps. I had strange background activity on the Poco stock launcher, it wasn't as bad as a Samsung running on Exynos, but it was still there. Anyways, all in all, for below RM2k (or now below RM1.8k), the Poco is a very easy recommendation.
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Ah, maybe my situation slightly different, I never use any of the stock apps ( except phone and contact ).
Coz when first launch some of those stock apps, it asked me to accept TnC, that's super fishy so I decided not to use stock mi apps. I clear cache and then clear data, to reset it back to uninitiated state.
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post Aug 10 2020, 11:54 PM

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QUOTE(XXXOOOXXXOOO @ Aug 10 2020, 08:15 PM)
me base on F1 experience, every few day or week new update.
f2 belum sampai lagi.
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poco and xiaomi, although MIUI but 'same same but different' biggrin.gif

During my ownership with poco f1, update are quite frequent, security update etc, which is good, means they pay attention to update.
After sold f1 and using newer mi9T, the update are so much lesser, like once every 2 months ?
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post Aug 11 2020, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(msacras @ Aug 11 2020, 07:41 PM)
Bangsawan phone, not interested (now) laugh.gif

May be wait until 3 years down the line and it’s price dropped to sub RM1k then can consider, haha.
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you wont, by the time, you're considering F5 pro max mark II premium, maybe ? biggrin.gif
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post Aug 11 2020, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(XXXOOOXXXOOO @ Aug 11 2020, 09:51 PM)
woo k30 ultra starting prices rmb 1999

bought k30 ultra 8g*512. rmb 2499.
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Mediatek kthxbai biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(XXXOOOXXXOOO @ Aug 11 2020, 10:09 PM)
so ? my grand father also tell me Japan car cannot use one.
My father told me korea car cannot pakai also ....
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QUOTE(attw @ Aug 11 2020, 10:30 PM)
Try one of the newer midrange MediaTek chipset like the G90T - you would be pleasantly surprised.

Of course, if you want custom ROM and G-cam ports, then you’ll need to stick to SD.

I personally look forward to trying the Dimensity series from them.
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Go ahead, if you dont care about Android update. They are bad at software/firmware support. That also means, possibility of unstable/unoptimized performance.

Although dont concern me much, but usually graphic performance are worse than qualcomm, coz they're using reference GPU from ARM.

Yes, most people straight jump to conclusion that mediatek are bad, but all these bad rep wasnt groundless.
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post Aug 12 2020, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(attw @ Aug 12 2020, 07:42 AM)
Haha, yeah, I will buy MediaTek and try too, but most likely on a Realme instead of a Xiaomi - due to UI preference,
In terms of security updates, my Realme 6 is more consistent than my ex Poco F2 Pro - am already on July updates now, but yeah, as far as major Android updates are concerned it's probably a question mark but I'm sure it's more to do with the phone manufacturers' commitment. Anyways, no right or wrong. I had the same impressions of MediaTek back then but using one now, I give them credit for how far they've come.

But at the end of the day, no right or wrong. Just buy the phone with the chipset you're comfortable with, and for me, that means avoiding Exynos like the plague laugh.gif
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That's the thing. Chipset designer/producer provide codes/firmware to phone manufacturer, then phone manufacturer compile as update package to send to phone. Mediatek are infamously bad at providing codes/firmware update. Hence many lower end phone using mediatek, coz most people dont mind/care about Android update, just buy and use. Higher end phone owner more demand on long term s/w support.

QUOTE(mfa682 @ Aug 12 2020, 10:04 AM)
As a flashaholic point of view, I totally agree. Even xiaomi EU rom devs advice their users to avoid mediatek at all cost due to the nature of the chipset. Not flash-friendly and any device with mediatek may suffer hardbrick easily when things go south.

With that said, I hope mediatek will improve in future. A lot of us need them as alternative to the dominating qualcomm, especially when it comes to price.
Will take a while for Sammy to gain back users confidence to place trust in exynos... Or perhaps they won't gain it back at all, who knows laugh.gif
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True, I really hope mediatek can thrive, we need them to. Kirin might be on edge of dead cliff now, thanks to joker trump, exynos mcm not here not there. If US-China trade war continue and if US on upper hand, taiwanese mediatek could be the only viable alternative to Qualcomm.

