TS0501024
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May 12 2020, 09:50 PM, updated 4y ago
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Hi guys. Just want to ask for opinions.
Anyone familiar with labour law feel free to comment ya...
Story is like this... Right after MCO, co said staff all take pay cut to help the company. So April pay is 80% . Now, i think the company seeing the industry is going to take about 1-2years to gain traction again, marked 4 pax to leave the company, given 2 mth notice. so considered til 15 July as official letter will be out this Friday.
Is there anything that can be done to recoup that 20%salary x 3 mths (Apr/May/June)? Coz to me it feels like co planned it. reduce salary, staff agree, then fire.
At average of 6.5-7k salary, its easily rm4200 there, and it wont be easy to look for job in this current economy...
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Baconateer
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May 12 2020, 09:54 PM
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Is the company firing u or retrenching u?
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waghyu
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May 12 2020, 09:54 PM
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QUOTE(0501024 @ May 12 2020, 09:50 PM) Hi guys. Just want to ask for opinions. Anyone familiar with labour law feel free to comment ya... Story is like this... Right after MCO, co said staff all take pay cut to help the company. So April pay is 80% . Now, i think the company seeing the industry is going to take about 1-2years to gain traction again, marked 4 pax to leave the company, given 2 mth notice. so considered til 15 July as official letter will be out this Friday. Is there anything that can be done to recoup that 20%salary x 3 mths (Apr/May/June)? Coz to me it feels like co planned it. reduce salary, staff agree, then fire. At average of 6.5-7k salary, its easily rm4200 there, and it wont be easy to look for job in this current economy... Capture on written evidences. Ready to bring to labor court. This is one way and you might never get job again with them. You want to play nice or court ?
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taufoo
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May 12 2020, 09:55 PM
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Getting Started
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Konspiracy Theori , mcm flat earth.
Some more give 2 months notice pay. Considered damn good liao. Never die for a company that is not yours. Because, when shit hits the fan, doesnt matter if youre the favourite, still go.
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Pikichu
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May 12 2020, 09:56 PM
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TS can google retrenchment requirements And as 2 members mention, bring to labour court. Company can retrench staff in hard times but should be fairly compensated.
All the best.
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TS0501024
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May 12 2020, 10:02 PM
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QUOTE(Baconateer @ May 12 2020, 09:54 PM) Is the company firing u or retrenching u? umm essentially was told that "company needs to save themselves and reduce overheads"
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TS0501024
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May 12 2020, 10:03 PM
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QUOTE(waghyu @ May 12 2020, 09:54 PM) Capture on written evidences. Ready to bring to labor court. This is one way and you might never get job again with them. You want to play nice or court ? this co, can go screw themselves 😂
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Baconateer
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May 12 2020, 10:03 PM
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QUOTE(0501024 @ May 12 2020, 10:02 PM) umm essentially was told that "company needs to save themselves and reduce overheads" sounds like retrenching to me
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TS0501024
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May 12 2020, 10:03 PM
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QUOTE(taufoo @ May 12 2020, 09:55 PM) Konspiracy Theori , mcm flat earth. Some more give 2 months notice pay. Considered damn good liao. Never die for a company that is not yours. Because, when shit hits the fan, doesnt matter if youre the favourite, still go. i agree, some people quite unlucky immediate terminate and co compensate... lose job overnight...
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TS0501024
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May 12 2020, 10:04 PM
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ May 12 2020, 09:56 PM) TS can google retrenchment requirements And as 2 members mention, bring to labour court. Company can retrench staff in hard times but should be fairly compensated. All the best. yea .. thanks for opinion... sounds like labour court is the suggestion of most people
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taufoo
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May 12 2020, 10:16 PM
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Getting Started
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TS, if they compensate you fairly, you might want to think twice to go to labour court.
Don't burn bridge. You will never know if you will run into them in the future. Especially if same industry.
Only go to labour court if they retrench unjustly and with short notice. For management to make such a decision, they most likely have also consulted various parties on how to execute.
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TS0501024
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May 12 2020, 10:20 PM
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QUOTE(taufoo @ May 12 2020, 10:16 PM) TS, if they compensate you fairly, you might want to think twice to go to labour court. Don't burn bridge. You will never know if you will run into them in the future. Especially if same industry. Only go to labour court if they retrench unjustly and with short notice. For management to make such a decision, they most likely have also consulted various parties on how to execute. thanks for concern and legit advice. will know more this friday 🤞 maybe they suddenly got angel investor hahahaha
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fuzzy
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May 12 2020, 10:22 PM
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QUOTE(0501024 @ May 12 2020, 10:20 PM) thanks for concern and legit advice. will know more this friday 🤞 maybe they suddenly got angel investor hahahaha First thing to do, just go talk to the HR. Legal options are always available, but you don't need to burn those bridges until other recourse have been taken.
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TS0501024
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May 12 2020, 10:27 PM
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QUOTE(fuzzy @ May 12 2020, 10:22 PM) First thing to do, just go talk to the HR. Legal options are always available, but you don't need to burn those bridges until other recourse have been taken. agreed. just preparing and playing different scenarios in my head aka "think too much" 😂
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precept66
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May 12 2020, 10:29 PM
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Labour Court will have their hands full this time which may result cases to delay. Get your justifiable compensation and move on.
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pretty23
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May 12 2020, 10:38 PM
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do you think you can survive in your company after go labour office to lodge case ?
This situation no matter how you choose will also lost your job.
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keyser soze
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May 12 2020, 10:41 PM
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Talk nicely first. Told them you agree with the pay cut is expect no retrenchment. Since retrenchment is unavoidable, expect them to compensate with full salary. If can't get back full 20% maybe can nego for 10% which is not too bad.
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waghyu
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May 12 2020, 10:47 PM
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QUOTE(0501024 @ May 12 2020, 10:03 PM) this co, can go screw themselves 😂 How long you work there already ?
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TS0501024
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May 12 2020, 11:12 PM
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QUOTE(pretty23 @ May 12 2020, 10:38 PM) do you think you can survive in your company after go labour office to lodge case ? This situation no matter how you choose will also lost your job. im not fighting to keep my job. am contesting the "salary reduction to help co" and then termination notice less than a month later
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TS0501024
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May 12 2020, 11:12 PM
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QUOTE(keyser soze @ May 12 2020, 10:41 PM) Talk nicely first. Told them you agree with the pay cut is expect no retrenchment. Since retrenchment is unavoidable, expect them to compensate with full salary. If can't get back full 20% maybe can nego for 10% which is not too bad. sounds reasonable enough. and this is happening with 5 other colleagues so its a considerable amount
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