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post May 26 2023, 07:14 PM

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ May 26 2023, 05:03 PM)
That means the rate is not as good then, 2% spread means the conversion rate is effective 4.71 instead of 4.62?
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In fact higher at today counter rates 4.62 vs 4.80 close to 4% πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

So only do it through the RHB App not through bank branch counter
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post May 27 2023, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ May 27 2023, 10:45 AM)
It does not make sense for PIDM to compensate your lost SGD, USD, CHF with MYR.

In a crisis, chances are MYR will depreciate sharply against those currencies, pay you 229,850 MYR now, the next moment, 229,850 may buy much less than 50k USD.

Moreover, in a crisis like a bank run, there will be a huge USD shortage in the market. Buying USD isn't as easy as you may think. smile.gif

In the end, PIDM can always guarantee MYR, because BNM prints MYR. You can never guarantee a currency you don't print. The best PIDM can do is, as you say, pay you "at prevalent rates" the equivalent of your currency foreign currencies in MYR. But it begs to ask who will want MYR at that point? (Banks failing... Economy go south... 1998 Asian Financial Crisis repeats...)

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For some people, it defeats the purpose of placing USD/SGD etc. FD in the first place, should they know they get paid in MYR in the end.

But ok lah, that's just me. If you are happy with PIDM paying your foreign currency FD in MYR in the event of a bank run/crisis, that's perfectly fine. smile.gif
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That is why most ppl blindly taking MCA will gives FX currencies when the fact the underlying current is still RM with PIDM protection πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

I still remember back in 98 when ppl are running around look for physical USD notes back then and as you say it is not easy to buy USD back then whether physical or through bank counters which is why the pegged was introduce to stem the outflow of RM



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post May 28 2023, 03:22 AM

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QUOTE(Mr Gray @ May 27 2023, 11:40 PM)
The chance of a bank run on RHB being backed by its biggest shareholder (EPF) with around RM1 trillion asset? Meh, I feel a lot safer with RHB than Wise.

Despite being a famous company, Wise total equity is just a puny 400 million pound = RM2.27 billion, and total asset of GBP7.5 billion. And it's still just a remittance company, it's not regulated like a normal bank.

Banks have to adhere to much stricter capital adequacy requirements, Basel etc, you won't be seeing a ratio of only 5.3% equity/asset like what Wise balance sheet shows now
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Wise is not a remittance company πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ but a FinTech without banking license unlike SoFi which are FinTech with bank charter in US which they have insurance with FDIC

That is why Wise have only restricted limit that the account can hold in 20K in any jurisdiction that they are being regulated by the local central authority

Banks can go bust as you can see recently in US and CS πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ so don’t think any bank is bullet proof which is why put the max insured in multiple bank accounts to diversify the risks

And don’t think RHB is safe because it is has already bad history and been forced to bailed out by EPF during the late 90s πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ and it will happen if they don’t take appropriate measures on their risks mitigation
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post May 29 2023, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(KyusukeFD3S @ May 29 2023, 08:50 PM)
Hi

For RHB conversion rate, is it this one to look for ?
1 USD = 4.5910 MYR ?

Is RHB conversion rate better than OCBC and maybank ?
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Are deposit or withdrawal? Withdrawal means you are getting more RM for USD hence you look for the highest RM when you withdrawal while lowest when you deposit to get the best bang for your buck

But for sure RHB has better FX rates than Maybank anytime πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ but you also need to look at the fees as they might charge higher fees because that is where they might make the money

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post May 30 2023, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(KyusukeFD3S @ May 30 2023, 01:24 PM)
i am not sure is the ACAT option available for me to choose ...
i am thinking to explore the wire transfer, to put as another broker receiving bank information ...
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Sure failed one πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ because wire transfer has to be the account under your name as the receiving party

RHB FX MCA is only good for receiving with small fee while if you want to transact then you have to be either premier or private banking customers that will have almost low charge for it and preferential FX rate

Which is why not to complicate things πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ I opened a few bank accounts in US as not to complicate things for receiving USD from the broker
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post Jun 1 2023, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(Toku @ Jun 1 2023, 01:03 PM)
Probably still Wise is the better choice. Today rate 4.58 (wise) vs 4.48 (RHB MCA).
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RHB MCA still gives a better rate at 4.5940 as you are looking at the wrong rate which is the counter rate πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ not the special counter rate which gives it at close to market rate minus minimal FX spread at about 0.3%
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post Jun 1 2023, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(Toku @ Jun 1 2023, 02:06 PM)
This is a good rate. How do you check this special counter rate?
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Check at their website and look for special counter rates

QUOTE(leo2010 @ Jun 1 2023, 02:34 PM)
The forex rate at https://www.rhbgroup.com/treasury-rates/mul...card/index.html isn't real time.

You need to hold MCA account with VISA debit card to get this special "Counter" rate. The term "Counter" is somewhat confusing ...

Login to RHB online account/mobile app to initiate a buy/sell transaction (you can cancel transaction half-way through) to see the latest rate, which only get refreshed every few minutes.
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Banks have to set a cut off time to fixed their rate πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ but at least it is close to market rate with those spread

The term counter is correct πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ you only confused yourself because you didn’t pay attention and look at the word Special Counter
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QUOTE(fruitie @ Jun 2 2023, 02:50 PM)
Hi all, I have some Baht transferred to my Wise account. Since I go to Bangkok quite often, like once every month, how can I use the fund in the account? Can I use it with the Wise card? Can I withdraw it from a Thai ATM? I have no idea. laugh.gif

I hardly use my Wise account, but I was helping to collect this payment from overseas on behalf of my partner. Now I'm figuring out what to do with the money besides transferring it to my partner's bank account later, which will incur transfer charges.