Qualcomm are like Intel, dominating and getting expensive while we cant do anything but swallow higher cost. We need mediatek to be AMD, but I dont see them up to the job yet.
They need to step up on firmware/software update, and commit to it long term. GPL compliance also.
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post Aug 12 2020, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(soulseeker6187 @ Aug 12 2020, 12:17 PM)
u mean f2 pro.

this phone only support 60Hz. of coz no option to change.
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or wrong thread ? realme x2 pro with 90Hz laugh.gif
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post Aug 13 2020, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(msacras @ Aug 13 2020, 09:38 AM)
But why?

Except for the 90Hz screen and better main camera+OIS, it’s pretty much the same stuff else where.
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Not to bad mouth f2 pro notworthy.gif , as I didnt owned it, or even tested it in real life, 'usually' there's difference in build quality between different price bracket product. I didnt owned/tested mi 10 also sweat.gif
When I owned poco f1, the build quality will tell you it's 'good value' product, not premium flagship. Not sure how difference with f2 pro, as it's cost/price are much much higher than f1.

It's in same price range now due to age and promotion. Like comparing used BMW vs latest Camry, there's people prefer one or another.
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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Aug 13 2020, 09:09 AM)
I gave up Note10+ for any phone. Haha!

Will update after sometimes use.

By the meantime, the macro mode on this phone is madness! Wow!

user posted image
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Nice, this will convince many to jump into f2 pro. Shoot more and post more biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(XXXOOOXXXOOO @ Aug 13 2020, 12:00 PM)
build quality bad ? anything physical of ur phone drop out ? any weird noise inside ur phone when u shake ?
btw build quality n build material is two different thing, huge apart ...
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You need to dial your aggression way down. Which portion did I said build quality bad ? Need eye test ? brain test ?

Quality is characteristic not measurable in numeric attribute. Axia's dashboard wont dismantle itself, or break every year, but build quality will be different than a toyota's
Both might outlast your ownership period, but the feeling of touch, rattle-ness, edge corner, assemble method, average lifespan, are not the same.

Again, I'm not mirror f2 pro against above, in case your brain break again. Go drink coconut water to chill down.
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QUOTE(msacras @ Aug 13 2020, 12:06 PM)
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Xiaomi-Poco-F...s.483416.0.html

Except for the
1. (only) 60Hz refresh rate (duh, after the resolution and pixel density race, now we’re going for the screen refresh race... since when did it started that people get so obsessed with high refresh rate...)
2. kind of low PWN frequency (may affect some people if you’re sensitive enough to notice it; it’s the inherent characteristics of PWN display especially OLED, not exactly a fair parameter to judge the quality of a display, but experienced manufacturers should had know and avoid this issue in the first place)
3. mono speaker
4. mediocre cameras setup (lack of OIS)

POCO don’t have other noticeable hardware flaws. Built quality of modern glass sandwich phone is just about there, be it cheapo or premium models. Even sub 1k phone with plastic frame can feel very solid nowadays. That’s how far the smartphone making industry has evolved for China brands.

I understand your idea of corners are cut to keep price low. And I believe that’s exactly why we no longer see metal built phone for midrange prices phone. But POCO is lucky enough to be the exception here. In addition it’s blessed with the vapour chamber cooling which paired splendidly with the flagship chip for sustainable performance under load, gotta give them the credit for it.

TL;DR, by compromise a little to settle for “great” instead of “best”, it’s possible to get/deliver a flagship like experience for a midrange like pricing. Manufacturers started to facing difficulties to segment their phones nowadays, where flagships no longer deliver something totally outstandingly that mid/low range couldn’t.

