Apple today announced a new 13-inch MacBook Pro with a more reliable Magic Keyboard, faster 10th-generation Intel processor options, up to 80 percent faster graphics performance, up to 32GB of RAM and 4TB of SSD storage, and more.





This post has been edited by westlife: Oct 19 2021, 11:10 PM

This post has been edited by westlife: May 5 2020, 11:25 PM

Do note that based on the specs sheet, it shows that you need the 4 thunderbolt port version to get 10th gen processors.

2 thunderbolt port, you are not able to upgrade to 10th gen processors.

make sense for higher end models to get the better processors.

pricing is very decent. they actually down the price. meaning same storage now at cheaper price.

looks like that 14-inch version is not happening.

This post has been edited by westlife: May 4 2020, 09:08 PM

Some comparison

Old 2 port base model:
- 1.4 8th gen (Iris 645)
- 8GB 2133Mhz LPDDR3
- 128GB
- RM5499

Old 2 port upgraded model:
- 1.4 8th gen (Iris 645)
- 8GB 2133Mhz LPDDR3
- 256GB
- RM6299

Old 4 port base model:
- 2.4 8th gen (Iris 655)
- 8GB 2133Mhz LPDDR3
- 256GB
- RM7849

Old 4 port upgraded model:
- 2.4 8th gen (Iris 655)
- 8GB 2133Mhz LPDDR3
- 512GB
- RM8699


(Only mentioning difference from previous)
New 2 port base model:
- 256GB
- Magic Keybaord
- RM5599 (+100 from old model)

New 2 port upgraded model:
- 512GB
- Magic Keyboard
- RM6399 (+100 from old model)

New 4 port base model:
- 2.0 10th gen (Iris Plus)
- 16GB 3733Mhz LPDDR4X
- 512 GB
- Magic Keyboard
- RM7999 (+150 from old model)

New 4 port upgraded model:
- 2.0 10th gen (Iris Plus)
- 16GB 3733Mhz LPDDR4X
- 1TB
- Magic Keyboard
- RM8799 (+100 from old model)

This post has been edited by PoisonSoul: May 4 2020, 09:21 PM

nice summary/

yeah. now with the same price, can get a better storage model.

the 512gb base model is actually very good.

this is the model i will get. good enough for daily use with decent amount of storage.

good thing is all are quad-core models. it should perform decently.

This post has been edited by westlife: May 4 2020, 09:14 PM

Nice! Thanks for sharing!

Wait for 1st wave and youtubers to do all sorts of benchmarks and daily stress test.

and also wait for someone to open the back plate to look at the internals especially the heat pipes. Hope they keep Pro line's heat pipe design.

New 4 port upgraded model:
- 2.0 10th gen (Iris Plus)
- 16GB 3733Mhz LPDDR4X
- 512 GB
- Magic Keyboard
- RM7999 (+150 from old model)

actually this model is also very attractive.

16gb ram instead of previous 8GB and 512gb instead of previous 256gb if i remember correctly.

I'm waiting for Apple to release the ARM version of MacBook

Surprisingly Singapore is not included in the first wave for this MBP.

True. Maybe they have shortage in supply? However, it should be certain that it will be available in lion city faster than bolehland still.

This will be an exciting one too.

Can't wait to see how Apple manages to optimize ARM with their own OS.

Can’t wait to say goodbye to frying pan

Noo, I probably can't install bootcamp and play PC games. Having a Macbook with Mac OS alongside Windows for gaming with external GPU is amazing, and I couldn't imagine having an ARM version that would be suck.

The MacBook life and heat management should be instant. Looking how powerful the chip of iPhones and iPad Pros with fabless design.

Windows can actually run on ARM based machines.

I know this is controversial, but I’m just gonna say it. People who are looking to buy the base model MBP at RM5599, you should consider the i5/512gb MBA instead at the same price.

You get double the storage, faster RAM, better GPU (even the i3 MBA can support Apple’s fancy Pro Display XDR with native 6K resolution but the base model MBP can’t).

