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 Lower OPR doesn't mean cheaper financing for all, especially for new applicants

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post May 25 2020, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(viktorherald @ May 25 2020, 10:26 AM)
In a super simplified way in a restaurant setting

OPR (not always exactly take the value, some banks may differ like xx bps lower etc..) = Basic food ingredient cost
BLR = Utilities cost, labour cost, etc (OPR (from above) + whatever cost incurred extra to process the loan)

+ xx% = markup for the food (this will be  vary based on your financial & Credit situation, are you a risky loan etc wadnot)

thats my understanding, at least

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On your next point, because monthly installment is calculated based on current BLR + %% rate
so if OPR increase next time (means BLR Increase), meaning that whatever you pay now (supposedly unchanged) is paying more to interest portion and less to principal

meaning that in future your installment amount may get adjusted (but i think nor for much, not sure the calculation, maybe will be extra 50-100 depending on loan amount?)
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good analogy, but the point is that I want to highlight is to be aware of the calculation for the effective rate, and the mechanism in which banks operate (to protect their interests by maximizing profits)

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post May 25 2020, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(viktorherald @ May 25 2020, 10:26 AM)
In a super simplified way in a restaurant setting

OPR (not always exactly take the value, some banks may differ like xx bps lower etc..) = Basic food ingredient cost
BLR = Utilities cost, labour cost, etc (OPR (from above) + whatever cost incurred extra to process the loan)

+ xx% = markup for the food (this will be  vary based on your financial & Credit situation, are you a risky loan etc wadnot)

thats my understanding, at least

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On your next point, because monthly installment is calculated based on current BLR + %% rate
so if OPR increase next time (means BLR Increase), meaning that whatever you pay now (supposedly unchanged) is paying more to interest portion and less to principal

meaning that in future your installment amount may get adjusted (but i think nor for much, not sure the calculation, maybe will be extra 50-100 depending on loan amount?)
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hmm seems this is a tough one... cry.gif

so there is no formula or something we can refer to predict how much the interest will increase once OPR back to normal?

can i say current time being is not a good time to buy property at all since the interest is unpredictable
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post May 26 2020, 09:24 AM

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QUOTE(daimon @ May 25 2020, 10:48 AM)
hmm seems this is a tough one... cry.gif

so there is no formula or something we can refer to predict how much the interest will increase once OPR back to normal?

can i say current time being is not a good time to buy property at all since the interest is unpredictable
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You can use the PMT formula in excel to get a rough estimate, can google for how to fill in values, play around with the int rate after bank offer u a loan (plz take note always use outstanding amt)

Depends on what u have actually.

Can u afford one now? Is your income stream and savings strong enough to support it? If you buy it now, does it achieve towards your goals?

Now is buyers market that maybe able to get some good offers. But we are not you, we can't decide for you it is a good time, decision or not. Take your time to consider if needed.

Cheers!

This post has been edited by viktorherald: May 26 2020, 09:26 AM
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post May 26 2020, 10:14 AM

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Well this doesn’t apply for Hire Purchase - auto loan though

So it’s always better to get car during lower interest period than higher times
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post May 26 2020, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(daimon @ May 25 2020, 10:48 AM)
hmm seems this is a tough one... cry.gif

so there is no formula or something we can refer to predict how much the interest will increase once OPR back to normal?

can i say current time being is not a good time to buy property at all since the interest is unpredictable
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may i suggest - the highest we had was 3.25% (which is +1.25% from current)... so whatever approved you had now + 1.25% will be (maybe) the highest you might be paying. if BNM + more %, then the higher you pay lo.

Loan Amount: 500k
Tenure: 35y

If bank offer 3.2% now ā‰ˆ RM1981 per month
If BNM increase back to the historically highest 4.45% (3.2%+1.25%) ā‰ˆ RM2350 per month
So when the bank increase +1.25% that time, you need to pay RM369

On interest calculation is abit difficult to determine because if based on your outstanding amount unless you lay down the excel sheet for the above scenarios.
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post May 26 2020, 04:56 PM

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The mortgage rate that you get for a new mortgage is a function of demand and supply, just like any typical goods and services. Should there be more demand for mortgages than the banks are willing to offer, then the banks can raise prices (in this case, interest rate is the price of the loan). On the other hand, if there are banks who are desperate to grow and competition is stiff, they may undercut their peers by lowering the mortgage rate charged. The OPR is simply the cost for the bank, which sets a baseline for the interest rate. It is up to market forces to determine how much markup that banks charge. Complaining to a bank that your friend got a better rate last year is no different from complaining to a petrol station that your neighbour got to pump petrol for 10 cents cheaper two week ago.
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post May 27 2020, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(diners @ May 26 2020, 11:32 AM)
may i suggest - the highest we had was 3.25% (which is +1.25% from current)... so whatever approved you had now + 1.25% will be (maybe) the highest you might be paying. if BNM + more %, then the higher you pay lo.

