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Quazacolt
post May 8 2020, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ May 8 2020, 09:13 AM)
don't think so...and they wouldn't have any reason to do it as well
why?...because for the japanese....they're selling it as "used car"
malaysian buy those "used car" from japan and send it here and resell it as "recond car"
the auction sheet is graded by someone certified by the auction house...not filled in by the owner itself
not to mention, the body's condition will ultimately reflect if the mileage is real or not...u simply cannot have a 2000KM mileage with a body that is scratched up....the grading is not only via mileage only

why do u say the report from scrut look suspicious?
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The auction sheets can be tampered and the cars being auctioned can be done by non Japanese as well

Not to mention, majority of cars that goes in for auction, already de registered from Japan. Meaning those cars aren't exactly just being sold as used cars in Japan domestic market.

My car was 28k km tampered, original was 120k. However cosmetics and everything seemed ok. Even an actual Japanese from Goo Kantei inspected with certificate somemore laugh.gif

So to me, as I've posted before, there is room for error for scrut. No doubt it is more than half price cheaper than most other services.
You get what you paid for in the end.
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post May 8 2020, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(eyerule @ May 7 2020, 10:55 AM)
it's illegal everywhere but even UK does it. we brought a BMW M5 in from UK for our customer and the mileage was tampered. luckily we are really close to the customer and the customer saw exactly when the pics arrived showing the mileage. so anything tampered was in UK. we had to take the M5 off him, sell it off cheap and bring in another one for him.
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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ May 7 2020, 11:45 AM)
You would be surprised that it happens in US as well.
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QUOTE(littlefire @ May 7 2020, 11:49 AM)
New car also got. Some car dealers even use test drive units to sell as new. In malaysia, everything also can kautim. The best is get an experience mechanic to inspect the car. Usually with their vast experience in servicing different car they can estimate the car age or mileage base on the engine condition, chassis, lower arm & suspension cosmetic and feel. That's why it is important to jack up the car to inspect below condition, usual car dealer just do outside cosmetic job only.
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chongmelvin2238, FYI.
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post May 8 2020, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ May 8 2020, 12:55 PM)
The auction sheets can be tampered and the cars being auctioned can be done by non Japanese as well

Not to mention, majority of cars that goes in for auction, already de registered from Japan. Meaning those cars aren't exactly just being sold as used cars in Japan domestic market.

My car was 28k km tampered, original was 120k. However cosmetics and everything seemed ok. Even an actual Japanese from Goo Kantei inspected with certificate somemore laugh.gif

So to me, as I've posted before, there is room for error for scrut. No doubt it is more than half price cheaper than most other services.
You get what you paid for in the end.
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if people don't believe in scrut
they can engage other website that offer the same services
scrut is not the only website doing it and he isn't even the 1st...he is 1st in malaysia only
and it's best to get the auction sheet instead of the translated version

most of the auction sheet i saw, the mileage is real because it makes sense based on the year
other details like scratches, dents, interior, hair will also support it as well
based on the auction sheet, u can also know what is it previously used for...that will support if the mileage is real or not

This post has been edited by MR_alien: May 8 2020, 02:36 PM
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post May 8 2020, 07:50 PM

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Thx for many Sifu... I Guess it’s better to buy used than recon
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post May 8 2020, 08:08 PM

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ahh... just buy new if cant afford to have problematic cars

i will never buy recond cars in my whole life.

i wont support this type of business.
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post May 8 2020, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ May 8 2020, 02:35 PM)
if people don't believe in scrut
they can engage other website that offer the same services
scrut is not the only website doing it and he isn't even the 1st...he is 1st in malaysia only
and it's best to get the auction sheet instead of the translated version

most of the auction sheet i saw, the mileage is real because it makes sense based on the year
other details like scratches, dents, interior, hair will also support it as well
based on the auction sheet, u can also know what is it previously used for...that will support if the mileage is real or not
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Yeah other services provided original auction sheets and the key differentiator - the details from Japanese MILT database.