Where the base model MBP edges over the MBA is better multicore performance, and better thermal design. I don’t think in day to day regular usage, that would make a tremendous difference, but the storage and RAM are something even average users will appreciate.

To be honest, I’m not sure where Apple is going with these 15W 13-inch MBPs. When they were first launched in 2017 without the touchbar, they were pitched as the replacement for the MBA. But then after Apple revived the MBA, they are just like an awkward middle child. Neither here nor there.

Apple should ditch this base model and focus on making MBA the best laptop for average users (just like back in the good old days), and leave the MBP for high end users.

Depending on individual preference seriously. Personally I will go MacBook Pro anytime due to its design.

MacBook Pro has better display and speakers over air.
It has brighter display and better thermal design for heavier tasks too.

One can consider the 4 ports 512GB 16GB ram model. That’s the model that is best value for money actually.

Personally if u ask me, I would prefer Apple to keep the Previous12-inch model for Super compact design, come out a bigger14-inch model to join in the current 16-inch family.

That’s should be the perfect line-up for macbook.

Personally I find the MacBook Air is ok a more awkward position which it is not as compact as the 12-inch but it is using a lower powered processor.

Obviously Apple purposely did not use the latest 10th processors ok the base mode MacBook Pro becos it will kill the MacBook Air line-up becos the price gap is very very minor. At the same time it is also to push people to go for the 4 ports modes which is more value for money for what is getting.

This post has been edited by westlife: May 5 2020, 12:47 AM

Of course it can like surface pro x but that is not the issue, I'm talking about playing PC games which are mostly run only on x86 architecture and not ARM.

OK I really should be sleeping, but I love this kind of in-depth discussions, so...

I wasn’t comparing MBP to MBA in general. I am specifically comparing at RM5599, which is a better buy? The i5/256 MBP or the i5/512 MBA? If you have to choose between this two, which would you pick? I remember your previous posts where you always recommend going for 512GB. Storage space is something tangible and relevant to everyone, and while the things you mention about the MBP superior over MBA are all valid, are average users going to notice their laptop only has 400 nits brightness instead of 500 nits? Will they notice the missing P3 wide gamut colors on their laptop? Thermal design yes MBP is better, which I will get to it below.

Yes I agree. If you know you need something powerful, skip the low end and go for the RM7999 model. That is a computer worthy of a MacBook Pro title in 2020.

I agree with you too. I’m pretty sure that when Apple launched the 12 inch MacBook, this was their plan too. A 12-14-16 inch laptop family. It may still happen when Apple switch over to ARM in the near future.

But there is a reason why Apple discontinued the 12 inch MacBook. Well obviously they didn’t sell well. But why?
1. Apple cannot bring down the price to $999.
2. It is not a MacBook Air.

You cannot underestimate the branding effect of the MacBook Air. It is THE laptop for many, many people worldwide, to the point that people who don’t care about specs (which is to say the majority population) would just go to computer stores and ask for a MacBook Air, regardless of how outdated it is, or whether there are better options available.

Which brings me to your last point, which —

I do not agree. Do you really believe that Apple purposely stick with 8th gen chips for the base MBP so that it won’t kill the MBA? This makes no sense. In fact Apple tried their best to kill off the MBA a few years ago, by first launching the 12 inch MacBook, and then announced the 13 inch nTB MBP as a replacement to the MBA. But they failed (see reason above), so they are forced to bring back the MBA.

It is actually the other way round. Apple is purposely limiting the performance of the MBA by not connecting the heat sink to the fan in the MBA, so people who require sustained performance have no choice but to go for the MBP.

Wow this is getting long. I may regret writing all this shit in the morning.

TLDR version: If you want a 2020 MacBook Pro, skip the low end and go for the RM7999 model. If you only want to spend RM5k+ do consider the MacBook Air as well. Sekian.

at that price its like Apple wants me to buy dell xps or lenovo thinkpad instead.

To save a bit, just upgrade ram to 16gb for mbp baseline, i think enough already. I think ram is more important than processor now. While for ssd, 256gb is ok, a lot of portable ssd now.

The price only usd1399

Disappointing. Was hoping for a redesign this year.