I have not used the card before since I got the card last year's Jan. I hope it is not blocked. laugh.gif I still can see it in my app though.
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Yes you can use either the card at terminal and withdraw from the atm and the atm charges at Thai banks is around 300baht and limit up to 25k baht withdrawal limit

https://wise.com/gb/blog/atms-in-thailand
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post Jun 4 2023, 07:20 PM

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QUOTE(bowranger @ Jun 4 2023, 03:00 PM)
If withdraw money oversea , is it still same no fee charged by wise for first 2 withdrawal less than RM 1000?
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Check the fee here πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

https://wise.com/help/articles/2935769/how-...z9ONNzQMeqJpcVi
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post Jun 4 2023, 10:19 PM

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QUOTE(bowranger @ Jun 4 2023, 09:13 PM)
It only listed few countries... How about countries not listed ?
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Read properly there is a live pricing table in the page itself πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ
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QUOTE(elea88 @ Jun 6 2023, 03:25 PM)
anyone tried using SAMSUNG PAY with wise.

mine says incompatible.
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What is the error message? πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ if it is incompatible it might the device is not supported or Wise for Samsung Pay is not available yet in the country you try to pay
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post Jun 6 2023, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Jun 6 2023, 10:12 PM)
i got answer from wise:

Thanks for getting in touch, and sorry about the trouble you're having here.
Unfortunately, we do not support Samsung Pay in Malaysia - at the moment.
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But if you use Wise in UK with Samsung Pay no problems so just wait because it is likely due to pending BNM approval πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ
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post Jun 7 2023, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Jun 6 2023, 11:19 PM)
oh u mean i can add wise to samsung pay when i am in UK?
i actually intend to use wise  in Netherland & UK

coz i google most places is contactless.
whereas i tested my WISE in Singapore most outlets i have to key in pin!!!!
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Read here for details

https://wise.com/help/articles/2977966/how-...ith-samsung-pay

Contactless via card hit and miss because some reported it is working now without pin so i guess you are unlucky one

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post Jun 8 2023, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(Steve78 @ Jun 8 2023, 04:46 PM)
Contrary to what you said, I often find that Mid Valley offers better rates than Wise. It's crucial to consider all the fees associated with Wise when making a comparison.
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Yes but at the expense of your time πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ while queuing up for it

The difference is only less than rm10 per USD1k which makes it not worth of your time just for it
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post Jun 9 2023, 04:02 AM

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QUOTE(Steve78 @ Jun 8 2023, 06:23 PM)
Well, it rests on one's own judgment. You can't simply manipulate the facts due to your personal opinion.

For those who frequently visit Mid Valley for various reasons, choosing the Mid Valley is a convenient course of action.
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The time spent and loss in just the queue is not worth it as it takes at least half an hour πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ just to save tiny little bit of money πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ
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QUOTE(blingless @ Jun 9 2023, 05:30 PM)
For context, I believe he only thinks this way now because he's retired.
But is retired now because he used his time wisely prior to retirement.

Saving time/making money is no longer a priority for him but killing time definitely is lol.
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Since he got the time he should learned up about the market and spot the next oppurtunity πŸ‘
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QUOTE(miong93 @ Jun 11 2023, 10:44 PM)
Hello sifu,

Wise no longer give the competitive rate right?
Just now I went to some random money exchange in Sunway pyramid, the rates are 1000 won = 3.58 MYR

However when using wise to transfer money to KRW account in wise, the rate is 1000 won = 3.61 MYR (3.58 rate, 0.03 fee)

So seems like its better off to exchange from physical store now ?
Or did I do something wrong?
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Wise only gives competitive rates to G7 currencies hence why currencies like Korean Won, Thai Baht and other minor currencies will not have favourable rates from it anymore
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QUOTE(miong93 @ Jun 12 2023, 10:29 AM)
Thanks for the info, didnt know about the G7 currencies thing. However the rate for Japan Yen is also similar to Korean won case above tho, but I think like other mention, the rate changes from time to time, so will monitor for longer to see how it goes.

So generally if your usage is just to exchange the foreign currency and spend on oversea, Wise no longer the go to option anymore? Usually what option do people use for this kind of scenario?
Thanks for the info, I used to use Bigpay like 3 or 4 years ago, but ever since didn't touch on it at all, so not sure how it changed. I heard the rate for Bigpay now is no longer competitive as well, will have a look and compare.
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If you wanna compared the rates you should compare those highly traded in the market like EUR and USD as Wise will be definitely be competitive to capture the market due liquidity as it is highly traded in the market

Sometimes the best time to check on the rates is prior to 1st trading week on FX Monday early morning and Monday later in the night when all the world markets have been starting traded and the final hour which Saturday early morning but for such small amount for travelling not worth putting so much effort just to save a couple of bucks πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ you should just a set target amount and check closer to the date on the rates when you want to use it
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QUOTE(miong93 @ Jun 12 2023, 03:06 PM)
ok understood. The amount might be 3/4 figures (maybe small for you) in the end, since there quite a few people who will be traveling together, and for quite long. So was just trying to get the best rate as we can.

Thanks for the help.
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Unless it is billions of wons πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ then it would make a difference but it seems like now with the rate you shown a 1% fee is charged by Wise

If you want to save book accomodation before you leave while small expenses like shopping and some eating use more cash
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QUOTE(SitiNorhaliza1970 @ Jun 21 2023, 10:09 AM)
but some places like China using mostly wallets and very little cash
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Only in cities in tier 1 to 3 only πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ try going inner countryside they still accepting cash

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