And no, you will NOT know what the vehicle was used for/how it was driven based on the auction sheets. And thus it does not support if it is genuine mileage or not.
Even The database information MAY let you know where the vehicle was from and mainly based at, but that's it. Much less for auction sheets.

My point was that the auction sheets may not provide sufficient information, and scrut only uses that.


QUOTE(chongmelvin2238 @ May 8 2020, 07:50 PM)
Thx for many Sifu... I Guess it’s better to buy used than recon
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Used Malaysian vehicles May be worse and would still be subjected to tampering that you have less methods to verify lol
Not sure how you interpreting this.
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post May 9 2020, 05:04 AM

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Can verify with local service Center for the car record history. Aiming 3-5 years car.
With the current free service and warranty, I believe most owner will send their car to officlal service Center..
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QUOTE(chongmelvin2238 @ May 8 2020, 07:50 PM)
Thx for many Sifu... I Guess it’s better to buy used than recon
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recond is just a fancier name for "used" or more specifically is overseas used laugh.gif


QUOTE(Quazacolt @ May 8 2020, 08:19 PM)
And no, you will NOT know what the vehicle was used for/how it was driven based on the auction sheets. And thus it does not support if it is genuine mileage or not.
Even The database information MAY let you know where the vehicle was from and mainly based at, but that's it. Much less for auction sheets.

My point was that the auction sheets may not provide sufficient information, and scrut only uses that.
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hmm, maybe u never see the auction sheet before...it has way more info than u need to determine the car's value
now i never use scrut before and i don't know what are they giving to their customer
or maybe they just give a simplified translated version to their customer

but let me compile 1 auction sheet for u to see...an actual original auction sheet and what it contains
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ May 8 2020, 08:19 PM)

Used Malaysian vehicles May be worse and would still be subjected to tampering that you have less methods to verify lol
Not sure how you interpreting this.
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you can call SC to verify dry.gif
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post May 9 2020, 08:01 AM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ May 9 2020, 07:41 AM)
hmm, maybe u never see the auction sheet before...it has way more info than u need to determine the car's value
now i never use scrut before and i don't know what are they giving to their customer
or maybe they just give a simplified translated version to their customer

but let me compile 1 auction sheet for u to see...an actual original auction sheet and what it contains
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I've gotten the fake auction sheets from local recond dealer and the genuine one from Carvx laugh.gif

So no, I've seen auction sheets before.

But sure, do compile then and enlighten me biggrin.gif

QUOTE(ckk125 @ May 9 2020, 07:52 AM)
you can call SC to verify dry.gif
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You would be surprise on some of the cases laugh.gif
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QUOTE(chongmelvin2238 @ May 9 2020, 05:04 AM)
Can verify with local service Center for the car record history. Aiming 3-5 years car.
With the current free service and warranty, I believe most owner will send their car to officlal service Center..
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Try acquire Pre-owned or Pre-reg.
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post May 9 2020, 10:11 AM

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High mileage is secondary for me when buying a used car! There are tell tale signs which are more important.

I look at condition & price. Then I estimate cost of getting the car up to my taste. Go or no go will depend on final negotiated price!
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ May 9 2020, 08:01 AM)
I've gotten the fake auction sheets from local recond dealer and the genuine one from Carvx laugh.gif

So no, I've seen auction sheets before.

But sure, do compile then and enlighten me biggrin.gif
You would be surprise on some of the cases laugh.gif
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all the more need to stick with new tongue.gif
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post May 9 2020, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(ckk125 @ May 9 2020, 07:57 PM)
all the more need to stick with new tongue.gif
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If you can afford it, by all means thumbup.gif

No denying you would have the least risk having new, albeit you pay the premium of a new vehicle.

Case in point:
80-150k for a used/recon GT86
vs 300k for brand new today.