The redesign won't happen in a few more years to come. However, the 14 inch might still be a possibility for this year - most likely alongside the 16inch refresh, all speculations.

Agreed.

The MBA has better RAM than the base MBP It doesn't make sense for a 'Pro' laptop to get lower specifications than a 'lower tier' range. Apple screwed up on this part really. Despite the MBA having a low-powered CPU, its good enough for most casual users and being more portable than the base Pro is seriously a good consideration point for any casual users.



This post has been edited by andrewtho: May 5 2020, 09:13 AM

Very disappointing to learn that it’d cost almost a 16 inch MBP territory to get the 10th gen version.

I’m glad I did not wait

by then then worry about this I guess? Haha.

All the way the high end MacBook Pro 13-inch costs as much as a base mode 15-inch/16-inch MacBook Pro. In terms of price versus value, 16-inch is a better buy. However, it is glad that now the base high end 13-inch is getting a lot cheaper with double storage and double ram, considered more ‘buyable’ now. Ultimately 13-inch MacBook Pro selling point is its portability.

Still waiting for more update/refresh - now we seen 16inch, 13inch, I'll aim at iMac refresh later soon.

As I'm using 13inch now, I will aim bigger screen for my next.

I used the macbook 12-inch previously and I had tried both 2015 and 2016 models before i switched to 2017 Macbook Pro.

Reasons
1) The display is a too small for me. But the size is perfect for on the go especially its weight.
2) single port -> it makes it inconvenient even one can use a adapter
3) processing power is too weak. even it can turbo boost, but it makes it hard to be used for heavy duty tasks.

therefore i eventually switched to macbook pro.

However, i always find that the macbook 12-inch is a best secondary laptop due to its weight especially for one to go overseas.

therefore, i would love apple to keep the option of 12-inch available as an alternative always.
so that we have the line-up of
12-inch (super portable but low power)
13-inch/14-inch (portable and balanced in terms of power)
16-inch/ (not portable but very powerful)

becos seriously no reasons to have both 13-inch macbook air and pro exist at the same time. Price wise seriously not big gap among them too.

one main reason it does not sell well is also the price point of it almost the same price as a macbook pro for the same storage option, not even a small gap like macbook air and macbook pro. Even for weight, Macbook Air is lighter but it is not significantly lighter like 12-inch macbook vs 13-inch macbook pro.

Back to ur question: i5/256 MBP or the i5/512 MBA?
personal option: i5/512MBP (RM 6,399.00) instead of i5/512 MBA (RM 5,599.00)

like i always suggest, 512gb is a min storage option for a macbook that i will only consider for not limiting the capability of it.

I would rather spend more (rm800) to get the macbook pro despite its 8th gen processor due to
1) personal preference, I prefer the total squarish design of macbook pro over macbook air the edge design.
2) thermal design -> both quad core processors but macbook pro should still sustain better for heavy duty tasks.
Turbo Boost up to 4.5GHz for macbook pro base model vs Turbo Boost up to 3.8GHz for macbook air.
3) higher brightness (extra 100 nits can make a difference especially in a bright environment), if you test this out in store, can tell the difference too
4) P3 colour gamut (may not be able to tell the difference with eyes but something good to have)
5) touch bar -> looks nicer although it does not have signicant advantage but personally i prefer touchbar than physical buttons.
6) better speakers.

Being said that, the above are purely based on my choice within two options that are of not too much price gap.

Personally i will go for the 4 ports 512GB 16GB option becos it is about sgd4xx cheaper now for the same option available for 2019 MBP even with better processor and graphic now.

To be frank, all the while macbook air I never considered previously before while i was considering the 12-inch macbook or 13-inch macbook pro due to its non-retina display. it is a huge difference.