Deswai the most usual tricks they still use are the camera quality (and numbers, KEK), phone storage/memory size&speed, (curved) display quality (and more modernly the refresh race...) and metal/plastic build.
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1. Personally I might not care enough for fast refreshed display. I dont game, my phone usage are really normal, like messaging and web browsing. I would argue that the 'race' now are due to spec number. Bigger number looks better sweat.gif I use 100Hz monitor on desktop PC, but 99% of time I'm on Chrome browsing and youtube, no difference if it's on 60Hz mode. Only when gaming, you need those high refresh rate, although I would argue again, 90-120Hz are more than enough. ROG 144Hz or secret 160Hz just nice on paper.
TLDR nice to have 90/120Hz phone display, not a must for me.
4. I kinda think not big factor unless video recording or low light slow shutter speed. My current mi9T and previous poco f1, both dont have OIS i think, but I dont face an issue capturing photo. Even my OG 1st gen Pixel XL, no OIS but no shutter lag, it's just fast.
Seems like phone manufacturer ( or chipset or camera sensor in our phone now ) are capable of capturing photo with little shutter lag. But yeah, OIS will definitely have cost difference.

I think flagship killer are trend and popular now, because it give you perhaps 95% of what you need in day to day usage ?
Flagship are difficult to justify themselves now, when I see Note 20, thinking it's nice, but when put it side by side to Note 20 Ultra, the thicker bezel, larger punch hole, I felt sad and mad, paying flagship price for Note 20, then knowing you get slight compromise because you didnt pay enough for best of the best doh.gif
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post Aug 13 2020, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(attw @ Aug 13 2020, 02:55 PM)
The F2 Pro is good value product at RM1799 too. Better build quality than the Note 20 laugh.gif
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OS optimization better on poco also, my friend can consistently demonstrate how IG lag on his many generation of sammy laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Aug 14 2020, 05:15 PM)
Xposed I long never play, never know it can by pass Widevine. Cool.

Actually I didn't root very long time already, all return and unknown now. Haha
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QUOTE(mfa682 @ Aug 14 2020, 06:28 PM)
Most people these days don't need root and xposed. Only a handful wanted to get the best out of their phones.
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Last time root to install ad-blocker, xposed, theme machine biggrin.gif those are so nerdy days
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post Aug 15 2020, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Aug 14 2020, 10:58 PM)
Haha! Agreed! No need already now.
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Ya, for ad-block I just use browser with build in ad-blocker. Youtube premium cheap only.
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Cant wait for 9.9 now drool.gif
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QUOTE(attw @ Sep 1 2020, 10:28 AM)
Seems there will be a Poco X3 with a new SD732G chipset launching very soon.

https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_poco_x3_to_...-news-45018.php
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Let's hope for rm1k phone biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(WiLeKiyO @ Sep 1 2020, 07:29 PM)
I hope it's not the same price as Nord.
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Based on leaked spec, it should not be that high.
Lower end SD732G and LCD.
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QUOTE(WiLeKiyO @ Sep 1 2020, 08:22 PM)
It's pretty hard to guess since POCO X2 is not available locally.

What's your estimated price?
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QUOTE(loutze @ Sep 2 2020, 10:25 AM)
I would think RM1499
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Ya, my estimation between 1k to 1.5k
hopes will be lower end of that range. See if they got serious competition in that price range or not.
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QUOTE(WiLeKiyO @ Sep 2 2020, 11:12 AM)
Oh my RM1499, that's not very attractive pricing.
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QUOTE(XXXOOOXXXOOO @ Sep 2 2020, 11:13 AM)
just 200 cheaper than poco f2 ? yah i think buying dont mind paying extra 200 ...
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Difficult to say, thanks to Qualcomm throat-fed-useless-5G into most of their SOC, 2020 high-end mid-end phone are more expensive compare to last gen.
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QUOTE(chittyserv @ Sep 2 2020, 11:44 AM)
i really think the 730 gen is insufficient. like the Mi note 10 pro.. sluggish phone
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I have no issue with SD730 on my Mi9T, and I was downgrading from Poco F1 SD845
As long you dont game, current gen SD7xx are more than enough for average use.

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