Loan Amount: 500k
Tenure: 35y

If bank offer 3.2% now ā‰ˆ RM1981 per month
If BNM increase back to the historically highest 4.45% (3.2%+1.25%) ā‰ˆ RM2350 per month
So when the bank increase +1.25% that time, you need to pay RM369

On interest calculation is abit difficult to determine because if based on your outstanding amount unless you lay down the excel sheet for the above scenarios.
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thanks alot!

this is more easier to understand for me, hahaha...thats alot sad.gif

why la bank earn so muchhhh
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post May 27 2020, 01:00 AM

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QUOTE(daimon @ May 27 2020, 12:43 AM)
thanks alot!

this is more easier to understand for me, hahaha...thats alot sad.gif

why la bank earn so muchhhh
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Its a profit making entity after all
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post May 27 2020, 10:24 AM

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How to nego for a good rate now if refinance?
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post May 27 2020, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(MNet @ May 27 2020, 10:24 AM)
How to nego for a good rate now if refinance?
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You cant

You can only apply, get offered a rate, appeal for better rates. I would do it for my clients but the banks still hold power over you

Dont like the offered rate? Take a hike
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post May 27 2020, 10:36 AM

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OPR reduction is meant to encourage cash relocation/movement to investment assets; helping existing borrowers is secondary.

no country could afford bank to fail and borrower's bankruptcy is collateral damage; hence, bank's interest is always a priority not borrowers.

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post May 27 2020, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(diners @ May 26 2020, 11:32 AM)
may i suggest - the highest we had was 3.25% (which is +1.25% from current)... so whatever approved you had now + 1.25% will be (maybe) the highest you might be paying. if BNM + more %, then the higher you pay lo.

Loan Amount: 500k
Tenure: 35y

If bank offer 3.2% now ā‰ˆ RM1981 per month
If BNM increase back to the historically highest 4.45% (3.2%+1.25%) ā‰ˆ RM2350 per month
So when the bank increase +1.25% that time, you need to pay RM369

On interest calculation is abit difficult to determine because if based on your outstanding amount unless you lay down the excel sheet for the above scenarios.
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Hmmm, can i say if i want to apply bank loan for now, it is better to choose a bank that offer lowest interest? So in future, if adding 1.25% wont be so much? confused.gif

But I think there is not certainty right? hmmm console.gif
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post May 27 2020, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(daimon @ May 27 2020, 01:33 PM)
Hmmm, can i say if i want to apply bank loan for now, it is better to choose a bank that offer lowest interest? So in future, if adding 1.25% wont be so much?  confused.gif

But I think there is not certainty right? hmmm  console.gif
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Of course, that goes without saying. Although there are no guarantees that the bank that you would be signing up with would change their rate according to the OPR. As you should know by now, the banks do not have to exactly follow changes to the OPR
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post May 27 2020, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(daimon @ May 27 2020, 01:33 PM)
Hmmm, can i say if i want to apply bank loan for now, it is better to choose a bank that offer lowest interest? So in future, if adding 1.25% wont be so much?  :confused:

But I think there is not certainty right? hmmm  console.gif
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Yes of course the lower the better but so far I’ve seen lowest is 3.2% now.

Last time when I sign, so happened OPR -0.25%. So the rate they offer was from 4.40% to 4.15%. They say la, they say ah, don’t quote me, although the BR drop they will increase the spread rate to maintain around 4.30%~4.40%, just to jaga the bank’s profit.

Example,
Before -0.25%, bank offer = 3.77% BR + 0.63% SR = 4.40%
After -0.25%, bank offer = 3.52% BR + 0.63% SR = 4.15%
The following week, bank maintain back = 3.52% + 0.88% SR = 4.40%

Something like that (that’s what the banker tell me lahh)
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post May 27 2020, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(diners @ May 27 2020, 05:54 PM)
Yes of course the lower the better but so far I’ve seen lowest is 3.2% now.

Last time when I sign, so happened OPR -0.25%. So the rate they offer was from 4.40% to 4.15%. They say la, they say ah, don’t quote me, although the BR drop they will increase the spread rate to maintain around 4.30%~4.40%, just to jaga the bank’s profit.

Example,
Before -0.25%, bank offer = 3.77% BR + 0.63% SR = 4.40%
After -0.25%, bank offer = 3.52% BR + 0.63% SR = 4.15%
The following week, bank maintain back = 3.52% + 0.88% SR = 4.40%

Something like that (that’s what the banker tell me lahh)
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so that mean no matter how the bank will increase back to their normal interest rate but capped right?
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post May 28 2020, 12:55 AM

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QUOTE(daimon @ May 27 2020, 08:36 PM)
so that mean no matter how the bank will increase back to their normal interest rate but capped right?
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To understand simpler, bank will anyhow adjust the rates to take care of their profits.

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