With the redesign of macbook air, I also did not consider becos of the above differences i stated for not so significant price gap.

however, i agree that most people should be fine with the macbook air if they are not doing heavy duty tasks.

purely just my personal preference over the macbook pro. i prefer the branding of 'Pro' more seriously. haha.

seriously, to me, i would prefer apple to just lower down the price of 12-inch macbook to make it a cheapest option for people to not requiring high processing power to go with this option.

the perfect line-up in my opinion should be
12-inch macbook - starting RM 4,399.00 for 256gb and 8gb ram
13-inch base macbook pro - starting RM 5,599.00 for 256gb and 8gb ram
13-inch higher end macbook pro - starting RM 7,999.00 for 512gb and 16gb ram with 4 ports
16-inch macbook pro - starting RM 10,499.00 for 512gb and 16gb ram

last time the higher end macbook pro with 512gb storage and 16gb ram is almost same price as 15-inch 512gb storage and 16gb ram.
at least now it makes more sense for peple to go for the rm7,999 higher end 13-inch macbook pro.

you are rite, my choice is actualy the rm7,999.00 512gb 16gb ram macbook pro due to its significant reduced in price.

This post has been edited by westlife: May 5 2020, 10:55 AM

yeah. iMac should be refreshed soon.

13-inch macbook pro for on the go + 27-inch iMac for home usage should be the most ideal combination.

however, the iMac should be redesigned and not only refreshed. The super thick bezels design are really outdated at this age i must say.

it is the design that stops me from buying it seriously.

however, if iMac follows the same marketing like MacBook which it has double storage or double ram at the same price. It will make it really attractive.

13-inch higher end macbook pro - starting RM 7,999.00 for 512gb and 16gb ram with 4 ports
16-inch macbook pro - starting RM 10,499.00 for 512gb and 16gb ram

not really now same storage and same ram options, there is a price gap of rm2500. so one can save rm2500 for portablity by not having the much better processor and dedicated graphic. it is not too bad compare to previous.

This post has been edited by westlife: May 5 2020, 10:53 AM

I noticed you like to talk about the 12-inch Macbook since forever, same across all other threads.

The 12 inch is dead, it's an obsolete product and the MBA has taken it's throne. Its time to move on

It is not dead. I can foresee that it is coming back if apple is switching to ARM which has been heavily rumoured.

12-inch - 14-inch - 16-inch should the ultimate line-ups.

ARM based MacBooks can easily tap on fanless design. The 12-inch macbook matches this exactly.

Yes and the fact that most of us will not be fully utilising the cores make this a much more desirable purchase however with the MBA getting the tenth gen, the best comparison is the i5 model and the base model of this MacBook Pro

I’d go with the MBA for the portability and the bigger HDD space, that said I can see the case where people might flock towards the MacBook Pro

wanted to post in MBA thread, but I think I've made my decision so just asking here to see what's the feedback :

MBA RM7559


vs

MBP 13" RM7549


Configurator for the new MBP 13" isn't clickable yet ? so couldn't play around

This machine is for the wife to replace a 2014 MBA. No heavy processing, just spreadsheets, typing, browsing and video watching. So seems like MBA is the clearly the better device/value for this usage ?

seriously, ur considering options are weird.

u are comparing a macbook air with super high storage (therefore very costly) which normally no one will even consider to a higher-end 13-inch MBP.

given ur usage, you should consider:

512GB/i5 MBA vs 512GB/i5 base 13-inch MBP instead.

depending on ur preference.

the base-13-inch MBP although is using old 8th gen processor, it should still be able to perform more heavier tasks than the MBA.

if you intend to use the macbook for longer duration, MBP is actually a winner. If you just plan to use it for a short term, then MBA will be ok for you too.

This post has been edited by westlife: May 5 2020, 12:13 PM

one thing interesting to note is that the base 13-inch macbook pro with 8th processor and slower ram than MBA is having a cheaper upgrade (50% lesser) to 16GB.

Now I'm torn between MBA top specs (+16gb ram) or MBP RM7999. The only cons of MBA are thermal throttling, screen and speaker.

if u want high performance, no point to go for MBA high spec. Even you get the base model MBP, it should perform better.

Have been using my MBA13 since 2015.. really tempting to upgrade ...

should be a good upgrade for you.

especially 2015 MBA does not have retina display.