Would it make sense to play 2 to 3 times for almost the same thing?
(This is why the used/recond market thrives)
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post May 10 2020, 04:27 PM

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I'm in a similar boat as you, I'm looking at an almost 10 year old A6 3.0T, considering that dealer lists it at 125k km, i'd can only imagine how much the original mileage is before 2 times rollback (im assuming once when the car was first brought into malaysia, then another time when the car was traded in).


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post May 10 2020, 05:21 PM

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buy full report from scruit cost rm50.
check the car condition , car seat , steering wheel surface .
original japan tyres condition vs termometer .
reliable dealer also important .
i recommend NAZA,
i went to see their cars in showcase , the cars were before touch up.


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to TS chongmelvin2238 & Quazacolt
now i cannot speak for those website like scrut or others because i never used them before and i don't know what are they providing to their customer

but this is how a real japanese auction sheet looks like and what any car dealer or website like scrut should give to their customer

it contains "what is it previously used for", "mileage", "the place it registered at", "the evaluation of the interior and exterior" and "the total mark the examiner give", "the damages the car has suffered(on the day it was examined", "the dents that on the body of the car" and "the aftermarket modification that has been done to the car"

the column that indicate "what is it previously used for", most of the time it will say personal used(as u can see in the pic) but at other times
u can also see it will write things such as taxi, used to ferry animals aka pet shop, used to ferry OKU around, care center..etc

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QUOTE(danielisme @ May 10 2020, 05:21 PM)
buy full report from scruit cost rm50.
check the car condition , car seat , steering wheel surface .
original japan tyres condition vs  termometer .
reliable dealer also important .
i recommend NAZA,
i went to see their cars in showcase , the cars were before touch up.
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u went to any recond car dealer, the condition u see will always be "after touch up"
they will never let u see the "before touch up" because you're not gonna buy it laugh.gif

the tyres, most of the time will not be in stock tyre already...you can only make sure all tyres are the same brand & same series(sometime it won't laugh.gif ), good amount of thread
make sure it's not snow tyres
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post May 11 2020, 03:04 AM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ May 10 2020, 05:27 PM)
to TS chongmelvin2238 & Quazacolt
now i cannot speak for those website like scrut or others because i never used them before and i don't know what are they providing to their customer

but this is how a real japanese auction sheet looks like and what any car dealer or website like scrut should give to their customer

it contains "what is it previously used for", "mileage", "the place it registered at", "the evaluation of the interior and exterior" and "the total mark the examiner give", "the damages the car has suffered(on the day it was examined", "the dents that on the body of the car" and "the aftermarket modification that has been done to the car"

the column that indicate "what is it previously used for", most of the time it will say personal used(as u can see in the pic) but at other times
u can also see it will write things such as taxi, used to ferry animals aka pet shop, used to ferry OKU around, care center..etc

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Bro that box so small you think can write ferry pets or OKU ke?
From what I read on your sample, is only private/personal usage (mine same anyways and yes I can read some Japanese)

At least I've never ever seen a sheet saying "hard driven, circuit/Touge/Wangan usage" laugh.gif

And all those sheets are handwritten, what makes you think they cannot be forged or have misinformation? Not all auction places are fully run by Japanese also lol.

Attached is my examples on MILT database and my auction sheets.
The auction sheet the dealer given me was 4.5 grade lol
Can't provide that sample as he only shown me in person and not from WhatsApp picture or soft copy.

My previous point in my previous post still stands, and no I'm not saying scrut is useless and I'm not bias against scrut or in favor to Carvx (I don't gain any commission or anything from them lol)
Scrut is cheap so long it can provide the information you're seeking and assuming there is no issue with the auction sheet and you're satisfied with just that.

Other service like carvx/Autopatrul goes beyond with the database that also includes accident/insurance claim records.
That is very valuable beyond an auction sheet and I don't think I need to explain why.
My car was never involved in accident however a member car has and auction sheets can't tell anything as repair was done.
On Carvx the car was badly damaged and pictures was even included about the accident that auction sheet did not show.


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This one no auction sheet will include
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