Ahh but you missed my point. Of course if you are willing to spend more you get a better machine. I never said that the MBA is better. Just that at the same price point (RM5599), the MBA is better value for money for most people. Even you, as you mentioned above, because if you don’t have enough storage space in the first place, who cares about better screen or better speakers?

That was more or less Apple’s laptop line-up back in 2017. If Apple could bring down the price of 12-inch MacBook to $999, they definitely would have done that. But they can’t, so they revived the MBA to eventually replace the ancient MBA at $999.

Our differences in opinion basically goes down to I believe Apple shouldn’t remain the base MBP in the line-up and just stick to high ends 13-inch and 16-inch MBPs, while you believe the MBA should be scrapped. Well there is no right and wrong.

Let’s see what’s next for Apple with A-series Macs. It would be a whole new discussion then. 12.9 inch iPad Pro or 13/14 inch MacBook Pro running A-series chip?

You mentioned you already made your decision, so which is it?
For your wife’s usage as you mentioned, the MBA should be sufficient, but if you are willing to spend over 7k, nothing wrong getting the MBP I guess.
Or, alternatively, save the RM2400 upgrade from 512GB to 2TB for the MBA and use the money to buy an iPad Air as a supplementary device.

as mentioned, it is my personal option to go for i5/512MBP (RM 6,399.00) instead of i5/512 MBA (RM 5,599.00).

if budget is a concern and one does not need to perform heavy duty tasks, then MBA is a good choice.

However, one reason i personally prefer to go for MBP is becos of the processing power.
same storage same ram the MBA is cheaper. however, given the MBP's higher processing power, one is likely to be able to use it longer too. This should be something to consider too.

there are already ongoing rumours that apple will come out 12-inch, 14-inch and 16-inch ARM based macbooks, which I believe it will happen. what are happening could be just a transition. i still believe that those are the actual line-ups that apple will serve for the plate.

Same dilemma here. But I might get the MBP instead for long term use. The MBA thermal design is so risky.

If you're spending more than RM6K, i'd go with the macbook pro.

If you're spending RM4K-RM5K, i'd consider the macbook air. Macbook air is mainly for the price conscious at this point.

Just looking at the base config of macbook air 2020 vs macbook pro 2020, macbook air 2020 seems like a better buy. 10th gen processor, lddr4x ram, better battery, cheaper price.

saw your post over in MBA thread as well, and yes MBA is the front runner currently.

what's better in the latest MBP over MBA ? From your last sentence you've pointed out MBA is better over the the 2 cheaper options of MBP13.

At the moment you cannot configure and see the price yet, but if i had budget of RM6K, i would definitely go for macbook pro with 16GB RAM.

https://www.apple.com/my/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/13-inch

You get a laptop with better thermals, larger trackpad, better screen (nits), and also comes with Touch Bar (macbook air does not have touch bar).

However, if you are price conscious, only willing to spend around RM4K, macbook air is the obvious choice.

so RM6000 above = go for macbook pro
below RM6000, just go for macbook air

The main takeaway here is this, if you can spend above RM6000/RM7000, macbook pro is the undeniable choice mainly for the performance it offers.

You can refer below how even the older 2019 macbook pro beats the macbook air 2020, because of better thermals. (watch at 11 min onwards where he discuss cinebench scores)



This post has been edited by kuci_mayong: May 5 2020, 10:45 PM

agreed. the base macbook pro is actually worthy.
there is always no harm to have more power even one does not utilise it now. the extra power can certainly give a longer lifespan of the macbook too.

the upgrade of RAM to 16GB is USD100. So it should at most rm500 to upgrade to 16gb in bolehland.

This post has been edited by westlife: May 5 2020, 10:52 PM

At the end of the day it comes down to this:

Does the mba with 10th gen outperform mbp 8th gen? Answer is no.

One is using intel’s U series and the other is on Y series which is a low powered chip, (hence why mba’s battery is longer than the pro lineup) and thus its performance not as good as the mbp.

The low-powered 10th gen Y series in the new air won’t outperform a high performance 8th gen U series in the mbp.

This is education pricing. Does anyone know how to take advantage of education pricing without actually being a student/lecturer?

yup, this one reviewers had already confirmed before.

MBA is purely suitable for very light tasks.

Thought of buying my wife a MBA2020 i5/512GB but seeing that that thing got thermal throttle issue, perhaps MBP2020 i5/512GB base model would be sufficient?

She’s a lecturer & researcher. Mostly doing office works and runs some research simulations softwares in between. Using Autocad, Matlab, etc too.

So MBP2020 i5/512GB base model quad core 8th gen should do just fine yes?

Autocad and matlab go with MacBook Pro no brainers.

Lion city can order already.

any idea when can we rakyat malaysia be able to order? like usually how long does it take before msia can

btw does the student price need proof of student id or can just sapu apple devices w student price?? cause in UK it needs unidays sign in, but here its just direct show price only

Not sure when can order.
Student price just buy only. So far no proof needed.

cari amoi student or lecturer

RM400 to be exact...

rm400 is dirt cheap. it is even below the exchange rate for USD100. nice deal.

How are you able to go this page? For me it’s grayed out.

i think bolehland will need at least 3 to 4 more weeks before one can make order.

This post has been edited by westlife: May 7 2020, 02:24 AM

How did you manage to enter here?

https://www.apple.com/my/shop/buy-mac/macbo...o-3.9ghz-256gb#

This only DDR3 right? If look at MBA DDR4, price is RM800 to upgrade 8gb to 16gb

Is 16GB RAM good enough on the MBP13 2020 top spec (10th Gen 1TB) to do some photo and video editing besides the normal office production tasks words, ppt and excel?

for light video and photo editing, the top spec 13-inch macbook pro should be able to handle.

if you are into heavy editing, then 16-inch is certainly better.

lol, MacBook 12in also can handle video/photo editing

Am using MBA13 base spec with 8GB RAM (2015) currently. A bit lag while doing some video editing...others seem fine.

Am looking at MBP13 for its small form compared to MBP16. Also, I could reuse the existing MBA13 leather case if I decide to upgrade.

Anyway I could off-load my MBA13 then?

Sorry double post!

This post has been edited by fmpak: May 7 2020, 03:03 PM

I can buy Apple's products/apps with education pricing even when I'm not a student anymore. As long as you still have your University/College's ID and email, you will be able to register for education pricing regardless if you're still studying or not.

if u use apple software such as final cut pro x etc, yes. but not adobe one.

macbook does not have so high resell vaslue comparing to iphone becos it is niche especially ur model has no retina display unless you sell it real cheap.

I tried going to SG's website and then changing the /sg to /my and it did not work. How come this works?

I was using Photoshop, Illustrator, and Lightroom. Had to use it on the 12in for 3 months before getting the 16in. It was useable, albeit slower processing.

well the reviews are in

https://youtu.be/Kl0E8p2IBmw

https://youtu.be/vGWd7MEq8-w

Go to US store, add /my from there...

13-Inch MacBook Pro Benchmarks: $1,799 Model Up to 16.5% Faster Than $1,299 Model

https://www.macrumors.com/2020/05/07/10th-g...pro-benchmarks/

How come US's one works but SG one does not?

Is this some high level domain name caching or some sort of stuff peasant like me doesnt understand?

https://sixcolors.com/post/2020/05/13-inch-...ro-2020-review/

I’m glad Jason Snell shares my view that the low end 13-inch MBP needs to be gone.

should get i5 16gb or i7 32gb ?

If you have the budget for i7 32GB, why not go for the 16-inch MBP?

But the low end is meant for budget users that wanted to experience MBP without breaking their wallet.

And that includes me.

you should not upgrade the processor at all no matter which 13-inch macbook pro model you have chosen.

either you go with
base model with 2 ports (optionally upgrade to 16GB ram becos it is quite cheap to do so, only rm400)

or you just go with the 512gb higher end model with 16GB ram.

if you are doing heavy video or photo editing and you really need i7, go with 16-inch macbook pro instead.

below is a good guide on how to choose it.



This post has been edited by westlife: May 8 2020, 10:26 PM